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I don't like moderation, it's too close to censorship. And then it would be even more work to do for you, unless some of those people who suggested the idea would volunteer to do it. But I would prefer each one of us to be responsible for self-moderation, the sheer fact of asking for moderation "from above" sounds to me as some kind of collective failure.
Also, I guess you can hardly relate to my point of view, and of course I find it saddening to come back here after a while and find some of the people whom I regard as teachers in divination and in the knowledge of the Yijing involved in a flame war, attacking and insulting each other for no reason... but, on the other hand, it's also terribly funny!
I do hope this doesn't sound offensive to anyone, I only mean: please, lighten up!
:bows:
(I know it can sound ridiculous, and it probably is, but it's alright!)
Oh, I much prefer the self-moderating forum, too. And most of the time that's exactly what we have here, and it's little short of miraculous how people resolve fights and move on. (Quote from my husband: "Um, you have seen the rest of the internet, haven't you?") I don't want to mess that up by taking all responsibility on myself to say how everyone shall behave and what they may and may not post.I don't like moderation, it's too close to censorship. And then it would be even more work to do for you, unless some of those people who suggested the idea would volunteer to do it. But I would prefer each one of us to be responsible for self-moderation, the sheer fact of asking for moderation "from above" sounds to me as some kind of collective failure.
Which are the conventional methods? Which are the unconventional methods?
Plain fact is most people have no method. They 'use intuition'.
Irony is that I am one of the few here to name a method that I use, and this method where I come from is completely conventional, but is regarded by some here as unconventional, simply because they don't use it or haven't heard of it.
I see interpretations given on this forum that I find completely bizarre and, from my point of view, wrong. Some argue every reading is right in some way, or right for that person, etc etc. But I think the oracle speaks clearly and is either understood or misunderstood. That said, I also believe that many just do what they do because they are stuck in the web of fate, and an I Ching reading is a bit like a fashion accessory that they will interpret much as one person sees a rabbit in the clouds and another a palm tree, the same clouds. But when one person sees an injunction from the oracle to go ahead, and another sees in the same oracle an injunction to hold back, then we can easily see that 50% are misguided.
You say:
but what if the one way is right and every other way wrong? Is it solely about reaching an agreement among fools?
Honestly, do you do this deliberately? Listen carefully, if you are blind and I say you are about to walk into a wall I am helping you out, not contravening your right to self-determination. Get it?
I search for errors in my own interpretations, mainly. Through them I learn to self-correct. I have changed my mind over the meanings of many lines numerous times. But what remains constant is my desire to understand. Other are just flippant and not interested. If I point out what I believe to be errors it is done in the spirit of helping others, regardless of whether they agree, because I have seen in my own study how useful it is to appreciate certain subtleties. But if it is just about a group hug, then sure, count me out.
I don't expect cooperation or support. I expect intelligence.
I don't believe in self-moderation, I believe in self-knowledge. It is not for me to check my actions it is for my actions to reflect who I am. And if i am an ass-hole, then let it come across. If I am something else, let that come across. Of course, who's judging? Ass-holes, usually.
Great posts here. Meng, Rodaki, Buzzuro, Bamboo :bows:
I can only agree with everything you said.
When they train dogs, a very effective way is to only give reward for the good behavior and ignore the bad. Not giving attention is a very effective way to make a dog change. Attention is one of the biggest rewards you can give. Even when it is negative attention.
I think it works with people very much in the same way. So maybe moderating (punishing the bad) is a lot less effective than ignoring it. And with that I only think of one post after another post. Someone starts criticizing details of your post instead of joining in the real discussion, and then simply to ignore that. The fun of nitpicking is, that it starts a long row of nitpick posts. But when there is no effect - no fun.
Not at all easy though, to ignore what annoys.
Great posts here. Meng, Rodaki, Buzzuro, Bamboo :bows:
I can only agree with everything you said.
When they train dogs, a very effective way is to only give reward for the good behavior and ignore the bad. Not giving attention is a very effective way to make a dog change. Attention is one of the biggest rewards you can give. Even when it is negative attention.
I think it works with people very much in the same way. So maybe moderating (punishing the bad) is a lot less effective than ignoring it. And with that I only think of one post after another post. Someone starts criticizing details of your post instead of joining in the real discussion, and then simply to ignore that. The fun of nitpicking is, that it starts a long row of nitpick posts. But when there is no effect - no fun.
Not at all easy though, to ignore what annoys.
:bows:I don't find that to be the case at all, but then I'm not searching for the errors of others' interpretations. I can usually see how each individual arrived at their interpretation. Sure, one may be more accurate in a given case, but it won't be because they have the magic method or system or esoteric teaching. It will be because, first, they listened carefully to what the querent said and asked, and second, they can apply Yi's text intelligently to the querent's answer.
Policing is always tough. Police Dept note that domestic calls are their most difficult as when officers arrive and try to settle a family fight, the family members who were fighting amongst themselves all then attack the police trying to restore order.
Frank
Very true.Trojan said:Its all subjective. What you call 'nitpicking' may be anothers 'attention to detail'. A lot of academic discussion might be called 'nit picking' but it is essential to get to the truth of things.
What happens when I close a thread so there can be no more 'having the last word', or delete an oh-so-clever put-down so no-one can see it, or suspend someone for a week so the conversation can continue without them?...When they train dogs, a very effective way is to only give reward for the good behavior and ignore the bad. Not giving attention is a very effective way to make a dog change. Attention is one of the biggest rewards you can give. Even when it is negative attention.
I think it works with people very much in the same way. So maybe moderating (punishing the bad) is a lot less effective than ignoring it.
I can only agree with everything you said.
When they train dogs, a very effective way is to only give reward for the good behavior and ignore the bad. Not giving attention is a very effective way to make a dog change. Attention is one of the biggest rewards you can give. Even when it is negative attention.
I think it works with people very much in the same way. So maybe moderating (punishing the bad) is a lot less effective than ignoring it. And with that I only think of one post after another post. Someone starts criticizing details of your post instead of joining in the real discussion, and then simply to ignore that. The fun of nitpicking is, that it starts a long row of nitpick posts. But when there is no effect - no fun.
Not at all easy though, to ignore what annoys.
What you call 'nitpicking' may be anothers 'attention to detail'. Alot of academic discussion might be called 'nit picking' but it is essential to get to the truth of things.
The way you standup should always be that you keep contact with your own heart, because that is the way you feel unity. Than you never place the situation outside yourself.
The be assertive is the element wood, trigram thunder and wind. And this is the only element that is totally in balans. three yin and three yang lines. But it is the most difficult emotion to control, to be assertive( to turn tension into creative action) and keep in touch with the other and your own heart.
Thank you very much TrojanI like your attitude If we have to have any moderators at all i vote its you.
This post deleting thing is complicated! Especially since I naturally arrive after the conversation has flowed on past the initial 'problem post'. Mmph. Maybe it would be better to leave almost all posts in place, and just use something like the warnings/ suspensions system WF suggested?
Yet in another occasion I didn't hesitate to publicly state "you're not welcome here"
Great posts here. Meng, Rodaki, Buzzuro, Bamboo :bows:
I can only agree with everything you said.
When they train dogs, a very effective way is to only give reward for the good behavior and ignore the bad. Not giving attention is a very effective way to make a dog change. Attention is one of the biggest rewards you can give. Even when it is negative attention.
I think it works with people very much in the same way. So maybe moderating (punishing the bad) is a lot less effective than ignoring it. And with that I only think of one post after another post. Someone starts criticizing details of your post instead of joining in the real discussion, and then simply to ignore that. The fun of nitpicking is, that it starts a long row of nitpick posts. But when there is no effect - no fun.
Not at all easy though, to ignore what annoys.
This is why I said to Hilary in the other poll thread that its her forum and we are guests. She build a house and she invited us to have fun. No matter how we like or not the other guests there are house rules and it’s the owners rules. She owner decides who is welcome and who is not. Because its her party and it must be the way she wants. And those rules here , are not clear enough or people don’t respect them for their own reasons. When we go to the theatre nobody has to tell us what to do. Its obvious that we should be quite and let the other enjoy the play. And if someone disturbs the peace, we can protest because those are the rules. Rules gives us rights but also we have responsibilities. They go together.We can’t use the one and ignore the other.
Clarity,
Office 17622,
PO Box 6945,
London.
W1A 6US
United Kingdom
Phone/ Voicemail:
+44 (0)20 3287 3053 (UK)
+1 (561) 459-4758 (US).