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lightofreason said:Line position 3 is 'ruled' by 15 and so the focus on modesty, levelling out etc leading us into being too heavy handed in that act in the context of correcting.
Chris.
dobro said:Is that why you talk about 'heart' in 18.3? Cuz it's ruled by 15?
dobro said:And why would 'levelling out' lead us to be too heavy handing in that act?
See, my Yi talks about 'smallness' of some sort in 18.3. I'm wondering why you're talking about 'heart' instead.
rosada said:18.4
Six in the fourth place means:
Tolerating what has been spoiled by the father.
In continuing one sees humiliation.
This shows a situation of someone too weak to take measures against decay that has its roots in the past and is just beginning to manifest itself. It is allowed to run its course. If this continues, humiliation will result.
rosada said:Nine in the top means:
He does not serve kings and princes,
Sets himself higher goals.
sparhawk said:Reminds me of the metaphor of the "useless tree"; a tree so gnarled and ugly that nobody paid attention to it and thus was allowed to live and grow. The person described in this line, if he was of any apparent value to princes and kings, within the historical context of ancient China, he would serve them or else. By setting himself lofty goals, it shows that he's flying under the radar of the people of power that can use him. Definitely, a very Daoist (and perhaps latter used by the Buddhist ) view of the world: personal cultivation.
dobro said:I don't think so. You're saying that this person appears useless in the eyes of conventional authority, but I don't think 18.6 is talking about that, cuz the Yi always talks about the the knowing and doing of the person asking the question. I'd say 18.6 is more about somebody who simply walks away from conventional, conditioned, social activity, no matter how esteemed that activity is in the minds of most people. He/she walks away cuz he/she's got better fish to fry. And because this is Hex 18 with its focus on dealing with what's rotten, 18.6 implies something less than attractive about the business of 'kings and princes'. 18.6 is about taking the spiritual path.
sparhawk said:Hmmm, was that argument for argument's sake?
dobro said:Here are two different people: one walks away from the dumb social game even though he could shine at it, cuz it's a dumb social game; the other guy doesn't so much walk away from it as he never gets noticed. The first guy's 'walking away' is more significant, and it's the one the Yi is talking about, I think.
I don't think the Yi is talking about the second guy, although I understand what you were saying about the Confucian bureaucracy game. The Yi predates that though, right?
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