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So , what will happen to Trump? I see opportunity coming up for Trump to change in the future however if he does not recognise the need for change ( personal change) then he will continue to have difficulties living with himself and will seperate himself from the American people. Perhaps it is true........Once a traveller always a traveller - always having to move, always the wheeler dealer, always looking to win, always looking for approval and for a place to rest at peace within himself.
Hi LLWell the President is actually doing now - now as the question asked - what the hex to hex method of reading says.
He's travelling (56 The Traveller) to Dallas today for a roundtable discussion with (48 The Well) faith leaders, law enforcement officials and small-business owners to discuss race relations and policing, and is supposed to announce his administration’s plans “for holistic revitalization and recovery” (rebuilding the town.) Then he's having a (48 The Well) fundraising dinner.
- LL
HiRosadaI can see "Traveling" as another word for "running" and the image for 48 as a job description for a good president, "The superior man encouraging people at their work and exhorts them to help one another," so I'm seeing the question, "What will happen with Trump?" as referencing his run for president.
Trump, as the 56.The Runner for the office of 48.President will...
56.2 Travel about to various cities where he will hold rallies and gain helpers and volunteers for his campaign.
56.4 The receptions he receives are okay but he instinctively recognizes he's losing that winning feeling. (Maybe social distancing prevents the huge turnouts he's looking for? Maybe he holds the rallies in smaller venues?)
56.5 He does things that energize his base. (This sounds like he might win!)
56.6 But he takes his success for granted and as usual ends up doing something that offends people. (Even if he does win, some new scandal?)
It's always interesting to see what people respond to and what they ignore in any yijing consultation. It's certainly easier to make a story when there are no changing lines included, however I'm wondering if you can explain why 48 The Well is included twice in your interpretation? Why have you not got a second Traveller to balance things up?
I'd appreciate it if we can stick with the reading interpretations rather than veer off into the politics, especially as I don't see this as being a consultation about what will happen to trump politically.
I'm not spoiling for a fight here. Let's explore the reading shall we.So would I, and I have resisted that kind of discussion pretty hard but some people are always spoiling for a fight.
- LL
I'm not disputing that many others extol the virtue of using the hexagrams only, however for me it leaves many gaps.My Key it's an established orthodox method of reading that when there are more than 3 lines you read the hexes not the lines, and when there are 3 or less lines you read the lines and read the relating hex as context.
As I cited that is how Ewald Berker reads and his sites inteprets. I was often puzzed trying to read the second hex as outcome, but when i started reading it as context and just read lines when there are 3 or less, things really fell into place. I learned that from several readers here and it sharpened my interpretavive skills considerably. Occasionally though, context is kind of an answer in of itself.
Pocassin too would look at a reading and see two hexes and and see how changes were happening and you'd have a simple, if sometimes obvious interpretation. Sometimes it's like that. I think communication is best when kept simple, so the simpler the approach the better. Why would the Yi make what it was saying diifcult to understand? KISS, no?
Anyway 56 to 48. Yes he is traveling today. And yes he is going to the well, to his people resources and to his financial resources. The question is what he is going to do now. Well there it is.
- LL
Are you able to help define the route that takes what will happen to Trump - political or otherwise - from Hex 56 through to Hex 48?. In my way of interpreting this is the point at which the lines become important and I'm wondering how you do that without the use of the lines. Where does the content for the story of Hex 56 > Hex 48 that you see in the reading come from?
Questions are really important because they frame the answer so I went to check it out and you originally asked "How will Donald Trump do now in the November elections?"? Just what the hexes say. The question was . Do NOW.
The 56 Traveller travels.
48 is coming and going, drawing from the well.
Right NOW, that is exactly what he is doing, he has (56) travelled to Dallas, and he's meeting in a roundtable discussion with (48) human resources, and has a (48) fundraiser tonight. (two kinds of resources, human and financial.)
- LL
You also clarified to Valmar a few posts back "When I said now in my question I meant there have been all these circumstance, like "now what will happen in November?" - so it's clearly a forward looking towards November kind of qustion and some confusion exists about whether this is a 'what' or a 'how' type of question. Which ever it is it clearly looks like like the timing for the enquiry was definitely leaning towards an event in November at election time rather than an event in Dallas in June.
Valmar asked a different question than I did. I asked about November saying "do now in the November elections" meaning now = given present circumstances. My headline for the reading left the word now out actually, "How will Donald Trump do in the November elections?"
When I asked, Valmar specified his/her question was about now-now "pretty much."
You actually asked "When I said now in my question I meant there have been all these circumstance, like "now what will happen in November?"" and Valmar responded with not "pretty much." but with "Yeah" agreeing with your "now what will happen in November?"followed by "in general". So his question was to my way of thinking is basically the same as yours based on a situation in November.Valmar asked a different question than I did. I asked about November saying "do now in the November elections" meaning now = given present circumstances. My headline for the reading left the word now out actually, "How will Donald Trump do in the November elections?"
When I asked, Valmar specified his/her question was about now-now "pretty much."
>>> "How will Donald Trump do now in the November elections?"
17 unchanging. "Following." Also "Acquiring Followers."
Judgment - All judgment translations indicate a successful outcome.
Legge: Following indicates successful progress and no error through firm correctness.
Wilhelm/Baynes: Following has supreme success. Perseverance furthers. No blame.
The Image -
Legge: ...The superior man, in accordance with this, at nightfall enters his house and rests.
Wilhelm/Baynes: ...Thus the superior man at nightfall goes indoors for rest and recuperation.
Liu: ... In the evening, the superior man rests and relaxes in his home.
I interpret this to mean Trump will be successful and reelected, aquiring new followers, and do well enough to be able to relax for once, unlike the last 3 years with multiple attempts to remove him from office.
"Resting in his house" may actual be literal, the White House and Democrats could well lose the House of Representatives, so he would have Party control of both Houses Of Congress. <<<<
The Judgement
Following. Supreme success.
It is beneficial to be constant and steadfastly faithful. No blame.
"If you try to gain mastery over other people through force and fraud, or through conspiracy and connivance, you will poison social relations and breed resentment and resistance. At most you will gain control only of a faction that must suppress its opponents. If you win power through injuring others, you will have to keep injuring them to maintain your base. The injuries you do to others will not fade away; they will haunt you later on."
The Image
Thunder in the middle of the lake:
This is the image of Following.
Thus the superior person
Goes indoors at night for rest and recuperation.
I went through the original thread yesterday so am able to quote from memory. Which is lucky because when I checked back today both your post enquiring of Valmar33 and his reply no longer appear in the thread. Only you can delete your own posts unless you asked an admin person to do it for you, so it would be great if you could explain what happened there. What really intrigues me is why Valmar 33 should also want to delete their lest than 10-word post within the same 24 hour period. So strange.... any ideas?
Hi ValmarThe admin moved it to this thread, so that's why. Which is fine.
Gets more visibility... or something.
No worries Hilary. The posts that I couldn't find having seen them yesterday was Querent 77 asking for clarification of Valmar 33's question and then Valmar's short response. If you've been working your magic behind the scenes then that could well explain why they both went walkabouts at the same time.Hi Mykey,
Not sure which post is lost, but I have been moving several around as and when rows erupt about Trump. I started this thread by moving Valmar's post from one I was about to close; I've also moved several that weren't reading-related to a separate Open Space thread.
Valmar, just to clarify, was your question what will happen now at this particular time, or in November at the election? When I said now in my question I meant there have been all these circumstance, like "now what will happen in November?"
And your reading was 56.2.4.5.6>48?.....
56 to 48 sounds like 56 hitting the road on tour campaigning, and 48 going to the well which is your (human) resources.
So it sounds like your question was about now-now?
Yeah, in general.
It's interesting that you have again avoided answering my specific question about how you work specifically with the two hexagram readings. Are you able to explain to me why that is? I'd really like to see more deeply how you make your interpretations.
Thanks for the two links and for pointing out my error - somehow I'd missed them. I thought you had deleted your post and Valmar his and wondered why you might both want to do that. That is clearly not the case, I couldn't find them because I was looking in the wrong thread. I apologise for that part of my post.You perhaps might be a little more thorough before letting loose with such unwarranted - well, accusations actually.
o I think there is little value for us both in taking the exploration of your method further.
Your simplified approach works for you and I have been unable to gain from you enough information to see whether it works for me, or could work for me.
For me, lack of lines and just two hexagrams just allows too much room. There is temptation for fitting my thoughts to make the reading what I want it to be rather than having to grapple with a number of lines, hexagrams, judgements and images from which I can mould my understanding into a response from Yi. This for me allows a more challenging and productive relationship with Yi - seeing the shallow and exploring the depth. You obviously prefer the simple approach and that is fine for you. Let's agree to differ.
Yes I agree. If you check back you will find that I see it as a method you use rather than one you have invented. I have also acknowledged that using just 2 hexagrams is a valid method and it is one that I use myself. My enquiries about your using it for your 56: 2.4.5.6 <> 48 were aligned with seeing if I could glean from you as you have from others on this site. I am reluctant to discount so many changing lines and your way of working easily moves them to one side. Mybe there was something I could learn here.It's not "my method." It's establishment Dude.
I'm glad that you have been able to align your reading so perfectly for you with your Dallas-based interpretation. That's always a good feeling when we 'really get' a reading.As for temptation, you don't like a simple method because it provides you with LESS room to insert opinion.
When you simply look at the image of hexes, what the person going to DO? Uhh - 56 travel (to Dallas) and meet with (48) people for their advice and with donors for funds.
But you want the Adventures of Don Juan or the Count Of Monte Cristo. Pfft. Then ask a different question Dude. It's not like you are going to run out of coin tosses.
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