USA elections 2020

diamanda · Sep 30, 2020

I won't say right away who is A and who is B. So here are my casts:

Will A win the election? 64.5.6 > 47
It sounds probably like a no to me, although 64.6 shows a celebration.

Will B win the election? 26.4.5 > 1
It sounds probably like a yes to me, although not sure what the young animal is (both A and B, as we know, are in their 70s).

I have more thoughts on both the celebration, and the young animal, but I can't say now what they are because then it would become too obvious who A and B are.

rosada · Sep 30, 2020

64.5.6 - 47. Maybe an early celebration before all the results are in and then a long struggle?

26.4.5 - 1 A careful measured pace pays off?

diamanda · Sep 30, 2020

Ah yes, an early celebration, before all results, will be something to regret. Yes I can totally see that here, thanks Rosada. So maybe it will appear to go one way initially, then a possible reversal late in the counting.

rosada · Sep 30, 2020

Stay tuned...

Viru10 · Oct 1, 2020

It seems odd to make a casting for such large world events via the I-Ching. Since plenty of people from across the political spectrum here have already asked this question (I think this belongs in Exploring Divination right?) we've seen answers that suggest win/lose for both parties.

To me it would make more sense if the individual running for President cast the Yi, or someone from their campaign committees since they are more directly tied to the unfolding of this event. I personally see astrology as a better divination tool for people who are a bit external to the frontline of something. I follow Vedic Astrology (which means sidereal zodiac) and I think a couple of astrologists on Youtube have done an interesting take on this. Joni Patry might be a good place to get started. She didn't exactly predict the pandemic but came close enough (especially with timing). She has some predictions about the elections.

Because many of those seeking divination in the I-Ching stories are royalty, they are directly affected and affecting the change they will be casting about. I'm thinking of the decision to revolt against Shang, what to do in specific battles etc. King Wen, his son and many of the historical figures were directly involved in those major events, and so making a casting from their perspective would probably yield more fruitful information. Whereas we may be simple citizens with little involvement in government.

Anyways, I think that's why there's so much grey area when asking about this. Unless one of the candidates is secretly posting his castings on these forums :sofa:

Edit: Although I believe your choice to keep things anonymous does sanitize the question in an important way.

Trojina · Oct 1, 2020

Viru10 said:
It seems odd to make a casting for such large world events via the I-Ching. Since plenty of people from across the political spectrum here have already asked this question (I think this belongs in Exploring Divination right?) we've seen answers that suggest win/lose for both parties.

It doesn't belong in ED because it's not exploring divination it's technically sharing a reading so belongs in SR. It's here presumably because there's no such thing as a political reading without opinions coming into and I don't think that can ever be bypassed.

I completely agree with everything else you said and yes the idea to keep it anonymous does sanitize the question to an extent.

diamanda · Oct 1, 2020

Viru10 said:
plenty of people from across the political spectrum here have already asked this question

I've seen plenty of different questions asked about this here in Open Space, about karmic debt, about how each will do, but I haven't yet seen any about who will win. If there was one please link it so that I can have a look, thanks.

Viru10 · Oct 1, 2020

Here's a couple I found:

This one is asking about a psychic's prediction, confirming whether Trump will be around post-election

This one is asking if Biden will win (once he won the primary) Mind you I believe Fanofenka had posted multiple readings around this specific topic

This one is a bit looser and kind of assumes Trump will win (although they do specificy they think the reading means Trump will win, even though that's not the question)

This one explicitly asks if Trump will be president after 2020. They interestingly talk about this very topic, about whether a casting is simply a reflection of the personal biases or if it is a proper divinitory tool, which I've been mulling over personally and the context for what I posted previously. (That it's more of a divinitory tool for events you're directly involved in).

This one features a vague question. Didn't dive too deep because I don't feel like it lol.

I think that everyone is more or less trying to suss out who will win rather than simply 'how they will do' or how they will fare. There are definitely way more posts of this topic I featured these because they highlight this idea of contradictory interpretations.

diamanda · Nov 3, 2020

diamanda said:
Will A win the election? 64.5.6 > 47
It sounds probably like a no to me, although 64.6 shows a celebration.

Will B win the election? 26.4.5 > 1
It sounds probably like a yes to me, although not sure what the young animal is (both A and B, as we know, are in their 70s).

I'm giving it away now, on election day, and before we know the result - A is Trump and B is Biden.

diamanda · Nov 4, 2020

rosada said:
64.5.6 - 47. Maybe an early celebration before all the results are in and then a long struggle?

I just read this in the news, I wonder if this is the early celebration?

"Trump addresses nation as presidential race remains too close to call
Donald Trump is now speaking at the White House, as the presidential race remains too close to call.
Donald Trump reveled in his victories in Florida and Texas, as the nation awaits results from key Midwestern battleground states.
“It’s also clear that we have won Georgia,” Trump said at the White House. “They can’t catch us.”
But the AP has not yet called Georgia, and the outstanding votes could give Joe Biden an opportunity to seize the lead in the traditionally conservative state."

marybluesky · Nov 4, 2020

It's very interesting that the I Ching mentioned this early celebration:

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diamanda · Nov 4, 2020

And in his own words:

"We were getting ready for a big celebration. We were winning everything. And all of a sudden it was just called off. Millions and millions of people voted for us tonight. And a very sad group of people is trying to disenfranchise that group of people, and we won’t stand for it. We will not stand for it."

Those were president Donald Trump’s words last night. By contrast, Joe Biden said “We feel good about where we are. We really do.”

Liselle · Nov 4, 2020

marybluesky said:
It's very interesting that the I Ching mentioned this early celebration

There's still all kinds of things to consider, though (I think - I already ~~scratched out~~ a comment I made on a thread in Change Circle :rolleyes2:

) -

- the blustering he did last night was after all the polls closed and couldn't affect the results
- I read that Trump campaigned more heavily than Biden in the last days (= working, not celebrating)
- except I also read Trump would go to his rallies and to some degree complain about having to be there :???:

, and sometimes the rallies weren't the best organized and left supporters stranded far from their cars in the cold

Plus, this reading was from way back on September 30th - not even October 30th - which might complicate things. Could it be cumulative head-soaking? I haven't paid enough attention all that time to know everything that might count.

Trojina · Nov 4, 2020

No, it's all over UK news he is falsely claiming premature victory

'Authoritarian': Trump condemned for falsely claiming election victory

Vote count is still under way and results so far show Democratic challenger Joe Biden in the lead

www.theguardian.com

This is as well as making completely ludicrous unsubstantiated claims that there has been fraud in the election figures.

Liselle · Nov 4, 2020

Trojina said:
No, it's all over UK news he is falsely claiming premature victory

Oh, I know, it's just that it can't possibly affect the results as everyone had voted by then. And it - both of the things you mentioned - are so much in character for him that they're not shocking. Just one more ridiculous thing among manymany.

He probably went around before election day saying, "We're gonna win!," but I doubt that counts as 64.6, it's really just what candidates do, all of 'em. Rah, rah, go vote.

Maybe it's just his general atmosphere of head-soaking. Maybe there's a tipping point, even for Trump. 64.6 and 16 have things sort of in common, I think, and I'd gotten 15 about it last May. (Question was "Trump path to re-election?"; answer was 15.3 to 2.) Maybe if he would have tempered his usual 16-ishness with just a little 15, he'd have given himself a better chance.

He gets a lot of people on his side by mesmerizing them (16 / wine?), but maybe not enough people, as many others are appalled and he doesn't give them enough other reasons to vote for him. 15 can be about balance. Balance out your 16 and your head-soaking with some sobriety.

Liselle · Nov 4, 2020

Although it just occurred to me that 15.3 could just as easily have been telling me to wait until the election's over and the votes are counted!

Trojina · Nov 4, 2020

Liselle said:
He probably went around before election day saying, "We're gonna win!," but I doubt that counts as 64.6, it's really just what candidates do, all of 'em. Rah, rah, go vote.

No, he's saying it right now all over the TV. I think you've missed some news. It isn't that he said 'we're going to win' before the election he is now saying he has won the election.

Seems to me 64.6 is exactly what he's doing. He's actually saying he's already won and he is of course soaking his little head in the process.

Liselle · Nov 4, 2020

I know that's what he's doing, I was still awake last night when he said it. It is - of course - ridiculous.

The only point I'm trying to make is that by then the polls were all closed. It doesn't matter what he says after the polls close, it can't possibly have any effect on the results. Therefore imo it's unlikely that's what the 64.6 meant in Diamanda's reading.

diamanda · Nov 4, 2020

In my opinion my cast describes election day. 64.5 shows light (screens, online, twitter even), 64.6 the 'celebration', which is exactly where we're at right now, and in my way of reading 47 is the result, which doesn't sound like a winning hexagram to me (but I could be wrong, 47 might mean context, as some people read the resulting hexagram). Don't forget that Rosada called it out with great precision.

Viru10 · Nov 4, 2020

Liselle said:
64.6 and 16 have things sort of in common, I think, and I'd gotten 15 about it last May

Yeah I think "too much wine at the victory feast" fits.

Even if the President wins Pennsylvania (Which is still an unknown) Biden is forecast by AP to win 270 electoral votes to Trump's 265 (something like that) the winner is the one who reaches and/or passes 270.

Viru10 · Nov 4, 2020

And 26.4.5>1 sounds like disabling a once dangerous thing, which suggests his challenger.

26.4 could mean being stunted early on, like the slow mail-in vote count, but it's necessary because once theyre counted they could (and already have) tilt it in favor of B.

diamanda · Nov 4, 2020

@Viru10 yes, that could be a possible explanation of 26.4.5 > 1.
You know what else I was thinking about the penning/castrating of the young animal? I was thinking it might refer to violence erupting. 26 also means holding public office, so I do wonder if there's going to be violence from the Trump side at some point very soon (Proud Boys etc), as in, as soon as Biden is confirmed in public office. The reading is hopeful that it will be successfully curtailed (IF it refers to such a thing).

Liselle · Nov 4, 2020

diamanda said:
Don't forget that Rosada called it out with great precision.

Yes, I just found it, thanks for pointing it out.

Lavalamp · Nov 6, 2020

Will A win the election? 64.5.6 > 47
47 - as context, looks bleak for this guy. Solitary tree in the marsh. This was the context in my reading today re: Trump (over in SR tacked on to the previous thread.)
64 "Unfinished Business. The hex of just when you thought it was over, it's actually the start of something.
64.5 Wilhelm/Baynes: Perseverance brings good fortune. No remorse. The light of the superior man is true. Good fortune.
64.6 Wilhelm/Baynes: There is drinking of wine in genuine confidence. No blame. But if one wets his head, he loses it, in truth.

This person perseveres and has nothing to feel sorry for. There is warning about getting drunk on the fruits of success, a caution for sobriety. Trump doesn't drink or smoke.
It is most important to know you were true and did your best, whatever the outcome. Not sure how definitive this is regarding winning or losing, but that isn't always the point.

Will B win the election? 26.4.5 > 1
1 as context. Many ideas seeking to manifest that have not yet been.
26 "Great Accumulation." Now that's funny.
26.4 Wilhelm/Baynes: The headboard of a young bull. Great good fortune.
25.5 Wilhelm/Baynes: The tusk of a gelded boar. Good fortune.

The context is one who has a lot of plans, ideas. Not manifested.
Both lines here refer to one who has been neutered, bridled or reined in.
This person has been accumulating a lot. The good fortune in these lines is that here his evil impulses are neutered or reined in.

I would generally say a reading illustrating castration indicates a painful loss.

- LL

Trojina · Nov 6, 2020

Biden is winning as we all know

Lavalamp · Nov 6, 2020

Trojina said:
Biden is winning as we all know

Yes, I am just reading the lines as I would no matter what the circumstances. It is possible my politics is influencing my reading, but I have tried pretty hard to learn to suspend judgment so I can see both sides of things.
But even should Biden win the count initially, there has been systematic exclusion of Republican poll watchers in the Cities that delivered him the numbers. This is violation of election law. There has been zero exclusion of Democrat poll watchers in Republican majority precincts. And there are 10,000 ballots in Nevada the GOP claims they can prove no longer reside in NV, and 3000 instances of fraud that have been criminally referred to the Dept Of Justice, for example.
It may be the Courts will rule that blocking, even throwing out Republican poll watchers - certified, trained Republican poll watchers - from precincts in Georgia, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia has spoiled their entire results, and they may throw out entirely results from such cities. Of course the courts would be loath to do that, but there may be no other legal remedy. We shall see how the Courts try to thread the needle.
Bush v Gore took 36 days to resolve. Safe to say "just when you thought it was over, it was just the beginning."
Second look at the gelded pig headboard on a bull images - I suppose one could interpret that as divided government, or some other kind of bridle, preventing him from using his position for self enrichment. Or perhaps that as a leader, he will be impotent and controllable.
But the question was about winning.

- LL

rosada · Nov 6, 2020

Just some thoughts about 26.4.5 and the speculation that a reading illustrating castration would indicate a painful loss...

If you consider 26. Great Taming's place in the sequence following 25. Without Entanglement, and the sequence of 26's individual lines I think you can recognize a different story being told. Hexagram 25 describes a young soul waltzing down the road of life oblivious to the threats and dangers reality exposes him to. Not only that but when he does get robbed (25.3) he just keeps on going and doesn't learn a thing from the experience (25.6). I guess he repeats this cycle for a few trillion lifetimes but eventually he realizes, duh, it would be advantageous to stop it (26.1). This act of recognizing the significance of past deeds brings him into the realm of 26. Great Taming and begins the ascent from the lower survival chakras until eventually the chi has rises to the higher chakras where one can receive the highest spiritual guidance (26.6). If you consider the individual lines they seem to describe how one is enabled to hold back from reacting from a lower consciousness and thus allows energy to build and travel upward to the higher consciousness.
26.1 There's a problem.
26.2 The way you've been dealing with problems isn't working.
26.3 Take time out to reconsider, retrain.
26.4 Don't react to problems with fighting. (Rise above the root, survival fight or flight chakra)
26.5 Don't react by even wanting to fight. (Rise above the sexual conquest chakra)
26. 6 Solve problems by responding from the heart or higher chakras.

Thus I see 26.4.5 - 1 as describing staying calm, saving one's energy to be able to create.

Lavalamp · Nov 7, 2020

I can see that Rosada.
But the thing is, there is a difference between self discipline and what is imposed upon one.
Perhaps it indicates the subject of the reading restraining other external wild forces.
Hard to see Joe Biden as " a young bull."

- LL

rosada · Nov 7, 2020

Trump is several years younger than Biden. Maybe it's saying Biden won by stopping the "young bully”!

btw if you can't see the "young bull" in J.B. you're heading for a dry aging process yourself... :rofl:

diamanda · Nov 8, 2020

Rosada the 'young bully' sounds very apt.
Also, looking at the voting map of USA, blue borders around and red 'penned in'.

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