Yes, who wants to? It's time consuming, there is no guarantee you will win, and you are immersed in conflict... So, why do I want to sue someone? Here's the story. The short version. I had a Juvederm injection done recently, a cosmetic filler I get put in my cheeks to plump them up a little. Lasts about a year. I get this done by an aesthetician at a plastic surgeon's office.

I ended up with an allergic reaction to this stuff, a nasty infection, and the most excruciating pain I have ever experienced in my life. Trigeminal nerve pain... Yikes!!! Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemyuch:! The office where I had this procedure done kept brushing me off, telling me the symptoms I was having were normal, but I'd never had them before. And this is like the 6th time I have had this done... I went to the urgent care center twice, the day of the procedure because I was in severe pain, and a few days later since the swelling had increased significantly and I was still having some strange symptoms... on the second visit the doctor there insisted I go back to the plastic surgeon's office and have him look at it. She called the office and got me in for an appointment. The doctor prescribed me an antibiotic, Clindamycin. The next night I was in the ER as the swelling appeared to be growing still and had shifted to my temple. I feared the infection may have spread to my brain, and a CAT scan was ordered... It didn't show any abcess or other problems luckily, and the next day I started to see some improvement. It seems to have worked on the infection, but I'm still having some pain.

I've spoken to a few doctors about this, and they both agree that the lady who did the injection was negligent and hit a nerve in my face. Not to mention, they gave me some horrid infection and now I have this crap in my face that I'm allergic to... Without even bringing the subject up, I was encouraged to sue by the one doctor I spoke with. She said the infection in my face/eye area could have killed me, that the infection could have moved to my brain through my eye, the lady who did the injection messed up hitting a nerve in my face, and that it sounds like they just brushed me off, which they did. And I really don't know what the long term ramifications could be here for my health. I talked to a lawyer, and he said it sounds like a viable case. But, I don't take this decision lightly.

I asked "What should I do about a lawsuit against Dr. X?" and I got 37.1.6>39... I read that as quickly get organized (37), get planning (37), and get a lawyer (39). But 39 is also obstacles...

So, I asked the Yi, "Should I sue X or not?" I know it's not the best way to word the question. I got 21.1.4.6>2

21 is about doling out punishment, so I'm seeing this as a yes. Especially after looking at line 4... It suggests I will come out on top in the end, that there is something to be gained, and that my opponents have it coming. I think it's saying I will have to bite through a lot of obstacles here. Line 6 implies there is something I'm not hearing here though.... And line 1 sort of sounds like I shouldn't pursue this. Any ideas anyone...

I also asked "What is the consequence of suing?" and I got 24 UC

I'm taking this as a positive. That I will see some light return to this situation.

And asked "What is the consequence of not suing?" and got 10 UC

I'm not sure what to make of this... I will have to be careful I guess. That this could come back to bite me maybe, that my opponent is stronger than me...

Seems to be a lot of biting here... Biting through, threat of being bitten...

Sorry so long. Any ideas on this one are greatly appreciated:bows::bows::bows:. Really not sure what the best course of action is here. Thanks everyone:bows:.

Sincerely ,
DWF

Hi DWF with Hex 37.1.6>39 I think Hex 39 is advising to seek professional advise on the matter so that you don't obstruct clear thinking on the matter.

Hex 37 represents a healthy situation within a clan and I think Line 1 is suggesting you may have to compromise or meet them halfway on the matter but by keeping your thoughts correct and not getting carried away with wanting more than is the right compensation for this you will actually draw a better result Line 6. Hex 24 - will give bring a time of return to lightess in yourself. - LIss

Thank you Liss... That is a very good angle on this that I missed. So, just don't get carried away.... And I'm glad to hear you see 39 as consult a lawyer as well:bows: Seems to point to a settlement, one both sides feel is fair. I hope so:bows:

Wow, Ferret One, sorry to hear this. I'm near speechless, and down inside angry. I have a real "thing" with the whole western medical profession, with exceptions. Maybe my angry response to it taints my interpretation, but I think I'm considering more the toll such a battle can have on you. So I agree with Liss' answer, to seek a good attorney. But I would add one thing to that. I would give the case to an attorney or firm to resolve, with the understanding that you won't be bothered with it until the matter is settled. If you win, to generously commission them and be done with it. If you lose, they get nothing. It sure seems open/shut to me, and I'm just a layman, not a law man. I'm not litigious by nature. I've never sued anyone or any company in my life, but to me this sounds so black and white, as you describe it, I interpret 21 in its most punitive sense. However, 21.6 leads me to think that this can get tied up for a very long time. That's why it would all be contingent upon a professional/company to take it on and deal with, and be compensated according to their result.

Of course you can always toilet paper them.

http://www.realself.com/review/atlanta-juvederm-hospitalized-infection-month-iv-antibiotics
injection horror stories

I am bothered by not being able to find the statistics for such events.

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Wow, Ferret One, sorry to hear this. I'm near speechless, and down inside angry. I have a real "thing" with the whole western medical profession, with exceptions. Maybe my angry response to it taints my interpretation, but I think I'm considering more the toll such a battle can have on you. So I agree with Liss' answer, to seek a good attorney. But I would add one thing to that. I would give the case to an attorney or firm to resolve, with the understanding that you won't be bothered with it until the matter is settled. If you win, to generously commission them and be done with it. If you lose, they get nothing. It sure seems open/shut to me, and I'm just a layman, not a law man. I'm not litigious by nature. I've never sued anyone or any company in my life, but to me this sounds so black and white, as you describe it, I interpret 21 in its most punitive sense. However, 21.6 leads me to think that this can get tied up for a very long time. That's why it would all be contingent upon a professional/company to take it on and deal with, and be compensated according to their result.

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I agree with Meng here too and Meng the underlined about Western medicine it is an ongoing angst in my mind and unfortunately I can get a bit carried away and on my soapbox when I meet people who don't turn to alternative FIRST and FOREMOST!!

Tom that bothers me too.
Anyway hope you both have a joyous day - Liss

Six line layout for 21.1.4.6 to 2 To sue
出生时间：年　性别：女　起卦方式：直接指定
起卦时间：2012年07月03日23时12分
起卦农历：壬辰年五月十五日子时

神煞：天乙—酉亥　福星—子戌　日禄—巳　羊刃—午　驿马—申　桃花—卯　华盖—戌
干支：壬辰年　丙午月　丙寅日　戊子时
旬空：午未　　寅卯　　戌亥　　午未


六神　 伏神 　　　巽宫：火雷噬嗑　　　　　　　　坤宫：坤为地（六冲）
　　　　　　　　　【本　卦】　　　　　　　　　　　【变　卦】
青龙　　　　　　　▅▅▅▅▅　子孙己巳火　　○→　▅▅　▅▅　官鬼癸酉金　世
玄武　　　　　　　▅▅　▅▅　妻财己未土　世　　　▅▅　▅▅　父母癸亥水　　
白虎　　　　　　　▅▅▅▅▅　官鬼己酉金　　○→　▅▅　▅▅　妻财癸丑土　　
滕蛇　　　　　　　▅▅　▅▅　妻财庚辰土　　　　　▅▅　▅▅　兄弟乙卯木　应
勾陈　　　　　　　▅▅　▅▅　兄弟庚寅木　应　　　▅▅　▅▅　子孙乙巳火　　
朱雀　　　　　　　▅▅▅▅▅　父母庚子水　　○→　▅▅　▅▅　妻财乙未土　　
Hexagram 21 is the dispute hexagram. One may win if one is persistent, and there is a shortage of funds to achieve the ultimate objective.
Three change lines mean that the situation is unstable. The querent’s mind is not focused in casting the reading.
All yang line are the change line, resulting in an all yin line hexagram 2. For lawsuit, it is best to compromise because not much chance in winning

Hexagram is one of the 8 pure hexagrams (six conflict hexagram). If it is for lawsuit, there will be no hearing or lawsuit, the matter has to settle by itself or simply disintegrate.

Line 5 = host line = you. This is coupled to the month of the reading, you hesitate in filing a law suite.
Line 2 = guest line, them. Line 2 5 element sits under the month of reading. The other party is not comfortable and will not want a litigation in court. Line 2: they may behave very tough (backed by the same wood element of the day of the reading), but they are also afraid (wood appears under the month)
Both are yin lines, no one wants a litigation court case.

Now we look at the officer/ghost line = line 4 of hexagram 21 = judge of the case.

Line 4 is metal, line 2 is wood. Metal suppresses wood. Therefore, the other party will lose the case. However, metal is weak in the summer. It will be at least Aug/Sept that the metal strength picks up. The next problem is line 4 is a change line. The judge is hold back by the change line (money). This means no quick settlement.

Line 1 is the evidence of the case. The evidence is in favour of you because the damage is with your body (change line to you).

Line 3 and 5 represents money/wealth. If line 5 is host line, then the argument is in favor of you. It may also represents the funds that you have to spend in litigation.

Line 2 is the guest line (brother line). This means financial loss to the other party.

I do not think that there is a court case, you may end up reaching some type of settlement and the case dissolves itself.

Line 6 is the child line that suppresses and controls the judge in the cases. It may also mean capital that suppresses the judge’s activity.

In conclusion, you do not have the resources to really sue them in the court of law. A lawyer may help to seek certain compensation for you if you act tough. You have to strike a deal in which you do not have to pay your lawyer regardless of win or lose.

Lawyers (Barristers) are expensive and bill by the hour. Best time to force a settlement is September, month of the metal.

You are not organized in thoughts towards this situation. This is reflected in both hexagram. You have gather and file you evidence in many small paragraph form (like an affidavit). You may have to draft this yourself before discussing with a lawyer. Evidence of visit, pictures, misconduct of medical professional must be shown as exhibits in that affidavit or supporting document. Talking is cheap and if thoughts are not organized, one can rarely win when there is a cross-examination. This fall back document is required.

For someone to represent you, you need to have those info put together yourself. Your legal staff can edit it, but you are the victim and only you know how they have treated you.

Thank you so much everyone for your replies...

I'm going to reply to everyone in separate posts though. My penchant for emotives can not be quelled, and will never be able to fit all the faces I feel in one post here. Meng, an ironic name for someone so skilled with IC interpretation. Thank you so much for your empathy and insights:bows:... You are always able to relate IC jibberish to my query, and explain what it means in an intelligible way. Here is what you wrote...

Wow, Ferret One, sorry to hear this. I'm near speechless, and down inside angry. I have a real "thing" with the whole western medical profession, with exceptions. Maybe my angry response to it taints my interpretation, but I think I'm considering more the toll such a battle can have on you. So I agree with Liss' answer, to seek a good attorney. But I would add one thing to that. I would give the case to an attorney or firm to resolve, with the understanding that you won't be bothered with it until the matter is settled. If you win, to generously commission them and be done with it. If you lose, they get nothing. It sure seems open/shut to me, and I'm just a layman, not a law man. I'm not litigious by nature. I've never sued anyone or any company in my life, but to me this sounds so black and white, as you describe it, I interpret 21 in its most punitive sense. However, 21.6 leads me to think that this can get tied up for a very long time. That's why it would all be contingent upon a professional/company to take it on and deal with, and be compensated according to their result.

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I'm down inside angry too, Meng... I believe malpractice lawyers typically do work on a percentage of your winnings basis, like a commission, and that is the only way this case is going anywhere, because as Long Yi has correctly intuited, I'm flat broke... Yes, I think you are right about consulting an organization. I'm getting the feeling now I need a big lawyer and a big firm, maybe to help level the playing field a bit? This is a prominent member of the medical community, and I'm sure he'll have an arsenal at his disposal. I don't really know the ins and outs of malpractice laws either... I am also a layman (woman, whatever) not a law man... But in my own personal life philosophy, the law dictates justice, compassion, and a good toilet papering:. LOL, Meng, LMAO!!! I think I dated this guy with the motorized TP gun... Used to like to take pictures of me angry and post them on his facebook page ... In the end , would always end up laughing at me too Well if I decide TP is in order, I'll be loading my motorized paint roller with something a little more controversial :demon:...





Figuratively speaking of course.... Let's not get crazy here... Take that evil empire of plastic surgery!!! And this!!! Thanks for the input:bows:. I'm looking into big law firms starting tonight.

Is there anything you don't know about Pocossin? Do you know God? Do you two get together and play chess or something on the weekend? LOL, yes, that is the stuff, and that is sort of what I looked like, but like 10 times worse... Looked like someone really big punched me in the face, and that is what most people thought. That I was in some abusive relationship or had a bar fight or something... Yes, I am also bothered by the unavailability of stats on such incidents... Just another let down in the world of medicine, but this one takes the cake. I've been nonplussed by some doctors in the past, but no one has come close to killing me until recently... Thankfully I have a good GP. They are worth their weight in gold nowadays.

I agree with Meng here too and Meng the underlined about Western medicine it is an ongoing angst in my mind and unfortunately I can get a bit carried away and on my soapbox when I meet people who don't turn to alternative FIRST and FOREMOST!!

Tom that bothers me too.
Anyway hope you both have a joyous day - Liss

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Thanks Liss.. I am a big proponent of alternative medicine myself, but unfortunately, there is no alternative to hyaluronic acid fillers. Probably because you aren't treating anything with them... They aren't really "medicine." Unless you consider wrinkles a disease They are a unique product, and there may be some great ways to enhance beauty naturally, but it's not going to do what fillers do. At least, not from my experience. I have to say, until this incident, I really loved them. I think the major problem here was the medical professionals handling my health were negligent. I do know of an ayurvedic aesthetician in the area though, and I'm considering that for future cosmetic concerns... If you do know of any tricks to naturally plump up your skin, please, feel free to share. I haven't found any that really work that great...

dancing white ferret said:

the medical professionals handling my health were negligent.

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As well as indifferent to your suffering, from the sound of it.

It's certainly not exclusive to cosmetic care, but it does seem to be more of a "use at your own risk" insinuation. And that's not right. Even a Tattoo artist is not exempt from sterilization requirements, nor from liability resulting from infections or unprofessional practices. One would think invasive cosmetic procedures should be held at least as accountable and liable.

I believe they can be held accountable. At least in this case. It's just a question of wether or not you are willing to put in the time and the effort to enforce the rules. In this case I am. I really trusted these people, and have been going there for years... Am friendly with the lady who does the injections. I have to admit, I'm shocked. It's the first time I have ever called with any problem, and I told them this wasn't a typical reaction for me. It's not like I have a history of calling with excessive concerns or being demanding or nagging, but they really weren't empathetic or concerned at all. The aesthetician seemed competent, but I originally had my doubts about letting an aesthetician give me an injection in my face. But, she has been doing this a long time though and came highly recomended by a friend of mine. And the plastic surgeon's office she works for has a good reputation. But, I didn't know there training is minimal. My GP informed me they only get about 6 months of training to do this kind of work!!! Scary I would NEVER let an aesthetician do anything this invasive to me again....

I have never been turned off by a woman who looks her age, but I believe she has a responsibility in regard to how she cares for herself. I take an amoral position on cosmetic procedures, though I have strong preference for clean, well groomed and almost natural. It's all how a woman carries herself, especially after she ages and shows signs of aging. I suppose it's the same for aging men. Men's cosmetics is a burgeoning industry at the moment. History repeats itself. Maybe white wigs will again be the norm for men of nobility. Then there's cybernetics - send your clone to work in the morning and go play golf. Still, it would be hard to resist embellishing our more flattering features and casting soft light on the not so flattering. There it is, the answer! Just always carry your lighting crew with you.

dancing white ferret said:

Do you know God? Do you two get together and play chess or something on the weekend? LOL

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God doesn't play chess with me, but She sends me emissaries to learn from, and you are one of them.

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Do you know God? Do you two get together and play chess or something on the weekend? LOL

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- DWF

God doesn't play chess with me, but She sends me emissaries to learn from, and you are one of them.

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-Pocossin

Well, Pocossin, I'm more the fool than the sage, but some of the greatest lessons are taught by fools. Lesson 1, don't let incompetent people inject things in your face... I'm also loaded with good tips for getting ferret pooh stains out of carpeting. LOL, Thank you Pocossin:bows:

I have never been turned off by a woman who looks her age, but I believe she has a responsibility in regard to how she cares for herself. I take an amoral position on cosmetic procedures, though I have strong preference for clean, well groomed and almost natural. It's all how a woman carries herself, especially after she ages and shows signs of aging. I suppose it's the same for aging men. Men's cosmetics is a burgeoning industry at the moment. History repeats itself. Maybe white wigs will again be the norm for men of nobility. Then there's cybernetics - send your clone to work in the morning and go play golf. Still, it would be hard to resist embellishing our more flattering features and casting soft light on the not so flattering. There it is, the answer! Just always carry your lighting crew with you.

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Thanks Meng... Hmmmm.... Cybernetics heh? Forget sending the clone to work, I'll take the new younger me, and send the old me to work... Just need to figure out a way to get my brain in there.... Seems excessive though just for a few laugh lines.

Hi DWF - I also believe in each to their own, so if it makes you happy to have this done then do it!! Which surely you are

However I do agree with Meng too and I think true peace and beauty within is definitely reflected in our outer selves.

I hope everything goes ok and try not to stress about it - be joyous and happy and free.
- Liss

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I was actually going more for surface beauty with the injections, although true peace and beauty within are priceless, the truth is, a lot of life is superficial contact with people, and having a certain appearance benefits me. Young. Very young. I could pass for 20 with these injections, and even without them I do look young for my age. Well I did, guess I don't know for sure now. That should be fun to find out... And the truth is, I really don't like to get dressed in fancy clothes etc, and what looks good on a slim young person, can look sloppy on someone older or heavier... I don't think I can get away with sneakers and jeans, a sloppy pony tail, and no makeup when I start looking 30's or 40's. It will just look sloppy and immature. Getting injections a few times a year is actually a lot less work than having to put in effort every day with wardrobe, makeup, doing my hair... Tired just talking about it

Well, I may not be able to get this done again either way... I seem to be allergic to this stuff, on top of everything else, and I seem to develop allergies to anything and everything. Peanuts, wheat, milk, sulfites, latex, tree nuts, most animals, trees, grass... Now hyaluronic acid. I also seem to have problems with bee products too now, like honey. It's very limiting. I'm making an appointment to see an allergist. Even if I don't test as allergic to this stuff, I have so many allergies, I don't know if I should get them any more. We'll see what the Dr. says... I'm looking into other antiaging treatments...

Thanks again everyone for all your concern and support:hugs:

dude! you are not even 40 and you are getting fillers, wtf?!

Yes. Just a little in my cheeks. Really makes a big difference, and actually can help maintain the collagen you have, so it's necessarily a bad idea to do them in your thirties. I'm not knocking the stuff. For a lot of people, those fillers work really well. I lost a lot of weight quickly, I think because of food allergies and absorbtion issues. Food allergies wreak havoc on your gut. And insulin is terrible for connective tissue. Mine runs high. I have put on some weight. I'm up to a healthy 102lbs, but was down at a borderline sickly looking 92 not too long ago. Keep in mind I'm barely 5 feet tall. The fillers really helped flesh out my once naturally plumply face. But I think you have to get a Dr. to put them in. Don't let an aesthetician do it. Apparently, that does not always go well...

this has been a rather upsetting thread for me cause I have someone very close to me having botox injections, only for medical, rather than cosmetic reasons (and they're done by a doctor). I don't know if you have consulted a lawyer yet, but your first reading made me think of the conditions under which you had your treatment, ie, whether you were officially warned of the dangers, whether you signed something or other and of course, the fact that you did this in a doctor's office, by someone approved by him -supposedly. I would try to have a discussion with the doctor, to set down the facts and bring him to consider the consequences of practices done with his permission, maybe make him aware of the fact that you are thinking of pursuing a legal route if you are not somehow compensated and make certain there are less chances of him and his colleagues ever putting some one else in the same danger . . that's what 37.1,6 sounded like, to me at least

I'm assuming the botox is for migraine headaches. I've heard some people have great results withh that treatment. I wouldn't worry too much. I can't imagine a doctor messing up like this on a simple injection. I don't know that much about botox, but I would do my own research if I was your friend. Some medical professionals sometimes gloss over details, especially when they like the results they typically get using a partuicular treatment. Has she exhaustedd all her other options? Maybe there are some alternatives still available. What about 5HTP. I know people who've used that with migraines.

I really like your take on 37.1.6, and as it turns out, this may be the most realistic approach. Since I've not been disabled or incurred any outrageous medical bills, I may be able to get proper compensation without suing. I'll be talking to some lawyers about the options available to me, and may just try to settle this through the doctor's office. Thanks for your thoughts Rodaki:bows:

nope, it's not headaches but thanks for the ideas and comments