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stay true to the good, be polite and ignore the bad (dont let it affect you) Itsyourlife
from this old thread, if you are interested http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=14195

Easier said than done, right? It's a struggle every day, and lately a battle I'm losing. I'm really starting to lose faith in the whole you get what you give idea, and becoming skepitcal of the whole idea behind positive energy coming full circle. Seems like it works in the spiritual world, but not the real world. I get a lot of support from my spirit guides, but nothing ever really pans out in my life. If anything, being a nice person has proven to be a disadvantage. Most people have tried to take advantage of this, see my good nature as an opportunity to let out their negativity, and few have reciprocated warm feelings. And when I do meet people I like, seems like life circumstances always make it difficult for me to even see them. One of my good friends just moved to the other side of the country, work schedules don't mesh, etc etc... But the absolute worst people seem to just fall into place perfectly:confused:... Is this the universe's way of saying that is what I deserve. And when I ask the Yi about these kinds of things, I get answers that just sound to me kind of like the answers you get from someone who is evading getting to the point. Maybe I'm reading them wrong:brickwall:.

"Why haven't I received the things I want in life?"

and got 21.1.4>23


Am I being punished (21)? Or is the Yi suggesting I need to bite through the obstacles here... 23 there... Maybe I am being undermined?... If I had to guess, sounds like the Yi is getting to the truth to me. 21, biting through to the truth, and 23, stripping away all the dead extraneous things hiding the truth to reveal what really is. Line 1 seems to be saying not to force things, and line 4 talks about some unexpected good fortune...

And this is what I mean... Always, I will get some line like this in response to these kinds of questions... But, has been years of getting these kinds of answers, hearing this in all kinds of readings, this ambiguous good fortune, and I don't see much great fortune coming my way. There have been steps up and down from garbage to higher quality garbage, or vice vera, but no real advancement is ever really made:confused:... And have tried to be patient, but at this rate I will be dead before I get the things I'd like in life.... Seems like I just get a lot of obstacles... I'd like to see some results.

And then, I meet people who are kind of crappy people, and some of them have even been kind of crappy to me, but have way more than I do... It has just fallen in their laps... They have it great:confused:... And looking at my life, you would think I was being punished. Why have these crappy people been given such good fortune? Even more importantly, why is it there in my face:(:p? It's kind of like the universe is saying, "Oh yeah, I'm just gonna give this to them, but if you work really really hard, you might have something like that.... One day.... Eventually. So, just keep doing what you are doing. But, I'm just going to give it to the crappy people. They don't have to work for it or even be nice." :confused:.... Starting to feel like a sucker here. It's a question, I think, we have all asked ourselves at some point...

"Why are there crappy people that have so much more in life than me?" and got 58.5>54...

What does that mean? They don't actually have it so great. It is a disintegrating influence, and doesn't go so well for them in the end? Could be.

"What do I need to do to get the things I want in life?" and I got 32.3>40.

Be more consistent? Thought I had been pretty consistent... Certainly more consistent than most people I know who are way better off than me. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Anyone have some input on any of these readings? Really having trouble maintaining my optimism here, and since I'm not really a middle of the road kind of person, it is probably in the worlds best interests I stay soft and squishy, and not become a bitter and mean cynic... Could be dangerous;):bows:.

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"Why haven't I received the things I want in life?"

and got 21.1.4>23


Am I being punished (21)? Or is the Yi suggesting I need to bite through the obstacles here... 23 there... Maybe I am being undermined?... If I had to guess, sounds like the Yi is getting to the truth to me. 21, biting through to the truth, and 23, stripping away all the dead extraneous things hiding the truth to reveal what really is. Line 1 seems to be saying not to force things, and line 4 talks about some unexpected good fortune...

And this is what I mean... Always, I will get some line like this in response to these kinds of questions... But, has been years of getting these kinds of answers, hearing this in all kinds of readings, this ambiguous good fortune, and I don't see much great fortune coming my way. There have been steps up and down from garbage to higher quality garbage, or vice vera, but no real advancement is ever really made:confused:... And have tried to be patient, but at this rate I will be dead before I get the things I'd like in life.... Seems like I just get a lot of obstacles... I'd like to see some results.


I think the 21.1 may be about sort beign restrained in a minor way for your own good. remember we don't see the whole picture...and by and and large have no idea of how others expereince their lives. You don't know how happy or not the crappy people are, or what they have suffered. Sounds like you are looking for some very tangible good fortune....but the real good fortune often isn't tangible at all. Anyway yes the 23 looks like you have been going through a stripping process..a phase of loss which would mean coming to hard decisions 21.4, struggle etc. Things don't always develop without difficulty..perhaps if everything had been easy you would not have developed the way you needed to. Also I think 21.1 is good for keeping you out of trouble and danger, I think theres an element of protection in it. Sometimes it can be safer for us, in ways we cannot see, to live in a more lowly way. There is, paradoxically, often more freedom in it

And then, I meet people who are kind of crappy people, and some of them have even been kind of crappy to me, but have way more than I do... It has just fallen in their laps... They have it great:confused:... And looking at my life, you would think I was being punished. Why have these crappy people been given such good fortune? Even more importantly, why is it there in my face:(:p? It's kind of like the universe is saying, "Oh yeah, I'm just gonna give this to them, but if you work really really hard, you might have something like that.... One day.... Eventually. So, just keep doing what you are doing. But, I'm just going to give it to the crappy people. They don't have to work for it or even be nice." :confused:.... Starting to feel like a sucker here. It's a question, I think, we have all asked ourselves at some point...

"Why are there crappy people that have so much more in life than me?" and got 58.5>54...



How do you know the crappy people have more than you....what they have in material terms means absolutley nothing in spiritual terms. 58.5 can mean 'don't place faith in things that dis-integrate you. You are actually putting trust and faith in things that don't make you more integrated but less integrated." I'm reading it as you are off track in being seduced by what you think is their material good fortune. Often the crappiest people in the world are the richest so I'm not sure why you are suprised. People don't get rich through being good people...which isn't to say no good people are rich. I had heard this is all under change from 2012 as material value falls more into line with spirtual value...which is why we see the collapse of banks etc

What does that mean? They don't actually have it so great. It is a disintegrating influence, and doesn't go so well for them in the end? Could be

I think you would do welll to bin this train of thought....what do you really know about them all...And anyway its a well known fact as soon as one begins to follow ones spiritual path material matters can suffer...thats how it is...but does that make you want to be one of these people who have everything ? They can still get cancer, they can still have family tragedies, they can still suffer sexual abuse or be deeply unhappy. So why do you have this disintegrating trust that they don't and haven't suffered and that you suffer more ?

What do I need to do to get the things I want in life?" and I got 32.3>40.
Be more consistent? Thought I had been pretty consistent... Certainly more consistent than most people I know who are way better off than me. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Anyone have some input on any of these readings? Really having trouble maintaining my optimism here, and since I'm not really a middle of the road kind of person, it is probably in the worlds best interests I stay soft and squishy, and not become a bitter and mean cynic... Could be dangerous;):bows:.

Thanks,
:bows:DWF:bows:

Stop looking at this fictional group "other people who are doing better than me"...its a total waste of time and only the young can afford to do it anyway. When you get a bit older you know every single lifestyle has its price to pay...however rich the person...and you may as well enjoy everything as it comes to you


I think it would be good for you to start looking at what you do have that many don't have...like health, and a pretty face, and ferrets...oh and the I Ching. Don't you feel sorry for all these people that don't have it ? And then theres us, your loyal team of interpreters at Clarity LOL


Sorry to sound like a really patronising middle aged person. I think I do :rofl:


Oh re the 32.3 yes maybe you need to get more centred in where you are, in who you are, rather than keep grappling with shadows of people you perceive to have a better deal. How can you be centred from that standpoint ? Put your feet firmly in the ground of your own life...and go from there. In 32.3 you are all over the place with 'ifs'....you don't need the ifs,its a waste of head space and takes you out of where you really are...which is the only place you can develop from
 
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God ...if I had my time again............

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I wouldn't have wasted so much of my youth thinkng about how everyone had it better than me.....regardless of how good I actually had it !

I can clearly recall sitting on a hill/sand dune overlooking a sparkling sea, with my boyfriend who'd driven me there and feeling disatisfied and that everyone else was having a better time


I mean Good Grief....:duh: it would have been so much better just to enjoy it.
 

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....and then.....

further old lady rant......


you realise all those people you thought were having a better time all had their own problems and tragedies and things to deal with and actually you had it quite good in comparison........


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I just have to second *everything* Trojan just wrote! :) I have been in your same boat though ferret, and had *many VERY dark* days and nights. As a wise woman said, "Dont look sideways." And I think the real reason not to look sideways is that if you do, you just waste the precious time you have in life stalling. If you're looking sideways at what others have or do, you are not focused on your self, on moving forward in your own life and your own plan and your own progress.

I'm not saying the crappy people dont exist and dont get a lot of free rides. I have family members who are that way, and you look at them and shake your head. But I believe in karma -- the hard part is, we wont always *see* when they "get theirs", but I do believe they do, in the end. As Trojan pointed out, money and material fortune is really (beyond a certain basic point of comfort) not the key to happiness or fulfillment. Many of those crappy people (IMHO) seek the material because they are not in fact in touch with their own souls or spiritial development. They would never, for example, post on a Yi Ching forum trying to figure out the answers to worldly questions. Their time is spent thinking how to manipulate and step on others to get ahead. I for one, could never live with myself if I did that. You probably couldn't either. But yes those people exist and it is horrid that they end up with "more" -- but as Trojan said, look carefully at how you define that "more."

As my dear grandmother also often said, "this too will pass." We all have the dark nights -- some people have more than others, darker than others, harder and worse than others. But it will get better. If you're a good person, it will come back to you. I promise.
 

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I just have to second *everything* Trojan just wrote! :) I have been in your same boat though ferret, and had *many VERY dark* days and nights. As a wise woman said, "Dont look sideways." And I think the real reason not to look sideways is that if you do, you just waste the precious time you have in life stalling. If you're looking sideways at what others have or do, you are not focused on your self, on moving forward in your own life and your own plan and your own progress.

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As my dear grandmother also often said, "this too will pass." We all have the dark nights -- some people have more than others, darker than others, harder and worse than others. But it will get better. If you're a good person, it will come back to you. I promise.

i too, third everything trojan said.

someone recently poised a question: show me your tmeline in life. past to present.
i drew it left to right.
apparently, most people do that.
(?) persian people draw their timeline behind their heads as past and in front of their nose as future.
successful people see their timeline as this: the future is in front, the past is beside them, so they can look at it, refer to it, learn from it.
people who see their timeline as straight fail to glance sideways at their past.

let me read into your hexs and chime in on trojans excellence...
 
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Thanks Trojan and Elizabeth:bows:. I see the line of thinking you guys are getting at, and I appreciate that. It's that thinking that has allowed me to deal with everything for so long, but is not working for me any more. I hate to lay it all out there like this, but I really don't know what to make of it any more.

The reason it is so hard to really embrace it is I don't have a lot of these things that aren't material either. Starting to feel like a big joke to keep being so grateful for the things I have. I'd just feel like an idiot to be focusing on how great anything is in my life right now. The other people I am talking about don't necessarily have material wealth. Some do, along with a lot of other great things. Others just have an easier life than me. And good relationships. Friends and family. And, gosh, they sure do seem happy. Very happy in fact. How do I know they haven't suffered? I don't think they've never had any challenges or upsets, but I'd be real surprised if they had suffered. They are very self centered and rude. They don't seem to have much empathy. Usually people who have suffered are more empathetic. Less self centered. And a little warmer. Less rude and confrontational.

I'm divorced, don't have much family, my father and sister have both passed on, and relationships are rocky with the little family I do have, don't have friends, it's very hard to make friends in the Pacific Northwest, and with such a hectic life has been a real challenge to meet people, or get together with any, my health is crappy, crappy, crappy, spent the bulk of my 20's in discomfort/pain, and am barely staving off diabetes at 32, I'm allergic to like 12 foods, and I need foot surgery, had to give Oliver to a friend because I couldn't afford him as he got older, good looks are fading (Thank God For Juvederm etc), job is alright, but really doesn't reflect what I am capable of by any means, and haven't really had a vacation in like 10 years. Every person I have ever dated has ended up becoming abusive at some point in some way. Well, at least I have health insurance now, and can look forward to a short life addressing premature health problems:rofl:. Until recently, I was having trouble coming up with money for food sometimes... You get the idea...

So, at some point, silver linings like food and not being in pain all the time start to seem a little lame when the jerk next door has it all...

Did I mention my living situation kind of sucks too. House mates aren't that friendly, one is downright rude, and I have to commute like 3 hours a day to get to work. Looks like I will be moving for the seventh time in 5 years. I would really just like to get a little settled and at least have some time to myself.

How do I know they have it better than me? I don't know. But I don't think it takes much to top this.

Friends.... been quite a lot of disappointment there too. They never seem to be around when the going gets tough.

And, for some reason, the universe keeps presenting me with men who are total creeps. I don't even know if I could date anymore anyway I'm so suspicious of people now. The last one seemed great. A card reader told me he was one of my soul mates, and he does come up that way in readings. Everything was really great for a short time with us. We had great compatability, looks wise he was totally my type, seemed like he really cared, too. The universe could not have planned a better joke. Present me with someone who seems just right for me, but it's all just lies. Apparently, the plan from the beginning was just to keep me around a few months, but then ended up lasting like 9. I would love to find someone who has a good heart, who doesn't need massive amounts of psychiatric medication, or intensive therapy, and is interested in more than sex and treating me like crap. But these seem to be the only men that ever ask me out. Why don't any descent men ever ask me out? I don't think I have ever been asked out by one person who wasn't seriously messed up in some way.

I don't know... I think at some point, when things are consistently that crappy, one has to question why... I mean, with so much more available... I'm sure you see my point. I'm would just feel a bit foolish to be satisfied with this.

Thanks again... Everything you say makes sense, but I just don't feel it in my heart anymore:bows:.
 

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"Why haven't I received the things I want in life?"

and got 21.1.4>23


Am I being punished (21)? Or is the Yi suggesting I need to bite through the obstacles here... 23 there... Maybe I am being undermined?... If I had to guess, sounds like the Yi is getting to the truth to me. 21, biting through to the truth, and 23, stripping away all the dead extraneous things hiding the truth to reveal what really is.


"Why are there crappy people that have so much more in life than me?" and got 58.5>54...

They don't actually have it so great.

"What do I need to do to get the things I want in life?" and I got 32.3>40.



.....it is probably in the worlds best interests I stay soft and squishy, and not become a bitter and mean cynic... Could be dangerous;):bows:.

Thanks,
:bows:DWF:bows:

21.1.4>23

21.1 i see this line speaking of your jaded self. :ehem: i mean, pretend to be nice if its all you can do. we are to others after all, what we display.
21.4 by bradford..."The fierceness and the extent of this trouble are not yet perfectly known." and " Events could grow brutal as hell soon, but by tomorrow’s light things might not be as grim as expected." and of course, always, prepare: "save some trouble by laying out traps and contingency plans."

to 23.
i think this means just as easily and slowly as you entered into this rut, you will slowly and just as easily get out of it. strip away all the layers of pissyness and annoyed displays of resentment. you dont know what you will miss with the wrong attitude. youll probably miss a lot of good things if you are not open to receive them. its hard to change perception, attitude and affect. its hard, but with some constant reminding yourself, a little mindfulness and resoluteness to quality behaviour, finishing your *good* plans to the end, you will come out on top of your game, no fail.


58.5 by bradford..." Looking for joy in inferior places is waiting for fullness in waning moons. The joy which derives from ephemeral causes extinguishes itself. Enduring values will value what will endure. Why glue autumn leaves to the tree? The secure joy accepts the due order of things."

oh yes.
crappy people are crappy. why bother looking up to them on any level?

32.3>40

so i see this for you to remain true. it seems simple. do not waver in your constancy towards excellence! also, dont show your hurt or confusion. to anyone. at least not yet.

a bit difficult at first but really, really really think about it.
you have choices. always.
do this, say this, you know what will happen.
dont say that, and do this instead, you know what will happen.
plan this, do this, and youll get that.
plan that and dont do that instead decide maybe this is better or oh maybe they will like it if i do this or how bout...
dont do that.

i hope this makes sense.

youre fine, excellent, your hurt only shows how beautiful you are that you feel it.
dont let others affect you. go at your own pace, feel your feelings and base them on reality.
you are the best person for you.
and then once you realize that, everyone will think that of you, that youre the best.
cos you already are!


ps. i was going through my profile and found a quote by lise on hex 12.
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=4102&page=5
i know you didnt get hex 12 but its
a very good quote:

Sometimes it is a lot healthier to see things as what they are and what they do, than as "results of something else". It is true that many people get distorted because of something which is not their fault. But you should keep your own life healthy. If you are too forgiving towards hurtful things, you might harm yourself and probably even them.
I think hex.12 also has the message of saying no to what is wrong.
 
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what will be your next question?

maybe something like

how do i view myself as excellent?
 

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ok i just asked that question for myself and got 61 unchanging. lmaooo
back to your original thread.......
 

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Thanks Trojan and Elizabeth:bows:. I see the line of thinking you guys are getting at, and I appreciate that. It's that thinking that has allowed me to deal with everything for so long, but is not working for me any more. I hate to lay it all out there like this, but I really don't know what to make of it any more.

The reason it is so hard to really embrace it is I don't have a lot of these things that aren't material either. Starting to feel like a big joke to keep being so grateful for the things I have. I'd just feel like an idiot to be focusing on how great anything is in my life right now. The other people I am talking about don't necessarily have material wealth. Some do, along with a lot of other great things. Others just have an easier life than me. And good relationships. Friends and family. And, gosh, they sure do seem happy. Very happy in fact. How do I know they haven't suffered? I don't think they've never had any challenges or upsets, but I'd be real surprised if they had suffered. They are very self centered and rude. They don't seem to have much empathy. Usually people who have suffered are more empathetic. Less self centered. And a little warmer. Less rude and confrontational.

I'm divorced, don't have much family, my father and sister have both passed on, and relationships are rocky with the little family I do have, don't have friends, it's very hard to make friends in the Pacific Northwest, and with such a hectic life has been a real challenge to meet people, or get together with any, my health is crappy, crappy, crappy, spent the bulk of my 20's in discomfort/pain, and am barely staving off diabetes at 32, I'm allergic to like 12 foods, and I need foot surgery, had to give Oliver to a friend because I couldn't afford him as he got older, good looks are fading (Thank God For Juvederm etc), job is alright, but really doesn't reflect what I am capable of by any means, and haven't really had a vacation in like 10 years. Every person I have ever dated has ended up becoming abusive at some point in some way. Well, at least I have health insurance now, and can look forward to a short life addressing premature health problems:rofl:. Until recently, I was having trouble coming up with money for food sometimes... You get the idea...

So, at some point, silver linings like food and not being in pain all the time start to seem a little lame when the jerk next door has it all...

Did I mention my living situation kind of sucks too. House mates aren't that friendly, one is downright rude, and I have to commute like 3 hours a day to get to work. Looks like I will be moving for the seventh time in 5 years. I would really just like to get a little settled and at least have some time to myself.

How do I know they have it better than me? I don't know. But I don't think it takes much to top this.

Friends.... been quite a lot of disappointment there too. They never seem to be around when the going gets tough.

And, for some reason, the universe keeps presenting me with men who are total creeps. I don't even know if I could date anymore anyway I'm so suspicious of people now. The last one seemed great. A card reader told me he was one of my soul mates, and he does come up that way in readings. Everything was really great for a short time with us. We had great compatability, looks wise he was totally my type, seemed like he really cared, too. The universe could not have planned a better joke. Present me with someone who seems just right for me, but it's all just lies. Apparently, the plan from the beginning was just to keep me around a few months, but then ended up lasting like 9. I would love to find someone who has a good heart, who doesn't need massive amounts of psychiatric medication, or intensive therapy, and is interested in more than sex and treating me like crap. But these seem to be the only men that ever ask me out. Why don't any descent men ever ask me out? I don't think I have ever been asked out by one person who wasn't seriously messed up in some way.

I don't know... I think at some point, when things are consistently that crappy, one has to question why... I mean, with so much more available... I'm sure you see my point. I'm would just feel a bit foolish to be satisfied with this.

Thanks again... Everything you say makes sense, but I just don't feel it in my heart anymore:bows:.

dude, you are having a crappy time and that's ok, but it will change. As soon as you change inside. because that's where experience of things are ok or not ok happens.

I could find you dozens (if not millions) of people Waaaaay worse off than you. Like the ladies said - don't compare yourself to others, that never helps. How about you from 2 years ago? 5 years ago? 7? I am going through very very similar things but every day I am supper grateful for the things I have. Leaky roof, broken electrics, leaky water tank, none of which I can afford to fix? Don't care. I have a roof over my head and if said roof start to leak really bad I'm just going to put a bucket under it and keep smiling. When I can no longer afford to pay for this roof over my head, I'll find something else. Because I have been through worse and I know I can manage. Health is really one thing you cannot afford to mess about with, and that includes mental and spiritual health.

There are people that Do care about you (look at this forum) and even if that isn't all that you ever wanted, it's more than a lot have.

Find the joy inside, and the outside will follow. World does not owe you living or happiness. Those things one makes oneself and is grateful if there is even one more person that willingly wants to contribute to it.

:bows:

PS If you can't find anything else to be grateful for, be grateful that you are not this kid:
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DWF I wasn't meaning you should be totally content with how things are...I mean we all strive to make life more how we'd like it and I wasn't saying you should settle for less than you feel and put up with all the things that get you down....I was just saying don't bring comparisons to others into it.....its really futile


BTW this 3 hour commute to work is not good is it...and you are in sales aren't you. And I don't know why i always thought that wasn't the best job for you....and i don't even know you. Do you get the chance to be who you are and use your skills in your job ?

Perhaps theres other things to explore. 32 is still young....anything can happen. Maybe your disatisfaction will spur you on now ....there will be changes you can make ....there always are. I saw this affirmation the other day " I trust that my life can change for the better " maybe you could start whispering it ...when you feel a bit less :mad:


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Thanks everyone:), perhaps I am being a bit dramatic. Maybe I'm just feelinpg bothered so much by this because I tried to be friendly with some of these people, and wasn't well received. Was expecting a warmer response from them. Can't avoid seeing them either. Didn't seem like crappy people. The only thing worse than crappy people is crappy people in disguise LOL. Oh yes, and crappy people you can't get away from. And this is why I think I am so upset by this. I have a surplus of crappy people in my life, and feels very lonely sometimes around them. Wish the people I saw every day were as great as all you are...

It's very touching that you all took the time to share your thoughts with me, and give me some perspective on this. Oh Trojan, are you middle aged... I had a feeling...Zsw The way tou talk sometimes about yourself I would think you were a centenarian though(that's a word right?). I do feel a bit better about my lot in life. Have given me a lot to think about:bows:
 

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LOL just noticed it says under your avatar

"happy wanderer".....that is what you are see, you said so yourself...on a good day. All thse bad situations...you are just wandering through them, you ain't going to get stuck in any of them,,,they are just like movie scenes....you just have to invent the next scene a bit different
 

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heh, I hear you. But I think a lot of people feel the same. I watch people on FB and Twitter, and even the one's who you'd think have a brilliant life and tons of people who adore them seem lonely and frightened some if not most of the time.

I read something useful in a magazine recently: Envision how you would like to feel and then go and create situations that will help you do that. (and I must add, again, don't rely on other people to make you feel good because that's a hit and miss affair)
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Thanks everyone:), perhaps I am being a bit dramatic. Maybe I'm just feelinpg bothered so much by this because I tried to be friendly with some of these people, and wasn't well received. Was expecting a warmer response from them. Can't avoid seeing them either. Didn't seem like crappy people. The only thing worse than crappy people is crappy people in disguise LOL. Oh yes, and crappy people you can't get away from. And this is why I think I am so upset by this. I have a surplus of crappy people in my life, and feels very lonely sometimes around them. Wish the people I saw every day were as great as all you are...

It's very touching that you all took the time to share your thoughts with me, and give me some perspective on this. Oh Trojan, are you middle aged... I had a feeling...Zsw The way tou talk sometimes about yourself I would think you were a centenarian though(that's a word right?). I do feel a bit better about my lot in life. Have given me a lot to think about:bows:

hey dancing white ferret
we are the same age.
i thought about you today
have you seen this new video by grimes?
what i understand of the lyrics made me think of you and made me come here to post it. cheer you up maybe?
:shrugs:
http://vimeo.com/38987284

I never walkabout after dark
It's my point of view
That someone could break your neck
Coming up behind you always coming and you never have a clue
And now I'm left behind all the time
I will wait forever
Always looking straight
Thinking counting all the hours you wait

See you on a dark night

Another clue I would ask
If you could help me out
It's hard to understand
Cause when you're running by yourself
It's hard to find someone to hold your hand

Its gonna be tough for me
But i will wait forever
I need someone now
To look into my eyes and tell me
Girl you know you've gotta watch your health

See you on a dark night


--
xo,
iyl
 
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stay true to the good, be polite and ignore the bad (dont let it affect you) Itsyourlife
from this old thread, if you are interested http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=14195

Easier said than done, right? It's a struggle every day, and lately a battle I'm losing. I'm really starting to lose faith in the whole you get what you give idea, and becoming skepitcal of the whole idea behind positive energy coming full circle. Seems like it works in the spiritual world, but not the real world. I get a lot of support from my spirit guides, but nothing ever really pans out in my life. If anything, being a nice person has proven to be a disadvantage. Most people have tried to take advantage of this, see my good nature as an opportunity to let out their negativity, and few have reciprocated warm feelings. And when I do meet people I like, seems like life circumstances always make it difficult for me to even see them. One of my good friends just moved to the other side of the country, work schedules don't mesh, etc etc... But the absolute worst people seem to just fall into place perfectly:confused:... Is this the universe's way of saying that is what I deserve. And when I ask the Yi about these kinds of things, I get answers that just sound to me kind of like the answers you get from someone who is evading getting to the point. Maybe I'm reading them wrong:brickwall:.

"Why haven't I received the things I want in life?"

and got 21.1.4>23


Am I being punished (21)? Or is the Yi suggesting I need to bite through the obstacles here... 23 there... Maybe I am being undermined?... If I had to guess, sounds like the Yi is getting to the truth to me. 21, biting through to the truth, and 23, stripping away all the dead extraneous things hiding the truth to reveal what really is. Line 1 seems to be saying not to force things, and line 4 talks about some unexpected good fortune...

And this is what I mean... Always, I will get some line like this in response to these kinds of questions... But, has been years of getting these kinds of answers, hearing this in all kinds of readings, this ambiguous good fortune, and I don't see much great fortune coming my way. There have been steps up and down from garbage to higher quality garbage, or vice vera, but no real advancement is ever really made:confused:... And have tried to be patient, but at this rate I will be dead before I get the things I'd like in life.... Seems like I just get a lot of obstacles... I'd like to see some results.

And then, I meet people who are kind of crappy people, and some of them have even been kind of crappy to me, but have way more than I do... It has just fallen in their laps... They have it great:confused:... And looking at my life, you would think I was being punished. Why have these crappy people been given such good fortune? Even more importantly, why is it there in my face:(:p? It's kind of like the universe is saying, "Oh yeah, I'm just gonna give this to them, but if you work really really hard, you might have something like that.... One day.... Eventually. So, just keep doing what you are doing. But, I'm just going to give it to the crappy people. They don't have to work for it or even be nice." :confused:.... Starting to feel like a sucker here. It's a question, I think, we have all asked ourselves at some point...

"Why are there crappy people that have so much more in life than me?" and got 58.5>54...

What does that mean? They don't actually have it so great. It is a disintegrating influence, and doesn't go so well for them in the end? Could be.

"What do I need to do to get the things I want in life?" and I got 32.3>40.

Be more consistent? Thought I had been pretty consistent... Certainly more consistent than most people I know who are way better off than me. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

Anyone have some input on any of these readings? Really having trouble maintaining my optimism here, and since I'm not really a middle of the road kind of person, it is probably in the worlds best interests I stay soft and squishy, and not become a bitter and mean cynic... Could be dangerous;):bows:.

Thanks,
:bows:DWF:bows:
Your post fascinated me, because it is so very close to the point I have reached, philosophically, spiritually, socially: My spirit was given ample nourishment by its guides for growth, but it led to intellectual growth only, while in life, all was a dead end. :eek::mad::confused:

I think your first hexagram is reaffirming that on the SPIRITUAL PLANE, you have received guidance, and you have evolved. As Wilhelm tells us in relation to H28:

the superior man, when he stands alone, Is unconcerned, And if he has to renounce the world, He is undaunted.
Your interpretations seem on the mark, and I believe 58.5 is warning you of not allowing others' negativity or lack of response to negate your evolutionary joy, and also telling you that you have the discernment to step around "crappy people". Just my quick initial thoughts.:bows:
 
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Thanks for all your responses:)... It is certainly hard to carry on with the whole life stinks thing with such uplifting responses from everyone... And certainly there have been a lot of responses, and I'm grateful for every one. I'm going to have to just write back my thoughts a little at a time though.

I think the 21.1 may be about sort beign restrained in a minor way for your own good. remember we don't see the whole picture...and by and and large have no idea of how others expereince their lives. You don't know how happy or not the crappy people are, or what they have suffered. Sounds like you are looking for some very tangible good fortune....but the real good fortune often isn't tangible at all. Anyway yes the 23 looks like you have been going through a stripping process..a phase of loss which would mean coming to hard decisions 21.4, struggle etc. Things don't always develop without difficulty..perhaps if everything had been easy you would not have developed the way you needed to. Also I think 21.1 is good for keeping you out of trouble and danger, I think theres an element of protection in it. Sometimes it can be safer for us, in ways we cannot see, to live in a more lowly way. There is, paradoxically, often more freedom in it

Thanks, Trojan, for sharing your insights:bows:... they are always so extremely intuitive and enlightening... Yes, I think you are right. Someone up above is trying to keep me out of trouble. This whole wait, now is not the right time thing has been coming up a lot for me lately, especially with relationships etc. That has been my gut feeling on this situation, at least when my more intuitive, patient, and spiritually evolved side is in control LOL:rofl:. And, true, the only thing worse than dealing with crappy people is being one of them, so maybe it is good I have had to deal with these various misfortunes. It has made me a better person. But, I am starting to feel like, "Well, isn't that good enough? Am I aiming for sainthood here? I don't think I can get that much better, at least not any time soon... Maybe a nice vacation from the spiritual betterment thing.... somewhere good, not like a figurative vacation. How about Prague... or Paris? I'd even settle for the Pocono's. Or the Berkshire's... Either or:p. "
 
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Thanks Elizabeth for contributing here:bows:...

As a wise woman said, "Dont look sideways." And I think the real reason not to look sideways is that if you do, you just waste the precious time you have in life stalling. If you're looking sideways at what others have or do, you are not focused on your self, on moving forward in your own life and your own plan and your own progress..

Yes, I usually don't pay that much attention to how other people are getting what they want in life, but since I have become a little more ambitious, I decided to check in on that... just so I'm not totally oblivious:). And, have to say, I was a bit surprised. But, perhaps a glance now and then is alright. Just to pick up a few pointers. Sounds like the trick is not to stare at anyone, and start making direct comparisons...

As my dear grandmother also often said, "this too will pass." We all have the dark nights -- some people have more than others, darker than others, harder and worse than others. But it will get better. If you're a good person, it will come back to you. I promise

I believe you are right Elizabeth, and thank you for your kind words. I'm just feeling a little impatient. I'd like to start moving on with things, and although "this too will pass" is comforting, "this too will pass quickly" would be preferable:)... Oh well... Could be worse, as Precision Grace has pointed out with that God awful depressing picture... Thanks PG... Thanks a lot:weep::cloud::(... JK:rofl:. Is that bread... Or a cracker... I don't like crackers... Well I do but I can't eat them. Probably loaded with bowel inflaming gluten... Would have to be really hungry to eat some old glutenous cracker off the ground:(. Double negative there, glutenous and on the ground... That certainly does put things in perspective. Even when you think someone has it way worse than you, they may have something you don't... like the ability to digest gluten:p.

LOL. Seriously though, it could always be worse, and I really can't complain that my immediate needs aren't being met, and it always good to be reminded of the blessings one does have, and to count them every day. So, in all sincerity, thank you Precision Grace for reminding me of that.

Am just feeling a little frustrated with the stagnation in my life. I should clarify here that my spirit guides have communicated that many blessings are headed my way, not blessings that I have now, so that is part of the reason for my frustration and expectation. Feel like I got my hopes up for nothing sometimes. It's not where I am that concerns me. It's where things are going. I'm bored and undernourished mentally and emotionally... I can't tolerate the boredom.

I know everyone feels like this sometimes. Things are good for most of us, but certainly we've all wondered why don't I have X or Y at one point... Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with questioning. It's the only way sometimes to find out how to get it or what you are doing wrong or work through those negative emotions that pop up when one isn't feeling fulfilled.
 
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Oh well... Could be worse, as Precision Grace has pointed out with that God awful depressing picture... Thanks PG... Thanks a lot:weep::cloud::(... JK:rofl:. Is that bread... Or a cracker... I don't like crackers... Well I do but I can't eat them. Probably loaded with bowel inflaming gluten... Would have to be really hungry to eat some old glutenous cracker off the ground:(. Double negative there, glutenous and on the ground... That certainly does put things in perspective. Even when you think someone has it way worse than you, they may have something you don't... like the ability to digest gluten:p.

LOL. Seriously though, it could always be worse, and I really can't complain that my immediate needs aren't being met, and it always good to be reminded of the blessings one does have, and to count them every day. So, in all sincerity, thank you Precision Grace for reminding me of that.


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Bloody Hell Ferrett....thats a pretty dark joke isn't it :eek:
 
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Thanks for all your responses:)... It is certainly hard to carry on with the whole life stinks thing with such uplifting responses from everyone... And certainly there have been a lot of responses, and I'm grateful for every one. I'm going to have to just write back my thoughts a little at a time though.



Thanks, Trojan, for sharing your insights:bows:... they are always so extremely intuitive and enlightening... Yes, I think you are right. Someone up above is trying to keep me out of trouble. This whole wait, now is not the right time thing has been coming up a lot for me lately, especially with relationships etc. That has been my gut feeling on this situation, at least when my more intuitive, patient, and spiritually evolved side is in control LOL:rofl:. And, true, the only thing worse than dealing with crappy people is being one of them, so maybe it is good I have had to deal with these various misfortunes. It has made me a better person. But, I am starting to feel like, "Well, isn't that good enough? Am I aiming for sainthood here? I don't think I can get that much better, at least not any time soon... Maybe a nice vacation from the spiritual betterment thing.... somewhere good, not like a figurative vacation. How about Prague... or Paris? I'd even settle for the Pocono's. Or the Berkshire's... Either or:p. "

Have you read any Caroline Myss ? I went to one of her talks. I'm not a big fan of hers but she did have some points to make. She challenged this whole idea that if you do 'really well' spiritually everything should be okay. She challenged how we if we get very sick or something are so shocked as "heck why did it happen to me :eek:" Her point was well 'why shouldn't it happen to you ?'. Why would you think you are immune to life threatening diseases or accidents or tragedies or poverty because you did some spiritual pracice or were a good kind person....and she kept shouting at the audience "get over yourself" :eek: I guess shes talking about humility and our idea that we are so special we won't get what other people get...and how thats a spiritual conceit...and in a way the opposite of real spirituality


She is a pretty loud American and most people had their eye on the EXIT door lest she focus on them :eek:.......but of course its the truth isn't it. She explains it all in one of her books.... she is in some ways a kind of antidote to the whole "you create your own reality and so you won't get sick' brigade of arrogance ....but then confusingly she tends to veer back and forth to that very POV probably because it isn't all so simple/black and white, as we need to make things intellectually. I mean she also does believe in you create your own reality too....but she challenges this means you won't be subject to what any other human animal on the planet is subject to

You create it but you are equally subject to it...we've had long discussions on it here some where.


I mean when you say "isn't that good enough" what do you mean ? Were you under the impression that if you performed well rewards would come flooding in ? I mean yes I'm not denying that theres this constant interplay between what we do and what we experience...but don't forget the other half of it too ....we are also animals and subject to all kinds of things....like tsunamis for example....or mass murderers. I mean Jesus was spiritually perfected and he was crucified ! He did wonder where his rewards were at one point.

Didn't the cruxifiction turn on its head the idea the human praise and honours meant anything in spiritual terms...I mean there was nothing more degrading than to be crucified. So people degraded what was highest and most spiritual....and they still often do.


I'm not especially Christian BTW I just see alot of worth in the crucifixion story....I can even relate it to what Caroline Myss says.


It could be the philosophical underpinnings of your thoughts about your situation aren't quite true....it may be worth exploring ?



Howcome my posts to you always sound so patronising ?


You know its because I care :rofl:



:hug:
:hug:

:hug: that one is for any ferret nearby
 
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Thanks for all your responses:)... It is certainly hard to carry on with the whole life stinks thing with such uplifting responses from everyone... And certainly there have been a lot of responses, and I'm grateful for every one. I'm going to have to just write back my thoughts a little at a time though.



Thanks, Trojan, for sharing your insights:bows:... they are always so extremely intuitive and enlightening... Yes, I think you are right. Someone up above is trying to keep me out of trouble. This whole wait, now is not the right time thing has been coming up a lot for me lately, especially with relationships etc. That has been my gut feeling on this situation, at least when my more intuitive, patient, and spiritually evolved side is in control LOL:rofl:. And, true, the only thing worse than dealing with crappy people is being one of them, so maybe it is good I have had to deal with these various misfortunes. It has made me a better person. But, I am starting to feel like, "Well, isn't that good enough? Am I aiming for sainthood here? I don't think I can get that much better, at least not any time soon... Maybe a nice vacation from the spiritual betterment thing.... somewhere good, not like a figurative vacation. How about Prague... or Paris? I'd even settle for the Pocono's. Or the Berkshire's... Either or:p. "

If I may question that for example...I mean I suggested that perhaps 21.1 was about being somewhat hindered for your own good, you say yes someone is looking after you and I wouldn't disagree with you BUT why isn't anyone up there looking after the child in the picture PG posted... Where the heck are his spirit guides ! ? Why would they look after you and not him ?


Yes I believe we can be guided by ....our guides and so on.....up to a point...but the mystery of suffering remains and I think 'evil 'in our world is currently possibly quite happily lodged amongst the more materialistic new age 'philosophies' , in books like 'The Secret' etc who pedal the idea that bad things only happen to bad people.

We don't have to look far to see what a pile of crap that is...


BTW I have heard that the starving children such as in the picture PG posted are actually extremely highly evolved souls who come here to earth so we have the chance to know compassion. Of course I have no idea if thats true or not...but its a thought that reflects that worldy success does not reflect ones spiritual stage of development.....reflecting Christ being born in a stable etc etc etc
 
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My point being questioning your beliefs about virtue and reward may actually reduce bitterness


Having said that sure you have every right just to be totally pissed off now and then, everyone does
 

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Dear DWF,

I hope you don't mind if I share a recent personal experience.

I am presently preparing to move.

Getting on in years, reckoning with the limitations of congestive heart failure, I have been apprehensive about the move, which in itself is a result of filthy and inconsiderate behavior of a particular neighbor, who has built their house practically on top of the one I have rented and loved for nearly a decade. Be that as it may, I have found a place possibly better suited to my present wishes and needs. The blessing of having once again acquired quite a few things means also the task of moving them, and some items are simply too big for me to handle alone. I was promised the help of two youthful and strong adults, but that help has been retracted due to their unforeseeable circumstances, and so now I'm must find an alternative.

Only a few days ago, while turning back from from my daily health walk because I unthinkingly had the wrong glasses on, I accidentally took a hard trip and fall onto the sharp edges of a concrete curb to my front porch, landing directly onto my left shoulder. The pain this has created has been excruciating, and most worrisome in terms of how I will manage to move these bigger items in the soon coming days.

The Yi's answers seemed oblivious and dis-compassionate altogether to my dilemma and suffering when inquiring for solutions to this painful dilemma. When this happens, I become annoyed with the Yijing, thinking it has a great inherent discrepancy in the areas of physical suffering or sickness. After all, I'm not thinking only theoretically here, but seriously practical! What an insensitive oracle, I'd think! ;)

I'd asked friends for prayer and healing vibes to assist in a speedy recovery so that I will be able to tackle the heavy work which lies ahead, and was happy to receive this support from a couple of friends, but unhappy to have it blown off by a couple who claim to be devout believers in such healing - shallow divers and big talkers, I told myself :mad:. Medical help was out of reach, for reasons I won't go into here.

I've been greatly interested recently in viewing videos of the teacher Mooji, who teaches on subjects of great interest to me, several which I've found to be most helpful in practical and spiritual ways. When I read your post, I thought of a particular brief video called "Why is life so tough?" Upon reading your thread, I thought it may be helpful to share it with you now. I hope this helps.

Let me also add, that while I've found the general answer of "it is karma" to sometimes be annoying and unsatisfying, it is not so much if I consider that my karma can not be compared to how another life appears to be, especially so in the present. Their life lessons may be completely different from mine, as well their timing to learn certain things may be. Therefore I've concluded it to be completely useless to compare my life lessons to anyone else. This is my life alone, my state of consciousness, and therefore the life and karma of another is none of my business. My business is my state of consciousness, and that is all.

Anyway, here is one of many excellent perspectives shared by this teacher. Btw, this teaching makes all of Yi's answers given for this pain and experience completely helpful and sensible, as though both instruct the same teaching and understanding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exba6j9I8Co&feature=relmfu
 
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Rarely have I read such a beautifully succinct diatribe on this subject.

"Why haven't I received the things I want in life?"

and got 21.1.4>23

You are being held in your current position for your own protection.

"Why are there crappy people that have so much more in life than me?" and got 58.5>54...

That means they are somewhat dangerous people who have ill-gotten gains. That is how I read it.

"What do I need to do to get the things I want in life?" and I got 32.3>40.

... Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

I have a thought. If you bounce back and forth between wanting something like inner peace but at the same time wanting what you see other people have, then you are being inconsistent. Wanting what other people have is called envy and it results in particularly virulent anger. :rant::mad::rant::mad::rant:

Also, I think you may be feeling very bad because your friend moved away ...

I'm sorry. Sometimes it seems we're being asked to relinquish too much ...
 
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I heard someone say the other day how when they had felt suicidal....it was the curiosity about what happened next that actually made them carry on.


Whatever anyone else has what they don't have is being you.

When someone was playing a game of "who would you be if you could be anyone ?" I realised I didn't want to be anyone else, I wanted to be me. I had to think twice about this. Why did I very definately still want to be me more than anyone else in the entire world including the rich and famous :confused:

Because theres no one else to do it....only I can be me. Only I can live the story of me. I want to know what happens next in my own story and everyones story is unique.

All stories have bad bits and ongoing problems otherwise they'd be bad stories


I swear anytime someone asks "who am I ? " here they get hex 14....'you are, you have'.


There is no one else to be DWF on the planet now....no one. The DWF story is a unique story.....so who cares what anyone else has, they have their own stories...but they don't have your story.


I could search high and low, till the ends of the earth and beyond into the galaxies and yet never never would I find another DWF
 
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The title of this thread reminded me of this poem





In the Desert
By Stephen Crane 1871–1900 Stephen Crane


In the desert
I saw a creature, naked, bestial,
Who, squatting upon the ground,
Held his heart in his hands,
And ate of it.
I said, “Is it good, friend?”
“It is bitter—bitter,” he answered;


“But I like it
“Because it is bitter,
“And because it is my heart.”




Source: Twentieth-Century American Poetry (2004)
 

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The point is, if you never experienced feeling bad, struggle or strife, you'd be in no position to enjoy the good times because they would be no different to anything else.

Imagine if all your life all you could eat was icecream. Sure it's nice, but would you really think so if that's all you ever ate?

The answer to the question "Why haven't I received the things I want in life?" is always - why they hell should you?

For some reason, it helps me to remember that when I feel that way, which is about 50 times a day. And 50 times a day I tell myself to shut up, buck up and get on with it.
So does everyone else. :rolleyes:
 

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The title of this thread reminded me of this poem





In the Desert
By Stephen Crane 1871–1900 Stephen Crane


In the desert
I saw a creature, naked, bestial,
Who, squatting upon the ground,
Held his heart in his hands,
And ate of it.
I said, “Is it good, friend?”
“It is bitter—bitter,” he answered;


“But I like it
“Because it is bitter,
“And because it is my heart.”




Source: Twentieth-Century American Poetry (2004)

Ewww, yuk!:rofl:

edited to add: I must be missing a few poetry genes!
 
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Bach Flower Remedies for Bitterness

There are three Bach Flower Remedies for bitterness:

Willow
Holly
Chicory

I have tried Willow and Holly and both have worked equally well for me.

Bitterness is a very painful state ... I hope this helps. Try not to compare yourself to others. Whenever we do that, we always see that we have less than they do. But we can only look at the outside of others and have no idea about their inner sufferings, which most of us are very adept at covering up.
 

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