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DWF! Wish I had more time to respond, but would like to add just a bit to your dear heartfelt thread...
I found some books once by Wayne Muller, "How, Then, Shall We Live?" and "Legacy of the Heart" that I love and still go over every once in awhile. Here's a few of his quotes about suffering (although he writes about much, much more) from I can't remember from which one, but keep on hand for reference...
"Ironically, perhaps, it is in those who have suffered, in their journeys of healing and courage, that I have perceived most clearly the miraculous, breathtaking resilience of the human spirit."
"Rather than simply invoke the tremendous grace that lives deep within us, we try to rebuild ourselves into someone who is not tainted by suffering. I would suggest that this is impossible. I would also suggest that it is not even desirable. For it ignores the fundamental potential for the discovery of beauty, strength, and grace in our life as it unfolds, just the way it is."
"When we move from seeing our particular suffering as “our” pain and begin to experience it simply as “the” pain – the pain of all creation…– then we move on from being separate and alone, and our suffering becomes a doorway into community with the family of the earth.”
“Every one of us is given some quantity of suffering; some are given more than others, some more violently, some more subtly. But the suffering we feel has never been ours alone; it is simply a fragment of the suffering given us all as children of flesh and spirit. The form of suffering may change from person to person, but the fact of our suffering is something we inevitably hold in common with all sentient beings."
"We become what we have cared for; our lives are shaped by what we love."
Love and sunny wishes, Iams
p.s. I know it doesn't change the way things are for you, but hopefully helps make them less meaningless and lonely somehow...
p.p.s. and I'm really old, almost double your age
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We were made to enjoy music, to enjoy beautiful sunsets, to enjoy looking at the billows of the sea and to be thrilled with a rose that is bedecked with dew…human beings are actually created for the transcendent, for the sublime, for the beautiful, for the truthful. ~Desmond Tutu
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Your post fascinated me, because it is so very close to the point I have reached, philosophically, spiritually, socially: My spirit was given ample nourishment by its guides for growth, but it led to intellectual growth only, while in life, all was a dead end.
I think your first hexagram is reaffirming that on the SPIRITUAL PLANE, you have received guidance, and you have evolved. As Wilhelm tells us in relation to H28:
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the superior man, when he stands alone, Is unconcerned, And if he has to renounce the world, He is undaunted.
Your interpretations seem on the mark, and I believe 58.5 is warning you of not allowing others' negativity or lack of response to negate your evolutionary joy, and also telling you that you have the discernment to step around "crappy people". Just my quick initial thoughts.
ahh grasshopper, I never said you shouldn't have what you want, only that there is no point feeling entitled to it as it inevitably leads to kinds of disgruntlement you are presently experiencing when inevitably you don't have it (yet).
Answers are within, not without
But I honestly think a lot of the problem is that I'm just too darn nice. I'm nice to everyone, smiling at everyone, floating around on planet DWF, and it just opens up the door for the crappy people... then when the crappy people are crappy it irritates me more because I was smiling and being all friendly when they were crappy...
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Anyway, I'm not going to delve into it... I don't even want to know anymore... I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who are getting what they want in life, that aren't crappy, too... I'm curious what they are doing right. I was just trying to glean some helpful info. And am not envious... I don't want exactly what they have... Much less actually in a material sense... So, I just feel a bit cheated. I do feel like I deserve a bit more. I don't like that whole, "Why should you have what you want" thinking. "Why shouldn't I?" I have the ability to obtain it. It's not like it's out of the realm of possibility... I'm a decent person. Would certainly spread the love... I don't think I am aiming too high... Sounds like a timing issue. You should have what you want too, PG... I think we are just going about it the wrong way. What do you all think I am hoping for in life anyway? Believe me, it's nothing fancy... It's feasible. And I feel like that is the experience I came here for.
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DWF: Thanks for this nice response.Thanks FOX777:bows:
So, Fox777, you too huh... Nice to know I am not alone... There is a lot of truth in your take on this. And I have received a lot of guidance, spiritually and otherwise... I really can't complain. My spirit guides are really quite good... I think there have just been some unexpected interferences... My ex popped up in my life right around the time I was given a heads up that a great person with potential to be a great companion might be entering my life. I thought it was him... I thought "Wow, nice pick. The spirit guides got it right... Papi chulo..." Exceptionally good looking. And, just my type... Big guy with a really good thick build. Dark complexion with dark eyes and hair... Good personality too, and seemed more interested in me when he found out what a nerd I was... What was I supposed to think? But, his looks should have tipped me off that something was wrong. And, boy, was I wrong... Not that someone can't be both great inside and out, but what are the chances of finding someone who is exactly what you want outside and in. Probably pretty slim I'm guessing...
Well, maybe you will find some guidance in this thread as well... I have to say, I am feeling a bit better about my lot in life. I was complaining in my head to my spirit guides that I never see such and such anymore, and I hadn't talked to them in so long, I didn't want to call them out of the blue... And guess who I saw on the bus like 2 days later! That girl I used to hang with. And we're going out next week... I think I was partly just worried that I'm losing my ability to manifest what I want in my life. Usually once I decide something I will start to see some progress...
But I honestly think a lot of the problem is that I'm just too darn nice. I'm nice to everyone, smiling at everyone, floating around on planet DWF, and it just opens up the door for the crappy people... then when the crappy people are crappy it irritates me more because I was smiling and being all friendly when they were crappy... But, I guess they are just being themselves. From now on I think I will be more reserved about my good nature, and reserve it more for people who have a good track record of not being so pooish...
So great advice from Fox777 (Fox Triple 7, very cool name)... So, it's like I have been stepping in interpersonal poo, and should have the discernment to step around crappy people, just like with real crap, step around it... Lesson learned:bag:
This is mystifying. Does anyone else have memories of posts that used to be here, and aren't? DWF?Have you noticed that a section of this thread right above this post is missing? I let Hilary know.
Clarity,
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