Re: Synchronocity

[fkegan]

Choosing sides?

Make up your mind, Frank.

I decided on both simultaneously with a number more options as well. I just don't squeeze hard on the awesomeness. I find the subtlety more awesome yet and it allows me to know facts and be playful and appreciate Tao. Why do you feel the need to demand folks sign up as it were?

A 'signature' can be synchronicity, divine revelation, playful tweak, coincidence, improbability or many other things--all at once! Where do you get the notion of having to settle on just one perspective or to make hard commitments in matters of insight and conscience?

Frank

 

[meng]

Frank, when you state something as fact, then disagree when someone else agrees with what you've said, that's not credible.

 

[indra]

I once heard a song on the radio that precisely described the relationship problem I was having right down to my then girlfriend's name and nationality. This was after a phonecall discussion about whether or not I should move in with her and move to another country. I then proceeded to open a book only to find that I was staring at her name in the middle of the page.

So, of course, from those little "signs" I took that to be an affirmative. Yet the relationship was not successful in the end. But I did learn a great deal. Was it wrong to listen to those signs? Do synchronicities mean something rosy in store or just pointers for more learning in terms of what you need rather than what you want? Or can they be just a product of your desires? Probably all the above.

I'd quite like to hear about some notable synchs. if anyone cares to share....

Topal

I have encountered Notable Syncs but as of yet I don't know whether I am attaching importance to an event that has any meaning or direction for me. But when I really think about it just seems so UNCANNY.

You know when you meet some-one and you instantly just know that this person could be the One but things just went hay-wire between the two of us. This is what happened to me I thought that I may have found the love of my life but it wasn't meant to be.

But recently I just discovered that this person got married and lives within walking distance of where I currently live. This is where it seems to get a bit odd, seems to be a notebable synchronocity I presently live opposite a junior school and currenly she lives in another area of the district opposite a junior school as well. I have noticed as well that we seem to bump into each other now and again. Initially I did think of these signs as an affirmative or an intelligence at work here but now I just don't know what to make of it? Well I realiased it was a synchoronocity when I started reading a book by dr wayne dyer, but you know who knows?

Maybe I should ask the oracle?

 

[fkegan]

Are You reacting to 'facts' or your own inferences?

Hi Indra,

I have encountered Notable Syncs but as of yet I don't know whether I am attaching importance to an event that has any meaning or direction for me. But when I really think about it just seems so UNCANNY.
You know when you meet some-one and you instantly just know that this person could be the One but things just went hay-wire between the two of us.

I would answer your comments from my experience with horoscopes. You can have a planetary connection with someone (their planet X in the same zodiac position as your planet Y) which will make for an instantaneous feeling of connection or emotion between you. There may be other details between your charts that will be expressed in your doing similar things or the like.

Thinking someone you meet could be the 'One and Only' in your life is generally a difficult place to start, lots of pressure on the relationship before it exists. If you have basic chart interactions the person may keep popping up in your life or the interaction will stand out to you when they do. Whether these are 'signatures' or synchroncities or just indications the world can be a small place sometimes is generally open to personal choice--especially if you have met them and rejected their relationship already.

If the other person with connections to your chart is married and living nearby in a parallel setting, this can be unsettling. Ultimately, an extreme learning experience worthy of discussing with the oracle.

Meng,

Frank, when you state something as fact, then disagree when someone else agrees with what you've said, that's not credible.

I stated a fact? I thought I was stating that various folks could come to varying conclusions based upon their own experience of their own feelings and even change all that as things change or they feel like it. Not clear the hard fact there.

You were agreeing with me? Hard to tell.
Seems you have very high standards for me to meet, and I can tell you now, I am likely to disappoint those expectations. Long ago I heard a commencement speaker state that it was not possible to predict how a free man would respond. I think now he was arguing against conformity, but I thought it a good idea, so my responses are likely not to fit any expectations.

I thought I was responding to specific details in your posts, but clearly we were having cross-conversations.

Personally, I hold to an open universe with all sorts of gods and spirits rattling around in it and relate to various of these special folks in various ways at various times--knowing full well if any of them need to buttonhole me and demand my attention, they have the ability to do so absolutely. As for my fellow mere mortals, I wonder why they would insist upon giving me a hard time about anything they inferred.

You seem to have a high bar for facts and a very low one for your expectations and inferences.

Frank

 

[meng]

Meng,


I stated a fact? I thought I was stating that various folks could come to varying conclusions based upon their own experience of their own feelings and even change all that as things change or they feel like it. Not clear the hard fact there.

You were agreeing with me? Hard to tell.
Seems you have very high standards for me to meet, and I can tell you now, I am likely to disappoint those expectations. Long ago I heard a commencement speaker state that it was not possible to predict how a free man would respond. I think now he was arguing against conformity, but I thought it a good idea, so my responses are likely not to fit any expectations.

I thought I was responding to specific details in your posts, but clearly we were having cross-conversations.

Personally, I hold to an open universe with all sorts of gods and spirits rattling around in it and relate to various of these special folks in various ways at various times--knowing full well if any of them need to buttonhole me and demand my attention, they have the ability to do so absolutely. As for my fellow mere mortals, I wonder why they would insist upon giving me a hard time about anything they inferred.

You seem to have a high bar for facts and a very low one for your expectations and inferences.

Frank

Gawd, what utter double talking bullshit.

 

[fkegan]

Unscrewing the inscrutable...

Gawd, what utter double talking bullshit.

Hi Meng,
You seem to have a problem with explaining your objections to my posts. I agree with you though, that I am not operating with the same assumptions as you, and thus within your assumptions my comments don't make a lot of sense.

What you see as my saying two things at once (which to me is a nice Taoist thing to do if one wishes)....I see as speaking about different parts of what you are saying independently of your smashing them all together in a jumble.

Sorry for the interference with your defensive expectations, but then Buddha's second noble truth suggests that can't be avoided at this stage.

Frank

 

[rosada]

With all due respect Frank, your comments here don't make a lot of sense to me either.

 

[fkegan]

Synchronicity and coincidence...

With all due respect Frank, your comments here don't make a lot of sense to me either.

Does the thread about Synchronicity elude you or just my attempts to relate to Meng's posts?

We are both astrologers though I count the 30 degrees of a sign from 1 to 30 not zero to 29.

I am familiar with Jung's notion of Synchronicity, but also that it was a part of his general attempts to keep his European and modern roots intact and only dabble in the interesting myths and imagery of other times.

You mention memorizing the Wilhelm Images and stick close to that text and its literal imagery. I am familiar with that, but add the Taoist translation and my own imagery from other sources.

Why do you think my comments here don't make a lot of sense in particular?

Frank

 

[fkegan]

Chaos theory synchronicity...

Throwing monkey wrenches at fate...

http://chaostheorymovie.warnerbros.com/

Hi Luis,

I tried a number of times to view the movie site on the link, but my computer refused to accept the flash player so the clip never worked. Then, just as I finally gave up, Ebert & Roeper were showing their clips and review of Chaos Theory movie. A bit of synchronicity.

Their summary of the plot only reminded me of a similar paternity-type issue used with great aplomb to avoid a political scandal in Canada. The Opposition was about to question a minister about a very hot political topic that might have brought down the House. That minister announced he too had signed a pregnant woman's hospital form, not his wife, and so he was resigning his portfolio.

Since the issue possibly involved sex nothing could be mentioned in polite Canadian politics-- whether he had done more than give a friend's wife a ride to the hospital and signed a form she needed as a convenience to his friend who was her husband and busy at that moment could not be asked about. Nor could there be any questions to anyone during Question Time on the hot political issue he was on the hook about since his resignation shielded the whole government from any questions about any actions of that ministry.

Also a neat bit of synchronicity where a whiff of possible sex from years earlier was suddenly admitted true by the minister on the hot seat following an anonymous letter, perhaps from agents of his boss, the Prime minister, and used to prevent their government's collapse for serious policy misconduct. Nothing more ever happened, the cover up worked.

Sometimes synchronicity is at heart not a co-incidence at all. Just looks like a co-incidence to hide deeper causes and motives. Or a lack of anyone noticing the details which make one event not really connect to the other at all.

Buddhism has 4 doctrines of causation:

1) like the West, causes precede effects.

2) precise empirical observation, effects must be observed before the awareness of causes.

3) causes and effects are simultaneous, tied together by their joint process of development.

4) Everything is independent, there are no causes, effects, relationships or entities except in our own defensive expectations and illusions.

Frank