Toki-Moai is a very powerful aid

[laureet]

"Again, you chose to ignore the point I was trying to make which was about how your presented yourself and your lack of awareness about the impression you give to others. It is not what theories you know and not how clever you think you are nor is it about who answers what theoretical questions about the I Ching. It is about YOUR attitude. This is not a competition to see who knows more. Good grief.

Topal

Check out my first messages and the replies, I have an attitude? Give me a break ! You expect I seat quitely to be pushed around just because the delusions of a bunch ?

And some people here do need to realize that cannot go around talking someone down if they cannot handle to be themselves talked down !

 

[laureet]

You used 'ignorant' about ten times in your overlong response to my question - you really want to call people 'ignorant', don't you? .

You miss the point of ignorance meaning...that is ignorance !:bows:

 

[laureet]

Sure...

Here, Laureet - I'll help you. Here's the question I asked you, and which you completely failed to answer:

"Instead of telling people how ignorant and disrespectful they are, why don't you explain the basis of your faith in toki-moai. I don't see how a mere symbol can bring about significant change in my life. I *can* see how self-knowledge and the long, hard work of self-discipline and inner transformation can bring about significant change in my life, but I do not see how replicating a mere symbol can accomplish that. Can you explain how the toki-moai can do that, simply and clearly?"

Would you like to try again? Do you think you can do it this time? Without changing the subject, I mean.

I didn't avoid your message, I simply think that is useless to show the pages to the willingly blind....

For the purpose of explanation and to avoid delusional accusations, I will substitute toki-moai for "Personal mandala" or PM.

All that exists exist in a sea of waves and in contact with everything else, it is like the sea if you want. All that exists, when it moves produces waves which affect others and him or herself in his/her sailing through. All waves from everything else also affects your own way. A PM is done by someone who knows to read those waves you produce by your very existence and movement and draw those waves for you. Now think that a boat (you) sails through the waters needing all the time to brake the resistance of the water and create its own wave, this is how we live. But think now that you manage to draw at the front of the boat (you) and on the sea, the same pattern of waves you produce, your form in the sea, what will then happen? Simply that your boat will advance easier, with less resistance and in the direction you want to, just because you don't need to impose your wave on calm water all the time, you just sail with your wave at front of you so all is ready for minimum effort and maximum effect. That is to write your PM on your existence, to write your wave, the same you leave behind, at your front. Why to imprint it on stone, or ink? Because you can only make true what you can imagine and also everything you can imagine gets the power to become true more easy. So as much as you see your PM (wave) related with what you want to achieve, more naturally you will produce a smooth sailing. YOU are who makes the future true, NOT the PM, but only having the PM in view you are able to produce that pattern in your thoughts and spirit. That is how and why a PM works under any name given to it, why it permeates all religions and why must be personal and unique.

 

[laureet]

OK

Yes, that I will do.

Shoot. With all you've got. Even if there's something I can't digest myself, there are those here that certainly can. That's why I say that your knowledge can "benefit all"

Thanks, I've books on the Yi pouring out of my ears and what I don't have and somebody points out to me, I'll most likely buy, even in Chinese, of which I have quite a few.

Suggest away, please.

Yes, your opinion. Even the best kept secrets and oral traditions must be put down on ink and paper at some point in history. That some remain "hidden" does not mean they are not in "print".

I wasn't proposing to test you; I was inviting you to share knowledge. As for Yi knowledge, well..., I don't have much. I'll never make a such a claim as being a "scholar of the Yi". Furthermore, if you go through my postings you'll notice a certain pattern of "goofiness". I like it that way...

L

It is good you have the resources...

I must point out that there are some cultures along history who by own choice were not writing and remained verbal only, as many Celtic tribes about which much is know through Roman historians who of course gave their view of them not the real thing. The same exists in Asia principally minorities and mostly in China where dinasties were deleting previous dinasties existence and were the imposition of the Han deleted much of previous cultures legacies a bit as what China tried to do with Tibet traditions.

By the way I am not a scholar of the Yi, I am a scholar of ancient cultures through modern universities curriculum as a graduate, researcher and lecturer and in paralell I have 35 years of teaching a particular school of martial arts which doesn't come to the case but which has itself ancient roots, all of which puts me in the position of knowing that I know too few and therefore more critic of who knowing still less than me pretends to dismiss knowledge because cannot google it or never heard about

 

[Tohpol]

Check out my first messages and the replies, I have an attitude? Give me a break ! You expect I seat quitely to be pushed around just because the delusions of a bunch ?

And some people here do need to realize that cannot go around talking someone down if they cannot handle to be themselves talked down !

I agree with you Laureet we shouldn't talk down to each other.

Deluded as we may be, look at your first responses. Instead of saying simply: "Actually guys I was really honest in my wish to share this" and leave it at that, you chose the arrogant way because you were rather put out:

title: Toki-moai for dummies
" It is expected that who has an open mind for studying and trying to understand a whole system as the I Ching, might have the head out of his/her navel and know a bit more about their subject of study."

By all means , keep looking the mountains while others like me cross them to discover new things, what we tell you at our return will be without doubt tales and legends to you while for me...will have the taste of new worlds."

Ouch! That last one is dripping with self-importance!

Instead of showing the maturity that you are claiming to have, you Immediately you set yourself up as the "know-it-all" and chose not to see that the way you wrote your first post was BOUND to ellict universal assumptions of spammer.

If you had gently explained the deal without setting yourself up as one who talks down to everyone (which you have just admitted you do) then we could have all got together and discussed your knowledge on this, which I'm sure is very interesting.

We all make mistakes Laureet and if I was too harsh then I apologize. But as I'm sure you know, admitting when we've made a boo-boo is no bad thing - in fact it's a sign of character. That's more important than theory wouldn't you say?

Topal

 

[laureet]

I mostly agree

If you had gently explained the deal without setting yourself up as one who talks down to everyone (which you have just admitted you do) then we could have all got together and discussed your knowledge on this, which I'm sure is very interesting.

We all make mistakes Laureet and if I was too harsh then I apologize. But as I'm sure you know, admitting when we've made a boo-boo is no bad thing - in fact it's a sign of character. That's more important than theory wouldn't you say?

Topal

I agree and if that was the case, many should have stopped at the first reaction from my side, I real spammer would not mind a bit and move on to other forums, don't need and ever never loose time in defending because is ultimately guilty as charged. If honesty was recognized earlier instead of intensily try to discredit all references and answers, all should have been more kind, don't YOU agree ?

 

[bruce_g]

Topal, it is the function of the "righteous" to bring illumination to the "unrighteous". The only problem is, they usually use the unenlightened as torches. Nero lit the road to Rome thusly. Vainglorious and ultimately self defeating, but it makes them feel good.

 

[Sparhawk]

I must point out that there are some cultures along history who by own choice were not writing and remained verbal only, as many Celtic tribes about which much is know through Roman historians who of course gave their view of them not the real thing. The same exists in Asia principally minorities and mostly in China where dinasties were deleting previous dinasties existence and were the imposition of the Han deleted much of previous cultures legacies a bit as what China tried to do with Tibet traditions.

What's lost is lost. What is --at least in my mind and very subjectively at that-- unacceptable, is for some to claim, in the present, to have secret knowledge, untouched and unaltered, handed down through millenniums of oral traditions. What cannot sustain scholarly scrutiny is faith based and dogmatic. Something that, in the case of serious study of the Yi, is not possible. What I mean is, there are indeed many that claim to have received "secret knowledge" but when confronted the only things they can offer in return are "faith" in the knowledge and a dogmatic point of view of what they believe to be the "truth."

By the way I am not a scholar of the Yi, I am a scholar of ancient cultures through modern universities curriculum as a graduate, researcher and lecturer and in paralell I have 35 years of teaching a particular school of martial arts which doesn't come to the case but which has itself ancient roots, all of which puts me in the position of knowing that I know too few and therefore more critic of who knowing still less than me pretends to dismiss knowledge because cannot google it or never heard about

Interesting. I do agree though with you about dismissing things off-hand, without further scrutiny. The only issue with you and your case has been the first few messages and how they were perceived in this peaceful "Hall of Knowledge" rofl Your defensive stance and the throwing of credentials around didn't help the cause either. I'm glad though that you are able to change attitudes and have a conversation.

L

 

[laureet]

Would you?

Topal, it is the function of the "righteous" to bring illumination to the "unrighteous". The only problem is, they usually use the unenlightened as torches. Nero lit the road to Rome thusly. Vainglorious and ultimately self defeating, but it makes them feel good.

Would you care to elaborate on that? I mean the roles and similitudes?:bows:

 

[laureet]

Yep

What's lost is lost. What is --at least in my mind and very subjectively at that-- unacceptable, is for some to claim, in the present, to have secret knowledge, untouched and unaltered, handed down through millenniums of oral traditions. What cannot sustain scholarly scrutiny is faith based and dogmatic. Something that, in the case of serious study of the Yi, is not possible. What I mean is, there are indeed many that claim to have received "secret knowledge" but when confronted the only things they can offer in return are "faith" in the knowledge and a dogmatic point of view of what they believe to be the "truth."

Untainted knowledge transmitted aas originally intended by verbal transmission is impossible. Written transmission itself is never pure. I agree with your point and most I agree with the irreality of self proclaimed gurus. But not all is lost about verbal cultures, otherwise arqueology and antropology would be DOA. There is still much to discover.

Interesting. I do agree though with you about dismissing things off-hand, without further scrutiny. The only issue with you and your case has been the first few messages and how they were perceived in this peaceful "Hall of Knowledge" rofl Your defensive stance and the throwing of credentials around didn't help the cause either. I'm glad though that you are able to change attitudes and have a conversation.

L

It will only exist a deffensive stance if there is an offensive stance from the counterpart ... Miyamoto Musashi :bows:

 

[Sparhawk]

But not all is lost about verbal cultures, otherwise arqueology and antropology would be DOA. There is still much to discover.

True. That was my point. At some point, what's discoverable, is documented. We are getting somewhere...

L

 

[laureet]

True. That was my point. At some point, what's discoverable, is documented. We are getting somewhere...

L

The problem is that is documented by someone out of context (I mean a discovery), from modern times with no direct knowledge of the context where and when that object of discovery was created....the eternal problem isn't it ? we can only do our best...

What happens when a minority or a family is found using a divination system almost identical to the I Ching but different ? Must be dismissed as a deformed outbranch ? what if it was the main branch from where the I Ching came from ? Verbal traditions are very slippery grounds, you surely know about the Hsiao Liuqiu findings ?

 

[Tohpol]

I agree and if that was the case, many should have stopped at the first reaction from my side, I real spammer would not mind a bit and move on to other forums, don't need and ever never loose time in defending because is ultimately guilty as charged. If honesty was recognized earlier instead of intensily try to discredit all references and answers, all should have been more kind, don't YOU agree ?

Spamming unfortunately does not always conform to the outlines you state. Very often spamming is joined with those who love to troll and be a pain. And your initial responses fitted that mold. Therefore your "honesty" was having a hard time appearing due to your continued posturing.

So, in answer to your question, the "unkindess" that you perceive directed at you was out of defence of forum integrity not out of malice. So, no I don't agree. I have yet to see any evidence that you are willing to admit the possibility that that you contributed to this. Perhaps you see it as everyone else's problem?

Whatever.

Topal

 

[Sparhawk]

The problem is that is documented by someone out of context (I mean a discovery), from modern times with no direct knowledge of the context where and when that object of discovery was created....the eternal problem isn't it ? we can only do our best...

Something we all must learn to live with, unless, we really find an "immortal" that's been around all this time and can tell it like it is...

What happens when a minority or a family is found using a divination system almost identical to the I Ching but different ? Must be dismissed as a deformed outbranch ? what if it was the main branch from where the I Ching came from ? Verbal traditions are very slippery grounds, you surely know about the Hsiao Liuqiu findings ?

I'd be immensely interested in studying those versions, of course. I'd never dismiss them as anything. Interesting traditions are to be found in Taiwan, yes. The same way the Japanese have a very interesting POV and traditions on the Yi Jing (Ekikyo in Japanese)

L

 

[laureet]

Spamming unfortunately does not always conform to the outlines you state. Very often spamming is joined with those who love to troll and be a pain. And your initial responses fitted that mold. Therefore your "honesty" was having a hard time appearing due to your continued posturing.

So, in answer to your question, the "unkindess" that you perceive directed at you was out of defence of forum integrity not out of malice. So, no I don't agree. I have yet to see any evidence that you are willing to admit the possibility that that you contributed to this. Perhaps you see it as everyone else's problem?

Whatever.

Topal

You say it was my attitude, I say it was yours, you have your opinion, I have mine, I don't pretend to impose you my opinion just I don't accept you impose yours on me. Do you really want to continue this useless line of verbal fencing? Or do you accept to move to new more useful grounds ?
:bows:

 

[Sparhawk]

For Taiwan (Liuqiu) and Japan I'm referring to "insular" traditions, of course, as opposed to "mainland", which may include Korea and some parts of South China... The relative Isolation of certain traditions and philosophies is a great comparative tool on a common topic.

L

 

[laureet]

Something we all must learn to live with, unless, we really find an "immortal" that's been around all this time and can tell it like it is...

That would be something

I'd be immensely interested in studying those versions, of course. I'd never dismiss them as anything. Interesting traditions are to be found in Taiwan, yes. The same way the Japanese have a very interesting POV and traditions on the Yi Jing (Ekikyo in Japanese)

L

Interesting you mention that... Do you also known on the culture inbetween Taiwan and Japan, the Three Kingdoms of Ryukyu and their view of it ? ... I mean pre-Sanchan...

 

[laureet]

For Taiwan (Liuqiu) and Japan I'm referring to "insular" traditions, of course, as opposed to "mainland", which may include Korea and some parts of South China... The relative Isolation of certain traditions and philosophies is a great comparative tool on a common topic.

L

Very much true . The Dai are proof of that and so are the KunLun tribes but as you say, Taiwan and mostly the Hsiao Liuqiu island hold interest... Glad to see your interests :bows:

 

[bruce_g]

Would you care to elaborate on that? I mean the roles and similitudes?:bows:

Well, if you want to enlighten someone, you may succeed only in burning them up. Isn't that an inefficient use of fuel?

 

[Sparhawk]

Interesting you mention that... Do you also known on the culture inbetween Taiwan and Japan, the Three Kingdoms of Ryukyu and their view of it ? ... I mean pre-Sanchan...

I know of the culture, yes, I don't know much of their view of the Yi though. My knowledge of the Yi in Japan is mainly post-Sanchan, more precisely Edo (Tokugawa) Era. The Three Kingdoms, what's now Okinawa, was a far more isolated culture than that of the main Japanese islands. Can you recommend some good works on the subject of the Yi Jing in the Ryukyu?

L

 

[Tohpol]

You say it was my attitude, I say it was yours, you have your opinion, I have mine, I don't pretend to impose you my opinion just I don't accept you impose yours on me. Do you really want to continue this useless line of verbal fencing? Or do you accept to move to new more useful grounds ?
:bows:

Er... you assume it is strictly my opinion - it is not. I agree with you on one thing - it does now appear to be useless.

On to pastures new!

Topal

 

[laureet]

I know of the culture, yes, I don't know much of their view of the Yi though. My knowledge of the Yi in Japan is mainly post-Sanchan, more precisely Edo (Tokugawa) Era. The Three Kingdoms, what's now Okinawa, was a far more isolated culture than that of the main Japanese islands. Can you recommend some good works on the subject of the Yi Jing in the Ryukyu?

L

There are few public works on that mainly because of the difficulty of the subject, the Sanchan period had the real ancient Ryukyu culture destroyed and dialects forbiddden, but their tights to the mainland cultures was stronger by times than to the Okinawan anji so their connections with the Chinese traditions of the divination by trigrams was stronger than the Japanese connection. However, there also was a strong preservation of local traditions some with polynesian roots others not and for making it more complex, each island had a couple of own dialects and many own traditions even if sharing others.

Also they were receiving the Chinese and even accepting temporary rule as they made with the Japanese, on the surface only. In fact, for a while, they were Chinese territory some months and Japanese others and they managed to make believe all them that they were occupied while in true they were just using the best of each. So they integrated divination the Chinese way but not totally adopted it, mostly theyt used it in their own way. See that while Chineses were talking about heaven and earth, Rykyuans were talking abot the spirits of heaven and earth and while mainland was speaking of YinYang, Ryukyuans were talking about the One and only and the 10000 things . You may think..like in Dao (Tao) , bvut not, while in China was heaven and earth, light and dark, in Ryukyu was dark unless intention of a spirit was making it light, heaven was the breath of earth and earth was the solidification of heaven thanks to the intention of the 10000 spirits of things, all was intention and without intention was no flow and therefore only the One, the Kun, the void. Intention was all, so the I Ching was all about intention and the readings were not about what will happen or what should I do but more about what should I try to think about, where should I put my center of attention for solving this, where I put my intention...or what is the intention of all that touches my way, how I change it and what if I cannot, what the Universe wants from me? Well, I am disgressing...

Sorry...back to material, try the Visions of the Ryukyu in its first edition you may find a couple of lines, I will check in my bookshelf and let you know...

 

[sophie]

Er... you assume it is strictly my opinion - it is not. I agree with you on one thing - it does now appear to be useless.

Our opinions matter for little...but not that of the Yi Jing. So I asked: what does the Yi think of Laureet's attitude on this thread?

43, 1,3 > 47

What does it think of the attitude of posters that reacted to Laureet's attitude or that queried her links, or the magical attributes of the Toki-Moai?

37, 1,2,6 > 48

It appears that Laureet was very much on the defensive because she was defending something dear to her, and used the classic tactic of attack being the best form of defence. However, she made mistakes by being too aggressive, and by mouthing off too much and calling people names (ignorant, etc.). It also seems she felt very much alone and misunderstood.

All this made her feel oppressed, and so she fought on.


The attitude of other posters, however, was to set boundaries around the "clan" - the forum. At first in a closed way, then in a more open and magnanimous way, while remaining true to the forum's character. This led to the well that is the forum to remain clear and accessible to all. I see the offerings of food in line 2 as Sparhawk's opening to Laureet, which opened the way for more constructive discussion.


Laureet, calling people ignorant and being aggressive did not gain you friends or influence in a new place you were visiting, but at least the Yi is clear as to why you were doing this and shows the seriousness of your intent. I too am new and I apologise that I was less than fair in some of my answers to you, though I still have a lot of questions about those links you provided. This forum is a wonderful ressource with a great and light-hearted atmosphere, and that is maybe what you lacked - a lightness of touch and an ability to laugh at yourself that might have opened more minds faster, in the way of Daoist masters. As someone who is not a Yi scholar, but a keen amateur, I appreciate voices like Sparhawk's, for instance (and I am now following the pastures new you have opened with him with interest).

 

[laureet]

Our opinions matter for little...but not that of the Yi Jing. So I asked: what does the Yi think of Laureet's attitude on this thread?

43, 1,3 > 47

What does it think of the attitude of posters that reacted to Laureet's attitude or that queried her links, or the magical attributes of the Toki-Moai?

37, 1,2,6 > 48

It appears that Laureet was very much on the defensive because she was defending something dear to her, and used the classic tactic of attack being the best form of defence. However, she made mistakes by being too aggressive, and by mouthing off too much and calling people names (ignorant, etc.). It also seems she felt very much alone and misunderstood.

All this made her feel oppressed, and so she fought on.


The attitude of other posters, however, was to set boundaries around the "clan" - the forum. At first in a closed way, then in a more open and magnanimous way, while remaining true to the forum's character. This led to the well that is the forum to remain clear and accessible to all. I see the offerings of food in line 2 as Sparhawk's opening to Laureet, which opened the way for more constructive discussion.


Laureet, calling people ignorant and being aggressive did not gain you friends or influence in a new place you were visiting, but at least the Yi is clear as to why you were doing this and shows the seriousness of your intent. I too am new and I apologise that I was less than fair in some of my answers to you, though I still have a lot of questions about those links you provided. This forum is a wonderful ressource with a great and light-hearted atmosphere, and that is maybe what you lacked - a lightness of touch and an ability to laugh at yourself that might have opened more minds faster, in the way of Daoist masters. As someone who is not a Yi scholar, but a keen amateur, I appreciate voices like Sparhawk's, for instance (and I am now following the pastures new you have opened with him with interest).

Makes sense :bows:

 

[laureet]

Sparhawk question

I forgot to add that one of the editions used by the sanjinso in the Rykyu was the Shueki Taizen with Nanpo Bunshi "waten" but of course that is already 17th century and already Japanese influence. The true interesting is before Nanzan when both the Ryukyu and China were using knotted cords which many scholars attribute to be the roots of chinese written language and which were the initial objects used in divination following the system later organized as the Book of Changes.

 

[Tohpol]

Our opinions matter for little...but not that of the Yi Jing. So I asked: what does the Yi think of Laureet's attitude on this thread?

Nice job Sophie. :bows:

Topal

 

[Sparhawk]

You may think..like in Dao (Tao) , bvut not, while in China was heaven and earth, light and dark, in Ryukyu was dark unless intention of a spirit was making it light, heaven was the breath of earth and earth was the solidification of heaven thanks to the intention of the 10000 spirits of things, all was intention and without intention was no flow and therefore only the One, the Kun, the void. Intention was all, so the I Ching was all about intention and the readings were not about what will happen or what should I do but more about what should I try to think about, where should I put my center of attention for solving this, where I put my intention...or what is the intention of all that touches my way, how I change it and what if I cannot, what the Universe wants from me? Well, I am disgressing...

Sorry...back to material, try the Visions of the Ryukyu in its first edition you may find a couple of lines, I will check in my bookshelf and let you know...

Ah, these concepts are very interesting indeed, thanks. I found the book you recommended and will order it. If you find others, let us know.

Luis

 

[dobro p]

All that exists exist in a sea of waves and in contact with everything else, it is like the sea if you want. All that exists, when it moves produces waves which affect others and him or herself in his/her sailing through. All waves from everything else also affects your own way. A PM is done by someone who knows to read those waves you produce by your very existence and movement and draw those waves for you. Now think that a boat (you) sails through the waters needing all the time to brake the resistance of the water and create its own wave, this is how we live. But think now that you manage to draw at the front of the boat (you) and on the sea, the same pattern of waves you produce, your form in the sea, what will then happen? Simply that your boat will advance easier, with less resistance and in the direction you want to, just because you don't need to impose your wave on calm water all the time, you just sail with your wave at front of you so all is ready for minimum effort and maximum effect. That is to write your PM on your existence, to write your wave, the same you leave behind, at your front. Why to imprint it on stone, or ink? Because you can only make true what you can imagine and also everything you can imagine gets the power to become true more easy. So as much as you see your PM (wave) related with what you want to achieve, more naturally you will produce a smooth sailing. YOU are who makes the future true, NOT the PM, but only having the PM in view you are able to produce that pattern in your thoughts and spirit. That is how and why a PM works under any name given to it, why it permeates all religions and why must be personal and unique.

Thank you. Good explanation.

The Yi identifies 64 archetypal patterns of change, change being the nature of existence. That change occurs both outside a person (in constantly shifting circumstances and conditions) and within a person (in constantly shifting associations to circumstances which call up various aspects of personality - personality is multiple, not single). How does a single toki-moai deal in an effective way with the multiplicity of conditions both outside and inside?

 

[laureet]

Ah, these concepts are very interesting indeed, thanks. I found the book you recommended and will order it. If you find others, let us know.

Luis

Be aware that Visions of Ryukyu has only a few lines about Yijing in the Ryukyu mostly referred to how it was used as cloak for hidding more ancient ways practiced for divination, which resulted inb a merging of both. It has no great deal to make it worth to buy just for Yijing information, however it is a good book about the society and politic organization of the Ryukyu pre-Okinawa if that interests you. If you are interested in more about the Rykyus the book Okinawa:the history of an island people is quite good even if it speaks mostly of northern Ryukyu and has not deep information on the less known southern Ryukyu.

In Vision of the Rykyu you will see that female shamans who were in charge of divination are called yuta while male were called toki, be aware that the toki-moai didn't take the name from those toki but by the contrary, the shamans took the name of the idea of toki=time outside time. Also yuta is incorrect as it was not the real name but a more vulgar name given by others.

An interest resource to see in part how the Yijing was influenced by the Rykyu traditions (even if it is not openly said but clearly shows that influence) is in the book The Tao of I Ching: Way to Divination by Jou, Tsung Hwa, look in the timing techniques which are rarely mentioned in other Yijing books, that is typical Ryukyuan influence and way of using the Yijing, as told before, Ryukyuan view of the Universe is deeply based on the primordial influence in our lives of intention and time concepts:bows:

 

[laureet]

How does a single toki-moai deal in an effective way with the multiplicity of conditions both outside and inside?

Allegedly through adaptation, its main difference with mandala is that while mandala is static and can only flow through your flow of thought, a PM is in constant flow and dynamic making events be affected by its own wave or mark and not so much affected by them. Back to the wave analogy, if you create a wave pattern enough strong, all other waves will be changed when touching it and not viceversa as when the wave you create is too weak or no wave is created at all at front, only at back. When you throw water on a plane polished stone (a future where you have not imposed your wave yet) the water will go all around or follow the patterns of the stone itself. However, make marks on the stone (draw your wave at front) and all water falling will have the tendency to follow those marks, when more you repeat the marks, more easy the water will follow those marks when it falls on the stone, a bit like Rupert Sheldrake's repetition of nature concept. So, plurality will submit to a main central wave as events submit to a main causing influence or we submit to our predominant personality or predominant priority in our immediate future. At least this is the theory behind...:bows: