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I wonder if I might butt in here please. My recent experience with 27 makes me wonder if it means
"do what makes you feel good" I have been in a so-called 'relationship' which was making me feel insecure, unhappy, anxious, etc.,etc. I have just finished said relationship and now feel actually happy and free. I was expecting to feel very unhappy. I have read - can't remember where (I'm an oldie) that if a proposed action makes you feel good, do it, if it makes you feel bad, don't do it.
Me again - My son has been in a job where he comes home tired out and miserable, I've been advising him to leave if it makes him so unhappy. He has now been sacked (for the first time in his life) I suggest that he writes down every single thing he can do, then mark off the things he would not like to do until he comes to the one that he feels "mmm I could really enjoy doing that" then look for a job doing that.
Might that be a useful thing for Ashteroid to do? Isn't happiness the best nourishment.
Certainly. What makes you feel good is generally what is nourishing to you, particularly in relationships. I agree with what you say, my only reservation is one could not always say that as sometimes harmful things make us feel good....like drugs/alcohol/junk food...But then again those things don't truly make one feel good do they, in the end they cause suffering. But yes I think this idea complements my thoughts about 27uc asking if it's necessary....and often if it makes us feel good then it's necessary...or worth pursuing.
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I have read - can't remember where (I'm an oldie) that if a proposed action makes you feel good, do it, if it makes you feel bad, don't do it.
I wonder if I might butt in here please. My recent experience with 27 makes me wonder if it means
"do what makes you feel good" I have been in a so-called 'relationship' which was making me feel insecure, unhappy, anxious, etc.,etc. I have just finished said relationship and now feel actually happy and free. I was expecting to feel very unhappy. I have read - can't remember where (I'm an oldie) that if a proposed action makes you feel good, do it, if it makes you feel bad, don't do it.
What makes you think Ashteroid is her son. She hasn't said that....she was just referring to a post by Ash in this thread as far as I can see. You know, she spoke about her son and then spoke about Ashteroid but they are not the same person.
And there's also your 27uc parking nightmare.
Ah well I think I swallowed that particular boiled sweet....I think Yi was leapfrogging the parking and asking if it was necessary to go at all !
I don't see reverse psychology here, either, since the notion of "is it necessary to go at all" didn't occur to you at the time, according to what you wrote.
You ended up feeling exhilarated and triumphant for having gone. Why would the Yi have made a lukewarm attempt to talk you out of it, and changed your subject in the process?
I want to know why Yi answers as it does because it's germane to understanding what it's saying. I mean, it's saying something, presumably something worth our attention, and I don't want to start a habit of fluffing it off as if it makes no difference, or by saying, "Ah well, it's on a 'higher plane,'" when I don't understand something. Can't we start with the idea that it's actually trying to communicate to us?
So why not just give you the information? It's entirely up to you what to then do with it.
Another way of looking at this is not so much even "why" Yi answers a certain way, as wondering if readings like this are actually addressing the actual question, and we're just missing something.
In the end it's my reading and how I perceive it. I can't give you that perception. I'm not aiming for you to agree with me on my experience. We won't be able to always see how others come to the understanding they do...
I don't just want information. If I wanted information I could find it the usual way, by speaking to someone or something.
Although, it's not impossible for people to be wrong, sometimes, about even their own readings, is it?
in a discussion about an example in which you actually were asking for factual information, from - as I said - the only source who had it. You couldn't speak to someone or something about it, other than the I Ching. It wasn't possible.
So though I wouldn't usually ask this I asked Yi for parking advice that night and got 27 uc. That was no help at all as I didn't know what it meant.
And actually, I think explaining our readings is part of what we're here for. It's frustrating if we're not supposed to ask people for explanations when we don't understand what they've said, or if we have legitimate concerns about their interpretations. That's different from insisting they're wrong (which...may be how I've come across in this discussion ).
I usually ask my self "if this is what I think yi says, what could be the opposite idea". Its not always useful approach, and adds more confusion most of the times because actually to return to a "no-answer" stage , yet seen both sides , examine the situation from various angles could be of some help, imo
No I was not asking for information. As you can see below I was asking for advice This was my question. Advice can come on any level. I wasn't going to Yi for parking information I was asking for advice to me on my overall attitude/approach etc etc
I often understand answers in the way I'd read a poem. If you try to narrow a poem down to what the precise meaning is you kill it off stone cold dead.
I do remember that, and how you had to tell me you didn't want to discuss it very much. You also made the good point that too much discussion or explanation might have privacy implications for some people, or be more emotionally intense than they wanted to engage in. (If I remember correctly without checking.)Actually I recall when I posted a poem in the poetry thread you asked me to explain it....and I did a bit but I don't think I needed to or should have
So if the second two readings were addressing the parking issue, then it seems unlikely to me that your first reading about parking would be the non-sequitur, "You'll be really nourished by the performance!" or "Is it necessary for you to go at all?" (A non-sequitur in light of the second two readings, and a non-sequitur as an answer to your first question given that going was a decision you'd already made and were not debating with yourself, according to what you wrote here.)
I'm going to be horribly blunt and say that I think you are so appalled that you asked the I Ching mundane questions about parking, that you are loathe to acknowledge that it might have actually answered them!
Fine, but poems are widely expected to have non-pin-downable meanings, to mean different things to different people, and so forth. Readings are specific questions, followed by responses to them. (Of course, some questions are more poetic than others...)
Good suggestion. Sometimes I do insert other little words like "If...then..." or whatever into the text to see if it helps it to make more sense. "Consider this" is a good one.I generally precede Yi's answers with a "consider this", rather than always expecting an absolute clear-cut answer.
Considering Lisa's Xacto knife example, a tissue or napkin is usually a receptacle, a sort of open jaws (it ate the blade right out of the knife handle), at least in this case it was. If Lisa considered the last receptacle the knife was placed into, the tissue may have come to mind. I don't think there's another hexagram which would offer a more descriptive answer than 27, though it's understandable that it was still a riddle to complete. If the blade or knife had gone into the garbage can, then I'd consider that as a likely meaning.
58.3-43 could be like saying "you're cold, looking in the wrong place - listen to what I'm saying."
Another possibly longer shot may have also been that by moving normally closed spaces on the counter top, she'd have opened them up, which is what wound up happening.
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