56. Lu / The Wanderer

Trojina · Jun 17, 2009

topal said:
Ah, the old "throw-a-chicken-in-the-air-with-a-string attached to-it's-feet" ruse.

Beats flying kites.

Topal

I found a thread on 56.5 where i say the same thing about the chicken on a string but it seems i have got it muddled with 62.5...i just can't get that chicken in a cave out of my head... i just don't learn :rofl:

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=5470

..but in my own defense 56.5 and 62.5 seems remarkably similar to me..one shoots a man in a cave and one shoots a pheasant in a cave...or not he just shoots a pheasant and because he shot this pheasant everythings tickety boo ..huh if only it were that simple

fkegan · Jun 17, 2009

trojan said:
I have a dim view of this line, i don't think the prize is that good. Probably I'm remembering a discussion about it somewhere here..about what the traveller shoots is actually a chicken on a string, you know no big attainment, something mediocre. I will link to it if i find it.

Hi Trojan,

There was a long discussion on the various meanings of this line including long arguments over the translation of the Chinese. (Thread hex 56.5 I believe)

I have come to love this line for the meditative image of one ancient Chinese who noted that this line is the central line of upper trigram Li which is associated with the pheasant and thus the arrow is shot into the eye of the pheasant, changing trigram Li into trigram Chien or Sunshine, thus the pheasant disappears. The line can also be translated as the arrow is lost rather than the simple logical narrative that the Wanderer shots an arrow and brings down a pheasant he can use to get a job.

The other view is that he is a vagabond or PTSD victim, he shoots an arrow but it disappears into the sun's glare and he just keeps moving on. Then totally separately, this is the ruler of the hexagram so it has good timing and eventually this fellow finds his place to settle with a job having nothing to do with either his arrow or the pheasant.

Gia-Fu Feng and I rendered this line as:

SHOOTING A PHEASANT. FIRST SHOT LOST. IN THE END, FAME AND REWARD. Perseverance brings friends and success.

I now would settle the matter of the meaning of this line from pure structural analysis:
Hex 56 is the situation of the effects of traumatic thunder stroke in the heart (or mind in our psychological terms) (hex 51) here results in the Wanderer, a situation of being uprooted from home and family and rambling upon the roads.

Within this timing this is the fifth line, the place of the mind and of overall organization. This is a Yin line place now developing focus as one decides one's mind or gets organized. As this organization develops, the timing of hexagram 56.5 changes to hex 33 Retreat (or Flight in the sense of an airplane taking off). This would imply that the Wanderer manages to get his mind clear and his affairs in order so that he takes control of his situation ( tactical retreat rather than becoming chaotic, dropping one's shield and sword and running away) and is able to change his aimless rambling into a search for a suitable situation.

Frank

rodaki · Jun 17, 2009

. . oh my, actually I am the cow -and a dolphin too among other things

-

I thought there might have been a cow in 56 since one is in danger in line 6 . .
but no reason to come after us cows, we mean no harm . .

uch:

my_key · Jun 17, 2009

rosada said:
56.5
0 six in the fifth place means:
He shoots a pheasant.
It drops with the first arrow.
In the end things brings both praise and office.

Traveling statesmen were in the habit of introducing themselves to local princes with the gift of a pheasant. Here the wanderer wants to enter the service of the prince. To this end he shoots a pheasant, killing it at the first shot. Thus he finds friends who praise and recommend him, and in the end the prince accepts him and confers an office on him.

Circumstances often cause a man to seek a home in foreign parts. If he knows how to meet the situation and how to introduce himself in the right way, he may find a circle of friends and a sphere of activity even in a strange country.
-Wilhelm

This is a starange line to grasp. It's not clear for me whetehr the wanderer has left the shelter here. So a few musings:

56.5 - The pheasant is a symbol of yang energy , all the sunny things and actions that are going on in the outside world. Having been unsettled in the shelter and wanting to move on, we have a bit of an about turn. He shoots them down, with his first arrow (the direction pointer). So he gains potential sunny nourishment (the pheasant) from the shooting down of outward activity - Losing the wanderlust, we settle inwardly for what we have.

This is perhaps a sort of acceptance of what is around us for what it is and because he has made this huge step forward in understanding the wanderer gets a big pat on the back, a massive reward and recognition from those on high. "Thus he finds friends who praise and recommend him, and in the end the prince accepts him and confers an office on him." In some ways a new acceptance of and by the wanderer that wandering isn't actually wandering.

The thing I'm trying to get my head around is - Who is the prince mentioned here?

Mike

rodaki · Jun 17, 2009

I wouldn't know about the prince but
from Yi diary:
there have been a couple of occasions when 56.5 manifested quite clearly . .
and they did involve something going amiss . . like there is a celebration and archers present their skills as sportsmen, but one of them get' s a bit carried away and shoots down a bird . .
well, that wasn't really the point of the exercise but there is something being offered
. . slight :blush:

and food on the table?

fkegan · Jun 18, 2009

The thing I'm trying to get my head around is - Who is the prince mentioned here?

Hi Mikey,
Much of the Yi commentary comes from times when China had a large number of local warlords or princes running their own turf or fiefs as it were. What today we might do to find a job on Monster.com or Craig's list folks in the time of hex 56.5 would do in person traveling to the local capital and seeking an interview with the prince.

Although this line gives rise to much debate over its exact details, everyone seems in agreement that this moving line is the one where the Wanderer finds a receptive prince and settles down with a job working for that prince.

Frank

solun · Jun 18, 2009

yes, and eventhough wanderer has come into good fortune, he is still wary.

I think ultimately, in my mind anyway, this hexagram reminds us of the consequences of making too many assumptions in life. It's always safer to give people the benefit of the doubt, and to consider the value of what is before us before we impose our values on it.

The shock of 51 as Frank points out has created the wanderers predicament in a sense because they didn't see or learn what was in front of them, there was no wisdom or humility, they were functioning from the lower nature of ego

Having an exaggerated sense of one's knowledge of life and situations resulted in a situation reflecting that they really didin't know much at all about life and people - and now they must proceed with humility and compromise in order to gain something, or lose everything.

I just got 56 / 2, 4, 5 changing to 57 SunSun, Proceeding Humbly
And why not? You never know ....

The nuclear for 56 is 28 Great Exceeding or Preponderance of the Great. It's worth contemplating as it leads to Heaven, Initiating as it's core of the core gua.

28 Preponderance of the Great:

THE IMAGE

The lake rises above the trees:
The image of PREPONDERANCE OF THE GREAT.
Thus the superior man, when he stands alone,
Is unconcerned,
And if he has to renounce the world,
He is undaunted.

And since it leads to 1. Intitiating/Heaven there is great creative potential in following the course or advice of the oracle eventhough the situation may seem quite precarious

fkegan · Jun 18, 2009

rodaki said:
. . oh my, actually I am the cow -and a dolphin too among other things -

I thought there might have been a cow in 56 since one is in danger in line 6 . .
but no reason to come after us cows, we mean no harm . . uch:

Hi Rodaki,
We only come after cows to invite them to the BBQ where they get to be the guests of honor. We are what we eat, and there is a view that the only way for animals to approach closer to God is to participate in spiritual meals by humans--the BBQ in the Ting is a good cow's pathway to heaven.

rodaki · Jun 18, 2009

hi Frank,

fkegan said:
We only come after cows to invite them to the BBQ where they get to be the guests of honor.

yes, it seems that at this last step travelers of all kinds are called to give up their old instincts, or transform them into what will support everyone gathered . .

:bows:

rosada · Jun 18, 2009

Who all is here with us today? We've been studying together for several years now. Maybe this is the line for introducing ourselves.

I'll begin..
My name is Rosada. I was born under the sign Cancer (yes, another one!) with moon in Taurus, Capricorn rising and Uranus, Venus and Mercury conjunct in Gemini.
As of today I have been married for 42 years to a fellow hippie whom I met while hitch-hiking in Haight-Ashbury.
I have three children and one grandson.
I have been aware of the I Ching for forever but it has only been since we started on this memorizing march that I have focused on it seriously.
During the last three years of daily readings I have noticed that my outer life - which had been a constant whirlwind of shifts and surprises (Uranus at the last degree of the sign, many sudden endings, Katrina etc.) - has become calm, almost placid, while my inner life has become a lively playground.
My original goal with the I Ching was to memorize it and perhaps to eventually give talks or lead workshops. However, now I am aware how much more there is to it and so am feeling I'll need at least another 50 years or so of study before my arrows will come near hitting the mark.

Anyone else care to say hello?
Rosada

Sparhawk · Jun 18, 2009

rosada said:
Anyone else care to say hello?
Rosada

Hello!

rosada · Jun 18, 2009

Hey, a pheasant with the first arrow! Greetings. Care to tell us a little about yourself?

Sparhawk · Jun 18, 2009

rosada said:
Hey, a pheasant with the first arrow! Greetings. Care to tell us a little about yourself?

Nope, but I am one of these...

rodaki · Jun 18, 2009

hello everyone

aww Rosada, Happy Anniversary and all good wishes for you and your family!!
from where I'm standing it looks like a true 42!! :hug:

I'm Dora (greek for 'gifts') aka rodaki (greek for 'small wheel') and yes, I am conditioned by my names :bag:
Another Cancer here

, moon in Aq., asc. in Sag.,
venus+mars in Taurus, NN in Libra
I'm a baby with the Yi but I'm trying to learn and I greatly appreciate and respect the wealth and knowledge shared here and in the websites run by people who put up their lives' work for all to share :bows:

frank_r · Jun 18, 2009

Luis,

Never knew that you played for the Brazilian National soccer team, won a silver medal at the Olympics, are a famous cyclist and at the same time are a ex-satanista(what the hell that may be).

Frank

Sparhawk · Jun 19, 2009

Frank_r said:
Luis,

Never knew that you played for the Brazilian National soccer team, won a silver medal at the Olympics, are a famous cyclist and at the same time are a ex-satanista(what the hell that may be).

Frank

I've been around... :rofl:

solun · Jun 19, 2009

Hi rosada! rodaki! et al -

old hippies, Cancers... sweet.!

In accordance with the Greek names, my name is Sally (Greek for princess - whatever that means) and I posted some astrological particulars back in post 104 on this thread. I am a Cancer (11th house) Left out my NN, 1st house in Virgo. Chiron in the seventh. I'm in the middle of hippie and gen exer eras and had plenty of hippie influence in my life. Made sure I got out, experienced a few things in life as well as I could without money. Being poor can make you rather resourceful at times, but it's generally a bummer, don't you all agree?

I have been primarily an artist/musician professionally, but must admit to not focusing on or being a career-minded type. Though I have worked in many areas .. legal and corporate primarily. So here i am, humble pie i guess.
But mostly I like to be outside, not thinking too much of anything, just digging in the dirt a bit and looking at growing and flying things ...

As for I chinging, for the last several or so years have been becoming more familiar with it. But I study a lot of esoteric things. I have studied some Chinese music and eastern philosophy. It's a lot more inclusive of nature and the material world, integrates it more than western thought, which tries to exclude it. But at some point, they both derogate the feminine and give the lower world a badish rep. Being female, I am a bit suspicious of this at times .... but we carry on ... I understand how they , in the east, at least seem to acknowledge the value of the presence of the feminine more than in the west.

I don't go to barbeques generally. The ancient Egyptians used to ferry sacred bulls and their mothers around and give them palaces and fountains to walk around in and drink from. But there was probably a lot of BS around, same as any BBQ. Now Salmon and Mahi (sp?) Tuna, THOSE are good on the grill! But cattle? eee gads. frightening

solun - which is a combination of sol and lun, sun and moon

fkegan · Jun 19, 2009

frank_r said:
Luis,

Never knew that you played for the Brazilian National soccer team, won a silver medal at the Olympics, are a famous cyclist and at [other things...]

Frank

Hi Frank R,

We share a name on this board, so we tend to get stuck with each others difficulties. In a round robin of introductions, it is generally considered in poor taste to call attention to details about someone not explicitly shared first by them.
Can you explain your post above? What were your intentions? Huh????

Please clean up the image of "Frank" here!!!

Yuck!

To Rosada and all,
I am a native born Chicagoan Sun in Libra, Moon, Jupiter, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio with the Baby Boomer grouping of Mars, Pluto, and Saturn in Leo, and generally with Saturn in strong aspect to all the other planets in my horoscope.

My name is formally Franklin R. in a compromise between my parents as my mother was an aficionado of FDR who died relatively soon before I was born, and my father a scientist who thought highly of Benj Franklin.

My father told me, as he was dealing with terminal cancer over the last 18 months of his life, that he had worked hard all his life, putting off what he wanted until some mythical future retirement. He asked me not to make that mistake, live my life my own way, seek only my own truth (and justice) and don't let anyone stop me from doing as I wilt. I went into the psychedelic revolution loyally following my father's admonitions...

I came to the Yi in my senior year at University, through a friend of mine who was an early computer science pioneer who showed me the Wilhelm which I took to at once. Later another classmate introduced me to his friend, a Ph. D. student in engineering at M.I.T. who had learned astrology from his aunt who was a professional astrologer.

I discovered that the simple structure of the hexagrams described the meaning of the hexagram during a week of Christmas vacation during law school visiting an astrologer friend of mine in Belgium. I am still in the process of fully working out the details of that original insight from New Years' 1976 or so.

Frank Kegan

rosada · Jun 19, 2009

0 Six in the fifth place:

a) He shoots a pheasant.
It drops with the first arrow.
In the end this brings both praise and office.

b) In the end he rises through praise and office.

This line, which is yielding, and in the central place outside, is the wanderer. Being central and devoted, it succeeds in gaining friends below (the nine in the fourth place) and an official position above (nine at the top): thus it rises.
The trigram Li denotes pheasant and weapons, The nuclear trigram Tui is metal, hence the idea of shooting. Tui is also the mouth, hence praise.
Chu Hsi interprets the second sentence as follows: "An arrow is lost." Grammatically this version is of course also possible.
-Wilhelm

rosada · Jun 19, 2009

Thanks for responding! What fun to know us all a little better!

Frank K, I think Frank R was having a joke with Luis as the site Sparhawk directed us to in message #193 listed a whole directory of folks who share his name.
Interesting site, Luis, I got lost for a while in somebody's album of ballet dancers.
r.

fkegan · Jun 19, 2009

rosada said:
Thanks for responding! What fun to know us all a little better!

Frank K, I think Frank R was having a joke with Luis as the site Sparhawk directed us to in message #193 listed a whole directory of folks who share his name.
Interesting site, Luis, I got lost for a while in somebody's album of ballet dancers.
r.

Hi Rosada,
Some jokes aren't funny. The confusion of names only makes the impropriety of the Dutchman's jibe clearer. It sounds like someone who in a community sauna can't resist making comments upon the naked genitals exposed. Whether such an outburst is literal or some sort of "joke" is of far less importance than what it shows of the character of the person taking such liberties. This is an exercise in sharing what each of us chooses as part of the hex 22 campfire. It at the very least breaks the mood for me to have any cross talk at this stage. Everything resets to the level of what to say with folks listening in who will be so rude as to make jokes about others personal comments.

It is one thing that Luis would make the joke to cite a general source of the many folks with his name (a reality in a world where most of the folks in any town may be named Garcia, as in English genealogy it was standard for a family to both keep birth records and only use 3 or 4 given names through the centuries, so you have to find the John Wilson ancestor in the right century to connect the family tree properly). It is another for anyone else to say: "Hey, I see you are this and this and that too."

When combined with his not having the decency to first make an honest answer to your request for self-disclosure, as far as I can tell, it moves from being a "joke" to making fun of another-- while lurking in the shadows unseen. It may not bother you, kind one, but to me it is an offensive and insulting thing especially when done by one using the same moniker as me.

Frank

frank_r · Jun 19, 2009

fkegan said:
Hi Frank R,

We share a name on this board, so we tend to get stuck with each others difficulties. In a round robin of introductions, it is generally considered in poor taste to call attention to details about someone not explicitly shared first by them.
Can you explain your post above? What were your intentions? Huh????

Please clean up the image of "Frank" here!!! Yuck!

First I thought does he mean this, or is this a joke? Then I thought he really does mean it.
Then I felt insulted especially what you write about using my own name Frank under what I wrote. First thing I thought I don't even respond( a 33 line 5 reaction).

Please namesake(is that the correct word?) have a little sense of humour en lighten up a little bit.

All the best Frank

rodaki · Jun 19, 2009

hey Solun, we were actually looking for a prince some posts ago!

no offense, but 'sally' means only 'shawl' in greek (greek as in girl, gift-enthusiast etc)
which I think goes nicely with Virgo and I do find astrology pretty much like knitting no? weaving together all those details and all . .

But Sally, from Sarah, DOES mean princess (in Hebrew)

(as a kid I had a really sweet tooth for compound words; when I realized not all words were such, etymology took over as the next best way for unpacking them - I guess words are a kind of 2.4s for me

)

frank_r · Jun 19, 2009

rosada said:
0 Six in the fifth place:

a) He shoots a pheasant.
It drops with the first arrow.
In the end this brings both praise and office.

b) In the end he rises through praise and office.

This line, which is yielding, and in the central place outside, is the wanderer. Being central and devoted, it succeeds in gaining friends below (the nine in the fourth place) and an official position above (nine at the top): thus it rises.
The trigram Li denotes pheasant and weapons, The nuclear trigram Tui is metal, hence the idea of shooting. Tui is also the mouth, hence praise.
Chu Hsi interprets the second sentence as follows: "An arrow is lost." Grammatically this version is of course also possible.
-Wilhelm

The 5th line the line of the king is changing from yin into yang.
Fire is changing into heaven, from rationality to creativity.
Here we see what the deeper grounds of somebody are.
Because it is the sign of the wanderer we see his/hers positive and his/hers negatives sides.

as Lise is writing; Just do the best you can and your soul will feel satisfaction and ease.

And Nigel Richmond: He takes his own feeling about his reality as only a small part of it. He has hit upon something that will nourish him well, the idea is like a seed that leads him on to many things.

The upper nucleur trigram is changing from lake into heaven, both metal both it is connected with the physical soul.Lake is also the trigram of the Heart and the protector of the heart(our ego), so our feeling of this reality is felt on several levels. The more superficial part and the more deeper, spiritual part. Here it is easy to get stuck into black and white thinking( connection with 33)

And Rosada about your question about introducing ourselves.

I was introduced to the yi in 1983, I got the book from my wife. It was a interesting book but I didn't know what to do with it in the beginning.
Then I travelled for 2 and a half years around the world together with my wife.
I worked in severall countries also as a physiotherapist.
Then we came back to holland and I started the study acupuncture.

Then I met the Yi again but now as the basis of acupuncture.
Over the years I studied it intensively for my study. And now I use it also to treat patients.
I made severall studies about the connection between severall systems; like astrology, Maya astrology, ennegrams, Meyer Briggs type indicator images and DNA.

Now I have my own practice acupuncture here in the Netherlands.

About my astrology card I have my Sun and saturn in Capricorn(in conjunction together with my moon), my moon, mercury, mars,jupiter in sagitarius(last three also in conunction), all these planets in the third House with a ascendant Libra.
In Maya astrology I have the sign White Rhythmic Dog.
Ennegram I recognise myself as being a two with a three wing.
Meyer Briggs INFJ.

And Frank about the namesharing thing I have a daughter who we called Lin.
So on a certain level we must have something similar.
And it was of course not my intention to insult you or somebody else.

Frank

meng · Jun 19, 2009

Thou shalt not use the name of the Frank in vain.

Kegan, what size stuffed shirt do you wear?

Sparhawk · Jun 19, 2009

fkegan said:
It is one thing that Luis would make the joke to cite a general source of the many folks with his name (a reality in a world where most of the folks in any town may be named Garcia, as in English genealogy it was standard for a family to both keep birth records and only use 3 or 4 given names through the centuries, so you have to find the John Wilson ancestor in the right century to connect the family tree properly). It is another for anyone else to say: "Hey, I see you are this and this and that too."

When combined with his not having the decency to first make an honest answer to your request for self-disclosure, as far as I can tell, it moves from being a "joke" to making fun of another-- while lurking in the shadows unseen. It may not bother you, kind one, but to me it is an offensive and insulting thing especially when done by one using the same moniker as me.

Sigh... Tsk, tsk... From your prose above I'm not sure with whom your issue is today but, Dr. Kegan, let me clarify something: for me you are the other Frank. Frank_R has been here for much longer than you have so I would never, ever, confuse the two of you. If others make that mistake, which I doubt very much, it is their problem and is something that could be clarified just by asking or looking at the profiles.

As for Rosada, and many others here, with whom I go back many years in the forum, they pretty much KNOW ME and I feel very comfortable sharing jokes with them, the same way I'm sure they feel comfortable joking with me. In all these years I have not only maintained a very clear profile, with precise information, blog addresses, websites (where I make clear what my background with the YIjing is), etc., but also anybody that cares to spend some investigative time, can even get my actual address and phone number. I'm not hiding from anybody and I never have. The moniker of "Sparhawk" has never hidden whom "Luis Andrade" really is. Also, I believe Frank Roosen also keeps a website linked to his profile where much information about him can be gathered. I ask then, what's full disclosure for you?

Mind you, sometimes I share your frustration, specially with those that appear to connect the dots better than the average and opt for anonymity, like PP, for example. Those do make me curious about whom they really are but then, after inviting them to come forward and being ignored, I lose interest quickly. Actually, the only reason I keep having serious conversations with you (as opposed to just laughing at you when the tone of the conversation tends towards the red spectrum--as I have, ahem, with some other characters--, dismiss you or completely ignore you) is because you are one of very few that fully discloses whom they are. So, I consider you very real and an acquaintance, even if we disagree on many levels. Never a chance to confuse whom I'm talking to. Oh my, I think I found a common footing with you...

Now, is Friday... I wish I was in Vegas so I could buy you a few drinks and you could show me the parts of Vegas that really stay in Vegas... :rofl:

Sparhawk · Jun 19, 2009

meng said:
Thou shalt not use the name of the Frank in vain.

Frankly, man...

rosada · Jun 19, 2009

Well the I Ching tried to warn us 56.5 Introducing Oneself, would lead to 56.6 Jokes Ruining Everything.
I guess I should have read ahead.

Sorry about that. I suggest we all now hold our breaths and tread quickly and quietly through the next line.
rosada

Sparhawk · Jun 19, 2009

rosada said:
Well the I Ching tried to warn us 56.5 Introducing Oneself, would lead to 56.6 Jokes Ruining Everything.
I guess I should have read ahead.
Sorry about that.

It's all your fault, Rosada...

rosada · Jun 19, 2009

56.6
Nine at the top means:
The bird's nest burns up.
The wanderer laughs at first,
Then must needs lament and weep.
Through carelessness he loses his cow.
Misfortune.

The picture of a bird whose nest burns up indicates loss of one's resting place. This misfortune may overtake the bird if it is heedless and imprudent when building its nest. It is the same with a wanderer. If he lets himself go, laughing and jesting, and forgets he is a wanderer, he will later have cause to weep and lament. For if through carelessness a man loses his cow - i.e., his modesty and adaptability - evil will result.
-Wilhelm

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