51.3>55 Is there anything I can do to effect a positive change for my relationship?

I decided to change the question and thought this could be one nice question..

Is there anything I can do that would effect a positive change in my broken relationship? What it is?

51.3>55

Thank you!
I will be looking for my own interpretations also.

I am wondering if shock refers to the shock ofn this last months, when we got the impasse and separated and then maybe now should be the light? How ?
51.Jolt
Just as a clap of thunder brings a jolt to the sky, this hexagram signifies the imminence of a powerful jolt to one's love life. Something will shake up your world! You're about to fall down a rabbit hole, and although a little fear may arise at the start, you'll be glad you went on this adventure. It brings a return of "creative juice", energy, love, and passion. This is a time when fear will transform into excitement and anticipation. Someone (perhaps an old flame?) is likely to say or do something that catches you off guard. Surprise that person right back. Share yourself in a new way, reveal a little known secret, or do something out of your usual pattern. Connection and clarity will emerge soon enough. New solutions will appear before you. Your love life is about to take a quantum leap into a new light -- but you're going to have to think outside the box. "Jolt" yourself.

51.3

55 line 3 the full effect of the eclipse has taken effect, now the light will come again, and we can see clearly the way ahead. If the question is abour relationships, the answer will reflect this. Hexagram 55 is the eldest son over the middle daughter. The middle daughter is very perceptive, and the eldest son leads, so there is clarity in leadership. The male and the female work together. Hexagram 51 tells us how to deal with shocking situations gracefully.
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The changes to line 3 indicate: "Awakening to Thunder" - Embrace any sense of shock and watch how it then becomes your ally. Expect to start fresh with someone.
55
This fortuitous hexagram implies an abundance of excitement and unconditional love in your life. Like lightning piercing through clouds, love can strike with incredible speed and force at this time. You have someone's eye. Be ready for spectacular fireworks! Passion, fun, and celebration are all headed your way. However, the wise person knows that love's flames need nurturing. Don't just go for the quick flight. Seek deeper to the source of love in your own heart. This is where the true abundant supply comes from. This is where the fire is, where the dance and celebration are experienced. By all means enjoy the chemistry of the moment, but wherever you are, whoever you are with, connect with yourself first. Be aware of the wellspring of love in your own heart, and your entire romantic life will be transformed. You are your own best treasure. What you seek is within you -- and always has been.

From the forum past posts:

51.1 alluded to general shock/thunder, things will be shaken up but positive result will come. And line 3 intimates "we should go along with the loudness of the shock rather than revert to a normal calm state..." (from Sofia here: http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/frien...ead.php?t=8119)

So that implies: don't act calm and collected, which to me implies share my own feelings (dont hide them). But to what degree is not clear

The first line suggests friendliness and casual attitude while line 51.3 suggests that destiny is at work which will make him more interested in doing/saying something. So the whole thing would require that he takes process step by step.??
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From old posts:
'm still a bit confused about the lines since 5.1 talks about a bit of a shock in the first instance and I see the destiny bit in 51.3 but I'm wondering whether it's that he knows/realises there's destiny at work and that's what will spur him on, or whether there just is destiny at work and that's what's going to spur him into doing/saying something.

From an Iching Book
In hexagram 51 we are at the explicit moment when one detects a transition from stillness to movement. An arousing influence that inspires one to action. In the image, the feelings of anxiety and fear are enhanced in the people by the powers that be, such that any change in the environment will trigger these emotions and the change is thus quickly detected. Contextually, we combine inspiration with disentanglement (independence) to get a moment of enlightenment and awareness.

In the senses world arrangement this hexagram becomes the beginning as well as symbolizing birth. Hexagram 51 deals with a sense of beginning, newness.

Hexagram 51 is the opposite of hexagram 57 in that 51 reflects enlightenment/awareness as as BEGINNING state, whereas 57 reflects the results of cultivation and becoming influential and so a more ENDING state. As such 51 is more 'in your face' regarding change - it is sudden and immediate whereas 57 is like the wind and can 'sneak up' upon you, reflecting change in context that forces change in the individual - the focus in 51 is more confronting, reflecting a sudden thundering rather than a gentle wind that is rising
Maybe this is my answer?
The goal of 51 is hexagram 16 (or 'how do I 16? - 51' - how do I plan, foresee? through awareness of all possibilities, 'new' insights)

but how???um
It seems telling me that now that I am more calm, I will be able to see how to react? too vague..
The trigram of Thunder reflects raw Production. The focus is on a raw/new product - be it an idea or thing 'suddenly' coming into being.

51 is the goal of 40 (or 'how do I 51? - 40' How do I become 'enlightened/aware'? through the 'sudden' release of tensions)

A combination of problem solving (21) and bringing something into the light (35) is expressed in the focus upon enlightenment/awareness in hexagram 51.

Yes, thank you but how? Maybe I have just to wait for him? In am doing well? Um

Slap his face and shout "wake up!"



Then kiss him and walk away.

chortle..

just make sure to have some soothing music playing in the background . . you don't wanna get him running away scared!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GT1ivTDD7A&feature=related

sooo said:

Slap his face and shout "wake up!"

Then kiss him and walk away.

chortle..

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I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!

rodaki said:

just make sure to have some soothing music playing in the background . . you don't wanna get him running away scared!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GT1ivTDD7A&feature=related

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I already sent this to all my friend, this is a fantastic video! awesome! I enjoyed LOT!

Tks!

elias said:

http://youtu.be/la_uqgHBEb8

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Thank you....

Really enjoyed all your posts, made me laugh at myself lot..

hi cristal
truth is I come quite close to running like that these days, there seem to be all the more things that need to be done piling and piling -or maybe that's just me doing taxes(!)

anyway, I only have one very clear instance of your 51.3 and it wasn't a very happy one I must say . . it did help to clarify some things though. I wonder if your reading was actually answering your question or pointing to how you have to get over your own shock and keep your spirits high. 55 sometimes makes me think of the phrase 'the king is dead, long live the king', it's such a mix of good and bad that can make it hard to separate which is what . . . or, maybe it's simply advising you to laugh the shock away and keep moving -which I guess you've already done

rodaki said:

hi cristal
truth is I come quite close to running like that these days, there seem to be all the more things that need to be done piling and piling -or maybe that's just me doing taxes(!)

anyway, I only have one very clear instance of your 51.3 and it wasn't a very happy one I must say . . it did help to clarify some things though. I wonder if your reading was actually answering your question or pointing to how you have to get over your own shock and keep your spirits high. 55 sometimes makes me think of the phrase 'the king is dead, long live the king', it's such a mix of good and bad that can make it hard to separate which is what . . . or, maybe it's simply advising you to laugh the shock away and keep moving -which I guess you've already done

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Yes, the first thing I thought was that the shock was referring to the real strong I already lived not long ago, and then I thought, something new would appear in my life with this change I am ordering myself.I mean my question was if I could do something positive for my relationship and I guess the answer was, yes. Embrace the darkness of the chaos as best as you can, re-gain your balance and get ready to start fresh with him. What I want with him is to stay as real friends but he needs to open to it.Probably is what I read in one of the readings,"get ready to start fresh with somebody", and I guess it refers to him, because the question was about us. But probably refer that we will start afresh as friends nothing else. I believe is possible, but again.,.he needs to accept it.
I am looking forward to see how develop my situation and compare with the readings, I wonder if most people do like that or they dont? Will be nice to verify the accuracy of interpretations seeing how develop the situations.
Thank you, and I really enjoyed the video! music and the Lizard was fantastic!

rodaki said:

hi cristal
truth is I come quite close to running like that these days, there seem to be all the more things that need to be done piling and piling -or maybe that's just me doing taxes(!)

anyway, I only have one very clear instance of your 51.3 and it wasn't a very happy one I must say . . it did help to clarify some things though. I wonder if your reading was actually answering your question or pointing to how you have to get over your own shock and keep your spirits high. 55 sometimes makes me think of the phrase 'the king is dead, long live the king', it's such a mix of good and bad that can make it hard to separate which is what . . . or, maybe it's simply advising you to laugh the shock away and keep moving -which I guess you've already done

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....won't you share please...I have an interest in 51.3 right now you could enlighten me

of course if it very personal i guess you can't...but the gist ?

I see it in relationship terms sometimes as when you just don't know how to take someone...one minute they are all over you in pure besotted devotion next minute they act like they never saw you before....each time they shift theres a shock...its a shock when they act like they like you and its a shock when they act like they don't...its hard to operate at all with this dynamic...yet it should be stirring one to action ? its hard to take action when you are dealing with a revolving door person. Just as you recover from them slamming the door in your face they are standing there with a bunch of flowers.......

....whats the deal ? Dora may know

'what's the deal' is exactly what it was about in my case too . . and you know at first I said nothing cause I thought I might be misunderstanding or not seeing something. Thing is, there's a lot I can conjecture about people who can't seem to take into consideration and respond to the wishes and needs of the person across the table but I think there's not much to share in the end with someone who's so wrapped up in their own perception of what's fine and not. The only way I have found to react to this is by minimizing both my involvement and expectations to a level where me and my health don't get harmed . . you, know, light and easy. Of course that doesn't make much in terms of a deep or intimate connection but, you know, maybe the person said is acting like this because they don't really want something more than that -or they can't engage like that for their own reasons . . . and that's absolutely fine, noone can twist another's arm into answering our expectations -and even if we could, it would take out all the genuine juice of the give-and-take relating is all about . .

in any case, I'm sorry to hear you find yourself in a situation like that, it doesn't sound very nice . . but there is a real catch in this; it's finding out what are your own buttons that get pushed in this childish game -now that's really Great . .

hmm, I just figured that you probably don't need my advice in this, you know better than me how to handle it but I just thought I'd remind you cause sometimes our mothering instincts overwhelm our own voice . .

be well!

Its interesting we both had a similar experience here....I don't know why but I tended to think of 51.3 as as strong buffeting but invigorating wind...even though wind trigram not present. But the 57 wind is gentle, penetrating...i feel 51 has stronger gusts...not quite storm but I like strong winds, especially the sound of them...

...anyway I'd never thought of 51.3 in connection with 'childish games'.. I've a feeling the 51.3 is the feelings the sudden winds generate....but talking of childish games, kids love a very windy day, they go crazy, get buffeted, almost knocks them down...but they get up again

maybe thats what we have to do for 51.3 we just http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LODkVkpaVQA

chumawamba?? lol

but you can (or want to) do this only until it becomes irrelevant. You have a point about the 'childish games', I should have said 'children's games'. That actually shows how serious these are. My guess is that they are the games we all had made up as kids to handle our first experiences of loss and mourning . . in a way, you could say that this pattern is in fact part of some growing process (remember Freud's fort/da? That was based on the similar dynamic of coming-and-going. Freud had made it to be specifically about one thing but I believe the game applied in a more general symbolic play of loss and survival. Perhaps radical events like that of birth (which in my eyes is probably the most traumatic of our lives) are being worked out in 'games' like that one. Does that sound too dramatic? Maybe so, but it's the same as with readings, if the patterns of movement correspond then we just have to adjust the highs and lows to make them legible.

There are many ways we play these games and varying degrees to which we acknowledge and incorporate the other's presence in playing them and there is a lot of life born out of these games too. That's why they can be so seductive or addictive -even more so when one's game engages the other's in ways that are rewarding for both. Then again, if you have seen this played out before, you might have outgrown it, making it simply irrelevant cause it leaves you unengaged. Then instead of the fall-and-get-up-again you might want to look into more co-operative games, games of more peaceful balances. Btw, I also love strong winds but I really enjoy them when they make me fly instead of knocking me down . .

but all's fair game if it's good for those who play it (as they say, each to their own )

rodaki said:

chumawamba?? lol

but you can (or want to) do this only until it becomes irrelevant. You have a point about the 'childish games', I should have said 'children's games'. That actually shows how serious these are. My guess is that they are the games we all had made up as kids to handle our first experiences of loss and mourning . . in a way, you could say that this pattern is in fact part of some growing process (remember Freud's fort/da? That was based on the similar dynamic of coming-and-going. Freud had made it to be specifically about one thing but I believe the game applied in a more general symbolic play of loss and survival. Perhaps radical events like that of birth (which in my eyes is probably the most traumatic of our lives) are being worked out in 'games' like that one. Does that sound too dramatic? Maybe so, but it's the same as with readings, if the patterns of movement correspond then we just have to adjust the highs and lows to make them legible.

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I can relate 51.3 to that, loss and survival then loss again, then survival again and amisdt all that one keeps on growing. I can't say I've a very clear idea of 51.3...except of being buffeted and surviving. It says 'if it stirs one to action theres no mistake' so presumably the idea is one must not stay down for long buffeted or not

There are many ways we play these games and varying degrees to which we acknowledge and incorporate the other's presence in playing them and there is a lot of life born out of these games too. That's why they can be so seductive or addictive -even more so when one's game engages the other's in ways that are rewarding for both. Then again, if you have seen this played out before, you might have outgrown it, making it simply irrelevant cause it leaves you unengaged. Then instead of the fall-and-get-up-again you might want to look into more co-operative games, games of more peaceful balances. Btw, I also love strong winds but I really enjoy them when they make me fly instead of knocking me down . .

but all's fair game if it's good for those who play it (as they say, each to their own

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I wasn't sure the revovlving door experience was always a game...sometimes it could be one is so internally sensitised to someone one notices each and every gesture on their part so its seems more extreme, more dramatic,,,giving rise to inner shock/ bewilderment...but could actually just be someone not saying hello one day that makes one very I often find 51 comes up around those tense infatuation like situations where every little move counts.

Interpersonal games are like colds...the older you get the more immunity you gather...hopefully as in 'oh yeah its the hot/cold game, played that before, ain't playing that no more'

I 'm not saying this 'revolving door' as you called it is a deliberate game someone designs and practices, I think we're often unaware about such patterns cause they get internalized and we follow them almost instinctively after a point. If you think that you might be over riding someone's behaviour though, then it could be that there's a part in your life where you experience anxiety and you channel it into this, ie, you turn them into your wooden reel -that's why I mentioned there are many ways and varying degrees to which we actually acknowledge the other's presence and role. Or it could be that you're both employing some self-defensive mechanism which shows up in this dynamic.

Whatever it is, it's good to know your own game cause then you can be clear in how to better handle things, what works for you and what not, which can be the real treat in this. I mean, you might find out you don't want to handle the situation at all, or find a different way to solve it or make progress through it but despite the obvious outcome, as long as you can use your interaction to gain insight and expand your understanding of yourself, then it hasn't been a waste.

And . . interpersonal games?? I think they are the foundation and spring in any relating . . Flirting is one of them, loving is in fact an interpersonal game, as much as pushing each others buttons or getting annoyed or having the same argument over and over -it's all about the patterns that make the relationship itself; how these are formed and played and how we feel about them or what we get out of playing them decides whether the relating is worthwhile to persist or not . . . I think an important part is what are you getting out of it, cause I have found that no matter what we might try to give to people they'll receive it more easily if it's what they want -even subconsciously- to get

rodaki said:

I 'm not saying this 'revolving door' as you called it is a deliberate game someone designs and practices, I think we're often unaware about such patterns cause they get internalized and we follow them almost instinctively after a point. If you think that you might be over riding someone's behaviour though, then it could be that there's a part in your life where you experience anxiety and you channel it into this, ie, you turn them into your wooden reel -that's why I mentioned there are many ways and varying degrees to which we actually acknowledge the other's presence and role. Or it could be that you're both employing some self-defensive mechanism which shows up in this dynamic.

Whatever it is, it's good to know your own game cause then you can be clear in how to better handle things, what works for you and what not, which can be the real treat in this. I mean, you might find out you don't want to handle the situation at all, or find a different way to solve it or make progress through it but despite the obvious outcome, as long as you can use your interaction to gain insight and expand your understanding of yourself, then it hasn't been a waste.

And . . interpersonal games?? I think they are the foundation and spring in any relating . . Flirting is one of them, loving is in fact an interpersonal game, as much as pushing each others buttons or getting annoyed or having the same argument over and over -it's all about the patterns that make the relationship itself; how these are formed and played and how we feel about them or what we get out of playing them decides whether the relating is worthwhile to persist or not . . . I think an important part is what are you getting out of it, cause I have found that no matter what we might try to give to people they'll receive it more easily if it's what they want -even subconsciously- to get

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I was reading very interested your posts. I think there are two different things, there are the games played by healthy individuals who do not want to get more involved than playing, and the games played by people who is emotionally very ill and they have so much fear that they do not know how to abbandon the game themselves started it. They hurt others and play with the others but in fact they are suffering more than the one they hurt. Itsnt really a child game, it is a terrible scenary of deceit, lies, selfishness and more. All inner illness of the player;

I think this games in adults are happening more in the new continent than in the old and I am not sure the why. I think there is a much healthier emotional life in the old side of the world than in the new. I wonder why.

In any case, my situation started to open after that reading and it became more important than ever to read again.. To see bes next steps, I am starting to gain my balance and life back, I dont want to lose it again, I need to find the way how to stay near to a sick person that I love without becoming ill myself..:bag:

hi cristal,

good to know you're getting over your 51/55, I saw your other thread on this too . .

wishing the best for you and your friend!

Cristal - i just received 51.3>55 and was wondering how things turned out with you in relation to this Hex. Was the shock the relatioship ending or did something exciting or upsetting happen after you drew this oracle?

I had reecently a 51.3 > 55
I was wondering how long it is valid, ihih...
I had a bit of a shock, but it came to nothing, after all... And i didn't feel yet the sense of enlightenment that should come with 51...