New Moon Report

[rosada]

The line up of planets for the April 3 New Moon may be of interest...

Six of the ten planets will be in the sign Aries.

Uranus - the planet of freedom and disruption - has finally left the last degrees of Pisces where it's influence tended to make every plan, every commitment last year end in some way that was totally unanticipated. It has now moved into Aries suggesting it will now be the beginnings of projects that will experience shock and upheaval.

With Uranus having moved into Aries, Mars - the planet of war and aggression - is now the planet of last degree in Pisces (Mars will move into Aries the beginning of April, just before the new moon). This suggests that now until April 2 when Mars moves on, all our various plans and commitments will end on a Mars/angry note. Thus it makes sense that over the last week we have seen various situations come to a conclusion that war is the answer. Unfortunately Mars in Pisces, the sign of no boundaries, reveals the bombing of Libya had no clear purpose and may indeed as Gadfi claims -have ushered in a period of unending war.

However, it doesn't have to be this way.

Mars will move into Aries to join Uranus on April 2. I believe this represents some sort of a personal wake up call for each and every one of us. In general, the voice of the individual has become more powerful in the last year because Uranus, the planet ruling electronics, prominently placed, increased the power of the internet to give each individual a voice. This phenomena will become even more pronounced in the months ahead as the line up of planets validates that each one of us has a unique perspective and all of them are necessary. At first we will see Aries competition to see whose point of view is the "right" one, but ultimately we come to recognize the might makes right approach doesn't work. However, before we come to that general consensus there is bound to be a lot of saber rattling.

The new moon April 3 will occur just after the moon has passed over Mars and Uranus. This tells us that by the time of the new moon we will have each of us in our own personal lives experienced the wake up call I've just mentioned. It may be something that actually happens in the first days of April, or it may be that the new awakening will have been triggered by something that happened years ago. The point is, because the new moon happens right after the Uranus/Mars conjunction it is "coming from" an experience where people felt personally challenged and now are reacting with a sense of, "I'm not going to sit quietly and take it anymore." The question then is, where do we go from here?

Energies activated on the new moon build and come into manifestation on the full moon. By being aware on April 3 of what is going on in your world and intentionally focusing your attention on what you want to see strengthened you are consciously creating. This new moon in Aries is particularly powerful for setting the tone now not just of the coming month but - because Uranus, the planet ruling the individual, is now starting it's next 84 year cycle - it will also start you on the path of where you are going for many many years ahead. It does not have to be on the path of war. Each individual gets to choose. We can choose Peace.

rosada

 

[chingching]

has finally left the last degrees of Pisces where it's influence tended to make every plan, every commitment last year end in some way that was totally unanticipated.

tell me about it. I've been waiting for uranus to leave pisces! However am scared about it too.

Anyway it going to be an interesting april fools day

 

[rosada]

Uranus left Pisces March 11.
7:55 p.m. est.

It didn't go quietly...

 

[Trojina]

tell me about it. I've been waiting for uranus to leave pisces! However am scared about it too.

Anyway it going to be an interesting april fools day

good grief don't get scared. Uranus leaving Pisces is not a sudden event on one day, it has been approaching a very long time, it would have been felt all through the last degrees of Pisces. I suppose its connection with Mars may make things more keenly felt by some if it falls on a sensitive area of their chart...but its nothing to get scared of .

 

[pocossin]

Uranus left Pisces March 11.
It didn't go quietly...

Uranus -- March 11 -- Japan earthquake -- uranium

 

[chingching]

oh rosada I know, I'm an astrologer myself, just a lazy post. I 'had' been waiting ...is what I should have written.

that virgo full moon brought some interesting things!

Uranus -- March 11 -- Japan earthquake -- uranium

also flood in my house from backed up water main in the street. sadly it was quickly forgotten as soon as I heard the news about japan.

rosada things are already shifting for me and my neighbourhood, in a scary way. Sun conjunct uranus in aries 1. pffft. I really hope people do start choosing peace. I have a feeling the stuff that has happened to my neighbourhood will actually band people together which really has been needed for a while.

Anyway I think police everywhere will still have their hands full between now the new moon and the libran full moon (where the argueing nature of aries is reflected in the passive agressive libran way... thats actually more from my own experience than astrological opinion.)

I always prefer to look at what good can be created etc. But i must say I'm uneasy tonight.

 

[chingching]

Trojan,

I'm scared in light of events that have been occuring and I have a feeling the new moon will heighten the energy thats all.

mostly its an aftermath of the full moon, but nothing happening to me directly... which was reflected in the reading I got the other day 51.6!!!!

 

[Trojina]

Uranus -- March 11 -- Japan earthquake -- uranium

yes but you can't say the earthquake happened in Japan just because Uranus changed sign. What about the rest of the world/ universe, Uranus doesn't limit its energies to just Japan. Neither is Uranus merely a destructive shocking force, just as Mars cannot be seen only as a 'planet of war'



Astrology can be interpreted in any number of ways and levels. you could pick any day in history and find some kind of shocking Uranian activity going on and say 'ooh look its uranus doing that'

If there had been no earthquake astrologers would have found something to say marked the passage of Uranus from Pisces

 

[Tohpol]

yes but you can't say the earthquake happened in Japan just because Uranus changed sign. What about the rest of the world/ universe, Uranus doesn't limit its energies to just Japan. Neither is Uranus merely a destructive shocking force, just as Mars cannot be seen only as a 'planet of war'



Astrology can be interpreted in any number of ways and levels. you could pick any day in history and find some kind of shocking Uranian activity going on and say 'ooh look its uranus doing that'

If there had been no earthquake astrologers would have found something to say marked the passage of Uranus from Pisces

Personally, I think much of popular astrology (i.e. the 12 zodiac signs and the houses) is unsubstantiated bunkum, albeit lots of fun. However, I do think the primary planets and celestial influence generally do play a huge part in the life of a human being.

I more or less come from this school of thought:

http://planetarytypes.com.au/bookTrailer.html

 

[rosada]

Topal, you inspired me to write a new chapter for 31. Influence on the I Ching Book of Merit thread.

rosada

 

[pocossin]

you can't say the earthquake happened in Japan just because Uranus changed sign.

Not because. A meaningful coincidence is better than causation. In Astrology the state of the heavens is the casting. The stars are God's coins.

 

[Tohpol]

Topal, you inspired me to write a new chapter for 31. Influence on the I Ching Book of Merit thread.

rosada

Excellent!

If anyone's interested I'll try to post some extracts from Tony Cartledge's book on Celestial influence over the next week.

 

[pocossin]

Excellent!

If anyone's interested I'll try to post some extracts from Tony Cartledge's book on Celestial influence over the next week.

I'm very interested. When you have time, please give a brief summary of his ideas.

 

[Tohpol]

I'm very interested. When you have time, please give a brief summary of his ideas.

Will do. Hopefully, over the next few days.

 

[Tohpol]

Meantime, there's an extract from the book in PDF you can download here:

http://planetarytypes.com.au/Planetary Types Sample.pdf

 

[rosada]

I Ching toss for the April New Moon:

16.4
The source of enthusiasm.
He achieves great things.
Doubt not.
You gather friends around you
As a hair clasp gathers hair.

Wilhelm

 

[pocossin]

As pointed out by Scott Davis

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[rodaki]

great reading Rosada, thanks for sharing!!

Just yesterday I came across this channel in youtube with musicians around the world and this reminded me of it:

http://www.youtube.com/user/playingforchange?blend=3&ob=4#p/u/54/Us-TVg40ExM

 

[ginnie]

What Happened on Earth

The line up of planets for the April 3 New Moon may be of interest... Six of the ten planets will be in the sign Aries.

Today is the New Moon. Today I want to start something new -- something more adventurous and interesting. But not just for me. I want to start something new that also helps the people around me feel more alive and energized.

I read recently that Uranus was making a significant move when that huge tsunami in Indonesia occurred just after Christmas that year. Pardon me if I don't have all the facts at my fingertips, but that was the first time I ever heard of tsunamis. For some reason, that one had a big impact on me.

So today I finally found a way to interest someone to get on the Internet who has been blocked about getting involved with computers at all. Personally, I feel there's something for everyone out here in cyberspace.

 

[rosada]

Thanks Ginnie. I encourage anyone else who feels to, to post their new moon affirmations. I've found putting the idea in writing sending a message out over the internet seems to help make it manifest.
The time frame is now and for the next 48 hours.

Mine is:
The I Ching gives me clear guidance and I use it well!

-Rosada
p.s. I threw in an icon to activate both the left and right brain.

 

[Tohpol]

I'll be posting some extracts and comments from the aforementioned book soon....Promise.

 

[rosada]

That's quite alright, Topal. Mars is opposing Saturn until the 19th and Mercury is retrograde until the 23. These influences tend to slow things down a bit. Particularly the writing.
Rosada

 

[Tohpol]

That's quite alright, Topal. Mars is opposing Saturn until the 19th and Mercury is retrograde until the 23. These influences tend to slow things down a bit. Particularly the writing.
Rosada

Yes, it certainly feels like it!

From the foreword:

"The author believes that once a planetary types is 'proven' by scientific logic, then a more acceptable astrology can arise on a stronger and more rational foundation. and he proceeds to bring into the equation many different and valuable insights into the entire issue of psychological archetypes and then the Gurdjieffian typology. This morphs into the research work of Michel Gauquelin and his scientifically accepted, although still controversial, studies of the planets and the professions. The integration of scientific material together with more spiritual aspects of the planetary types brings the two extremes within closer grasp.

When these ideas are taken further with reference to harmonics and wave forms,
we get closer and closer to the way that astrology affects us in cosmic ands human ways, affecting our biochemistry, our states of mind and electromagnetic bodies ... The part I find particularly relevant invovles the principle of resonance, where vibrational forces communicate and exchange information acrosss time and space via the endocrine glands which in turn has a profound effect on our health and well-being.

He describes the planetary types as relevant to a wide range of historical and current people to demonstrate his thesis and create what he considers to be the foundation of a new science of astrology. [...]

From the introduction p.16:

In view of the failure of astrology to perfom under scientific scrutiny the question that serious people ask themselves about astrology is: 'If most of its claims don't stand up to scientific tests, how is it able to flourish so successfully?' As in most things I believe it is a question of a kernal of truth surrounded by a thick crust of fabrication; The kernal is the system of types outlined in Chapter 9 and its current form is a product of an esoteric school based on the teachings of the Russian polymath philosopher P.D. Ouspensky and the Greek-Armenian mystic George Gurdjieff.

"I believe there is something much deeper and more fundamental about the types [myers briggs, Jung's archetypes, popular ennegram personality types etc.] in this book than any other scheme I have encountered; they spring forth from the very roots of our civilization and our psyche. I believe they are not simply developed from a subjective set of arbitrarily chosen chracteristics, but from an objective phenomenon that has thje possibility of being scientifically verified."

He then talks about astrology's dismal record in failing to stand up to scientific scrutiny and the fact that astrology still resonates with so many despite the obvious shortcomings. He talks about his attempts to bring about the true nature of astrology, heavily influenced by The Fourth Way School. He highlights the differences between a humanist and mechanist perception of current astrology and comes down firmly on the side of the mechanist view best summed up in the following quotation: "The current chaos in astrology is largely the result of a chronic infatuation with symbolism at the expense of reason. This is because the majority of astrologers reject a scientific approach in favour of symbolism, intuition and holistic understanding."

He states:

"The purpose of this book is to try to separate the wheat from the chaff and reveal what I believe lies at the heart of astrology - a system of types based on planetary influence which has appeared independently several times in history. This system is capable of discovery and verification by independent observers and qualifies as near as possible to being objective. In plan to use this scheme of types to greatly simplify and remove the unnecessary complexity in traditional astrology, suggest the mechanism by which it works, and present the results of a statistical test that establishes a firm foundation for a science of celestial influence."

---------------

More tomorrow.

 

[pocossin]

"I believe there is something much deeper and more fundamental about the types [myers briggs, Jung's archetypes, popular ennegram personality types etc.] in this book than any other scheme I have encountered; they spring forth from the very roots of our civilization and our psyche. I believe they are not simply developed from a subjective set of arbitrarily chosen chracteristics, but from an objective phenomenon that has thje possibility of being scientifically verified."

Thanks, Topal. I am reading in the enneagram now. Not Gurdjieff's version, but the Enneagram of Personality that goes back to Raymon Lull.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enneagram_of_Personality

 

[ginnie]

Mars is opposing Saturn until the 19th and Mercury is retrograde until the 23. These influences tend to slow things down a bit.

I'm totally slowed down if not at a downright standstill.

 

[Tohpol]

OK the "more tomorrow" was more like more in almost a month but hey...

So, for those interested (and I hope there's more than Tom lol) here's some more extracts. To any astrologer worth his salt the work of Michel Gauquelin is of paramount importance in proving that at least the underlying principle of astrology is sound. This guys theories feature a lot in this book:

p.19:

Much of the pioneering work on planetary influence has already been by French scientist Michel Gauquelin ...[who] established quite convincingly that the planets exert an influence on character. His results seem as solid as any discovery in science and though many critics and skeptics have attacked his results, the indications of his work are a good foundation upon which to rest a new science. [...]

p.31:

"Before he began his study of planetary effects he carried out exhaustive statistical studies on the influence of the zodiac signs on personality and found no correlation whatever, which led him to state:

'The only conclusion is that the influence of the signs of the zodiac is not confimed by an objective study of the behaviour of thousands of people - or to put it crudely, the signs of the zodiac are valueless.'

What he did find was that the majority of character traits which astrologers attribute to the inner planets (with the exception of the Sun and Mercury) could be found in his planetary type lists, and that these types 'were an observable, and even to some extent, measureable reality.' Gauquelin found that the astrologer's interpretation of the position in the chart was false, and would give an incorrect reading, but believed his results would rehabilitate the ancient planetary type system. [...]

p.32

After surveying the techniques available in astrology books on the erection and implementation of a natal chart, it is clear that there are a great many approaches to interpretation. However, the majority seem to be in agreement over the most prominent factors in a horoscope. [...]

Ascendent by sign
Ascendent ruler by sign and house position
Sun by sign and house position
Moon by sign and house position
Angular planets [...]

The Planets are the dimensions of experience
The Signs are the qualities of experience
The Houses are the fields of experience

[...]

We have already seen how the validity of the signs has suffered under the scrunity of stastistical tests, but what about the houses? AT Mann is one of America's leading astrologers and author of many books. Mann abandoned the traditionalrole of houses after failing to see their real significance.
'There is no recognition in traditional astrology that any sequence is involved in the house designations. They seem to be randomly determined activities which roughly correspond with the influences of the signs ... It can be readily seen that there is little idea to what the houses pertain. (The definitions of the signs are also subject to vague speculation). [...]
Eysenck, West, and Geoffrey Dean have demonstrated that most of the beliefs of astrologers don't stand up to rigorous examination, and much of it may need to be discarded if there is ever to be an objective science of celestial influence. [...]

Given all this evidence why then, do people still consider that astrology works?
Eysenck, as a professional psychologist, illustrates the reason why with this episode from Gauquelin's research. He sent out a free horoscope after advertising in the paper, and all those responding were asked to comment on the reading given. Unknown to the respondents, all were given the same horoscope. In the first of 150 replies, 94 % claimed that the fake horoscope accurately described their character. Unfortunately, the chart was that of Dr. Petiot, one of France's most notorious mass-murderers, who killed 23 people and dissolved their bodies in a tub of quicklime. There was nothing in the chart to indicate such a major aberration of the personality, and what was in it seemed to apply to nearly everybody who received. [...]

p.34

There is no doubt that the majority of astrologers are sincere and compassionate people who take seriously the symbolism of their art. But, like John Anthony West, we must raise the question, 'are its acknowledged therapeutic benefits simply the result of sound advice that would be just as sound if astrology weren't involved.'
So, the answer to the question , 'are astrological assertions true?' seems to be yes and no, but mostly no. The assertions about the signs have no basis in fact and that of the houses seems equally invalid. The significance of the planets however, and their positions with respect to the horizon, has been firmly established. For this reason, the planetary types will be the sole focus of our study.

 

[pocossin]

Seven Planetary Types

1. Saturn pituitary -- strong, silent, logical, wise
2. Jupiter posterior pituitary -- benevolent, dramatic, creative, harmonizing
3. Mars adrenal -- aggressive, courageous, competitive, honest
4. Sun thymus -- childlike, delicate, naive, imaginative
5. Venus Parathyroid -- accepting, sensual, charming, sympathetic
6. Mercury thyroid -- nimble, critical, dexterous, witty
7. Moon pancreas -- secretive, eccentric, shy, dependable

 

[bamboo]

I don't really understand how the article says that the planets' influence is valid but not the sign....how does one derive the planet's significance then? ie, if I say my venus is in pisces, 8th house, for instance......take away the pisces and the house, there is just venus floating there with no context. and everyone has the planets, so how would one derive any significance from the planets....how does one know what planetary type they are?

 

[Trojina]

OK the "more tomorrow" was more like more in almost a month but hey...

So, for those interested (and I hope there's more than Tom lol) here's some more extracts. To any astrologer worth his salt the work of Michel Gauquelin is of paramount importance in proving that at least the underlying principle of astrology is sound. This guys theories feature a lot in this book:

In Astrology there can be no 'proof'.....either you feel it resonates or you don't. To me what a scientist says about it means nothing.,as what a scinetist says about OBE experiences means nothing or life after death.

p.19:

Much of the pioneering work on planetary influence has already been by French scientist Michel Gauquelin ...[who] established quite convincingly that the planets exert an influence on character. His results seem as solid as any discovery in science and though many critics and skeptics have attacked his results, the indications of his work are a good foundation upon which to rest a new science. [...]

it will never be a 'science' so why try to make it so ? It would be as futile as trying to make a case for scientific 'proof' of the I Ching

"Before he began his study of planetary effects he carried out exhaustive statistical studies on the influence of the zodiac signs on personality and found no correlation whatever, which led him to state:
'The only conclusion is that the influence of the signs of the zodiac is not confimed by an objective study of the behaviour of thousands of people - or to put it crudely, the signs of the zodiac are valueless.'

we have to question the approach and validity of these 'exhaustive statistical studies' in an area such as Astrology. I personally reject this conclusion since there is no such thing as "an objective study of the behaviourof thousands of people" at all. Simply looking at the professions of males does not equal "the behaviour of thousands of people" which is pretty much what he focused on. I hardly think he knew much about the inner life, personal life of all these statistics at all.

What he did find was that the majority of character traits which astrologers attribute to the inner planets (with the exception of the Sun and Mercury) could be found in his planetary type lists, and that these types 'were an observable, and even to some extent, measureable reality.' Gauquelin found that the astrologer's interpretation of the position in the chart was false, and would give an incorrect reading, but believed his results would rehabilitate the ancient planetary type system. [...]

By trying to slice an esoteric art up into 'planetary type' lists no wonder he couldn't find meaning in the zodiac...
Astrology will thankfully never be an observable measurable science...since it is all about the soul and life and how ones soul evolves and interplays with the rest of the universe.

After surveying the techniques available in astrology books on the erection and implementation of a natal chart, it is clear that there are a great many approaches to interpretation. However, the majority seem to be in agreement over the most prominent factors in a horoscope. [...]

Ascendent by sign
Ascendent ruler by sign and house position
Sun by sign and house position
Moon by sign and house position
Angular planets [...]

The Planets are the dimensions of experience
The Signs are the qualities of experience
The Houses are the fields of experience

[...]

We have already seen how the validity of the signs has suffered under the scrunity of stastistical tests, but what about the houses? AT Mann is one of America's leading astrologers and author of many books. Mann abandoned the traditionalrole of houses after failing to see their real significance.
'There is no recognition in traditional astrology that any sequence is involved in the house designations. They seem to be randomly determined activities which roughly correspond with the influences of the signs ... It can be readily seen that there is little idea to what the houses pertain. (The definitions of the signs are also subject to vague speculation). [...]
Eysenck, West, and Geoffrey Dean have demonstrated that most of the beliefs of astrologers don't stand up to rigorous examination, and much of it may need to be discarded if there is ever to be an objective science of celestial influence. [...]

How appalling would an 'objective science of celestial influence be. Astrology isn't a science and never will be., and IMO neither should it aspire to be. It can never be proved any more than the existence of the spirit after death or the reality of the I Ching. As to the underlined thats not at all true. It is very clear as to which areas of life houses pertain. There are many different house systems its true...in the way there are many ways to consult Yi. I feel to try to make a claim astrology is a science is a bit like trying to make out consulting Yi is a science, like some scientist claiming he measured 1000s of peoples responses from Yi and the result was 'X'; and we must believe him becasue hes a 'scientist'. I thought science had gotten over its self importance last century

Given all this evidence why then, do people still consider that astrology works? Eysenck, as a professional psychologist, illustrates the reason why with this episode from Gauquelin's research. He sent out a free horoscope after advertising in the paper, and all those responding were asked to comment on the reading given. Unknown to the respondents, all were given the same horoscope. In the first of 150 replies, 94 % claimed that the fake horoscope accurately described their character. Unfortunately, the chart was that of Dr. Petiot, one of France's most notorious mass-murderers, who killed 23 people and dissolved their bodies in a tub of quicklime. There was nothing in the chart to indicate such a major aberration of the personality, and what was in it seemed to apply to nearly everybody who received. [...]

p.34

Becasue people like myself don't give so much credence to what scientists say on a topiclike astrology.....see no reason to discard our own experience and understanding as invalid because some scientist' said something wasn't meaningful and wrote a book about it ? As for the newspaper experiment...boy that is very old stuff...it has a name doesn't it.... the Barnum Effect, wil look it up and link,,,I mean thats well known but has no especial relevance to the validity of real astrology it applies to newspaper astrology which surely anyone who knows about astrology knows is so general as to be meaningless. Looked it up and it is called the 'Barnum Effect', a known phenomenon except i cannot get a link to work for it...so will have to google to see

But it only works if statements are kept very general. For example if you say to some one " you are outgoing but also like to be alone sometimes" it will apply to anyone. This experiment has been done with all kindsof psychic predictions and so on.

There is no doubt that the majority of astrologers are sincere and compassionate people who take seriously the symbolism of their art. But, like John Anthony West, we must raise the question, 'are its acknowledged therapeutic benefits simply the result of sound advice that would be just as sound if astrology weren't involved.'
So, the answer to the question , 'are astrological assertions true?' seems to be yes and no, but mostly no. The assertions about the signs have no basis in fact and that of the houses seems equally invalid. The significance of the planets however, and their positions with respect to the horizon, has been firmly established. For this reason, the planetary types will be the sole focus of our study.

Oh Dear.....the hubris of this assertion, the hubris of the (not) 'scientific' writer leaves me speechless for which no doubt you will be grateful LOL

Thats my view of the book so far....but don't let me deter you from posting more if others are keen to view it


(goddamn it Topal got me to write another essay !!!!)

 

[Trojina]

Seven Planetary Types

1. Saturn pituitary -- strong, silent, logical, wise
2. Jupiter posterior pituitary -- benevolent, dramatic, creative, harmonizing
3. Mars adrenal -- aggressive, courageous, competitive, honest
4. Sun thymus -- childlike, delicate, naive, imaginative
5. Venus Parathyroid -- accepting, sensual, charming, sympathetic
6. Mercury thyroid -- nimble, critical, dexterous, witty
7. Moon pancreas -- secretive, eccentric, shy, dependable

This is very simplistic, was it from the book ? Everyone will have these planets in their birth chart obviously and will not fall into only one of these categories. Astrology is not just a very crude kind of personlity test

mercury as a planet will describe the intellect of each person, the sign and house colouring how it is engaged in life. And the same with all theother planets, venus will descibe how a person seeks to relate etc etc

By removing all the complexity of the dance of the planets in signs and houses and the angles they make all we are left with is a crude simplistic personality profile model and I don't see the point of that...seems like reducing astrology to its very lowest application and not even being accurate in that