UK in the months ahead

[Lupinescent]

Hi,

I first enquired about politics and economics in what's coming and got 23uc. Stripped Away confirms my sense that - nationally if not individually - we're in for a very rough time. I've got a particular take on the way financial catastrophe will play out - leveraging the threat of collapse to justify a digitally implemented Universal Basic Income, something the Bank of England and Rishi Sunak are proponents of, meaning money allocated could not be spent as the recipient desires but is policed. Whether or not that specific outcome happens we're in for a rough ride - see insane fuel price increases, the likelihood of human rights being stripped away, and much more.

My follow-up question was about finding support and right relations in these times, and I got 35.2 to 64, thankfully a much happier picture. And I hope it's one that can apply to many assuming we can make the most of whatever horses and other gifts we've been given to help us cross the river, while keeping a weather eye out for the many forms hazard can take and be worked with.

Any thoughts that can shed light on all this are welcome.

 

[IrfanK]

I first enquired about politics and economics in what's coming and got 23uc. Stripped Away confirms my sense that - nationally if not individually - we're in for a very rough time.

Well, if I were in an optimistic mood, I'd lean on the idea that 23 is more about radical transformation than just a rough time. The superior man receives a carriage. A new order emerges. Admittedly, the actual process of transformation may make you feel as though you are being skinned alive. But there is a possibility of coming out the other side.

 

[Lupinescent]

Yes, appreciate that there is the prospect of coming out the other side. And maybe being skinned alive won't be followed by being dowsed in vinegar.

 

[Trojina]

I've got a particular take on the way financial catastrophe will play out - leveraging the threat of collapse to justify a digitally implemented Universal Basic Income, something the Bank of England and Rishi Sunak are proponents of, meaning money allocated could not be spent as the recipient desires but is policed. Whether or not that specific outcome happens we're in for a rough ride - see insane fuel price increases, the likelihood of human rights being stripped away, and much more.

Universal Basic Income would be a very humane thing, I'm not sure but think some other countries have trialled it or use it? I didn't know we were anywhere near it though? I'm a bit thrown as I watch the news intermittently but haven't seen this - unless you must mean not that this is happening but that you see it happening? (yes of course that's what you meant) But remember there just isn't the means, the labour, in place to implement policing - even the payments they have handed out thus far have gone to people who already have too much money as well as those who don't have enough because means testing would be impossible and costly.

So I don't know what you mean by the idea that UBI if ever adopted would be policed? Who would do that and how?

I'm also out of the loop regarding 'human rights being stripped away'? Which rights in particular are you thinking of ?


I'd have a hard time applying 23 as it's a global rather than personal question so it won't be the case that everyone in the UK experiences 23, and I don't think you are applying it that way. The media makes out 'the country' is experiencing this or that but individual lives don't fit their story.

 

[Trojina]

My follow-up question was about finding support and right relations in these times, and I got 35.2 to 64, thankfully a much happier picture. And I hope it's one that can apply to many assuming we can make the most of whatever horses and other gifts we've been given to help us cross the river, while keeping a weather eye out for the many forms hazard can take and be worked with.

Actually this brings to mind very much the spirit of Britannia - that image of the woman in the chariot?

'Now prospering, now apprehensive.
Constancy, good fortune.
Accepting close-woven chainmail,
Blessing from your grandmother.'

Britannia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Armada Memorial in Plymouth depicting Britannia
Britannia (/brɪˈtæniə/) is the national personification of Britain as a helmeted female warrior holding a trident and shield.




Is that not a Great Mother in chainmail or at least armour?

I recall around Brexit time getting an email from William Bloom, local sort of new age/spiritual author and teacher about his vision of Britannia.

He thinks that each country has it's own prevailing angel of that nation. During the time of the Brexit debate he had a vision of some kind of her, or an understanding that Brexit really was not just about economics but the actual spirit of Britain - she was conveying to him that a nation can get too far away from it's roots and traditions and spirit and Britain had and so it needed to come back.

I don't think he was pro leaving either. If I find it will post. It just struck me as true in the sense I felt it as true in my bones even though I voted to remain. Now if it's true each nation has a presiding Archangel then the soul of that nation is not dependent on who is Prime Minister or what the economy does.

 

[Trojina]

Ah here we are

Britannia Angel of Britain - William Bloom

Two days after the Brexit Referendum on 23 June 2016 I met Britannia, Angel of Britain.

williambloom.com

 

[Liselle]

Actually this brings to mind very much the spirit of Britannia - that image of the woman in the chariot?

'Now prospering, now apprehensive.
Constancy, good fortune.
Accepting close-woven chainmail,
Blessing from your grandmother.'

Britannia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Armada Memorial in Plymouth depicting Britannia
Britannia (/brɪˈtæniə/) is the national personification of Britain as a helmeted female warrior holding a trident and shield.

Very interesting connection, thanks ...

 

[Lupinescent]

That take on Britannia is great! Thank you!

Around the money side, this article contains the core. And while there is potential for an ethical approach to UBI that I'd love to support if it allowed money to be spent freely, the notion of it being programmable - a distinct option - makes it in effect a voucher system. It's also adjacent to the use of similar systems in China where an individual's behaviour can result in punishment or reward - eg 'no you can't travel there' - thanks to the ubiquity of digital systems sharing data.

Regarding human rights, the idea that they're an obstacle to economic growth has come up repeatedly over the last few years, and many in the current incarnation of the Tory party subscribe to that outlook. To bring things back to I Ching, it's a worldview that's materialistic to the core. Once you're in the zone of animism, and perceive life and the role of individuals in a bigger frame where interconnectedness with land and other species rather than dominion is central, things look very different. None of this omits that there are remain decent Tories about - I know some - with a humanity and respect for a social order there that, even if it's not one I subscribe to, I recognise...I'm magnanimous like that

Anyway, may Britannia - and perhaps Boudica - watch over us in the time ahead.