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10.1.2.6 > 45. About 3 lines changing, from which 1 and 6

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Hi all!

I recently had this reading, about if it was a good time to start a specific activity/business.

The answer was 10.1.2.6 > 45, and I am curious about your takes on having 3 lines changing, from which both the opening and closing lines are changing + quite opposite messages in lines 10.1 (you can go ahead with confidence) and 10.2 (retreat in order to stay safe).

Thank you so much for your insights!

Take care
 
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Hi all!

I recently had this reading, about if it was a good time to start a specific activity/business.

The answer was 10.1.2.6 > 25, and I am curious about your takes on having 3 lines changing, from which both the opening and closing lines are changing + quite opposite messages in lines 10.1 (you can go ahead with confidence) and 10.2 (retreat in order to stay safe).

Thank you so much for your insights!

Take care
You have to start with the hexagram, here it is 10. So there is a Tiger here and you have to figure what that is. What is it that you must cautiously tiptoe behind in order not to get bitten ?

I'm guessing it is the venture itself. I don't think line one says to move forward with confidence, it is more like move forward simply and plainly. I don't think line 2 tells you to retreat as such, it is more like a quiet person's ease in going forward unobserved. Line 6 kind of says 'well if you end up uneaten you did well !'

So this is risky and also 25 there shows there is much beyond your control and perhaps those factors are what the tiger is.

I had very similar casts for an enterprise I wanted to develop some years back, I got 10.1, 10.2 and 10.6 often in various combinations. I feel now it showed moving forward in a cautious way and an unobtrusive way (line 2) and then if I wasn't bitten, well all was well. I think line 6 is a bit tongue in cheek, like 'oops I see you made it back to where you started off from this morning so all's well that ends well' kind of vibe. If you go out to hunt and you come back to your own pathway at night you did good because you weren't eaten.

So I think you can go ahead with a certain amount of caution and one of the cautions seem to be around keeping yourself to yourself, your intentions veiled. Tread quite simply (line 1) and keep your workings shielded from too much scrutiny (line 2) and things can end with at least no harm and indeed good fortune(line 6). 25 showing this is a bit hit and miss, it's unpredictable how the demand goes for whatever the business is and you may have to rely on your instincts and serendipity.

Of course I am aware of the contradiction between acting like the quiet man in line 2 yet needing to put yourself 'out there' and market your business. How can one sell without highlighting, marketing what one has to sell, how can the quiet man do this ?

I wonder if it would be better for you initially, to keep your marketing, in whatever form that takes, quite a private affair by which I mean rather than offer what you have to everyone begin by just targeting those you already know and so on. I think you are being advised to keep your head down, do your own thing in line 2, and I think you are being asked to keep it simple in line 1. How you do that is something only you can know.

Your change patterns are 41 and 31. You come into this with a question of offering, you come through the situation by making a space for things to develop. Perhaps you can make a space for your customers by first approaching quietly, unobtrusively ? I don't know as I don't know what is going on with this but hopefully you can find something here that you can use and apply.
 

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Damn I read it wrongly as 10>25 and it was 10>45 :duh: how did that happen...


Scrap what I said about 25 then.

In 45 one gathers one's resources together to invest them and to make the process of growth secure....so I think now the cast is more to do with being careful with resources, taking those kind of Tiger risks perhaps.

Ah not all my fault there was a typo in your initial post


The answer was 10.1.2.6 > 25,
Thank goodness I'm not totally losing my mind
 

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Thank you so much Trojina, I really appreciate your take on this and taking the time. It really resonates with the situation indeed! What you say about starting an activity but starting it "private" (with a small "test group") was indeed one of the options.

Would you say that (apart from the "feeling" of the reading and the experience you've had with this kind of hex. results), we could get to that same conclusion by putting the most emphasis on the middle changing line (line 2)? At least that's what I thought, but was wondering how the fact of having lines 1+6 changing (not only in this particular reading, but in general) interfered with that.

Thanks again!

PS: oh, and sorry for the typo! You are definitely not losing your mind, I am! :D
 

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Would you say that (apart from the "feeling" of the reading and the experience you've had with this kind of hex. results), we could get to that same conclusion by putting the most emphasis on the middle changing line (line 2)? At least that's what I thought, but was wondering how the fact of having lines 1+6 changing (not only in this particular reading, but in general) interfered with that.

No I see no reason to put the emphasis on the 2nd line. If the 2nd line alone were your answer you would have received 10.2 but you didn't you got other lines too. As I don't think line 2 is of most importance I can't see that the other lines 'interfere' with it. It's a whole picture, a story with varying tones and themes that may be all there at once or occur sequentially.

I'd hesitate to use the word 'conclusion' for any Yi interpretation because there isn't just one. The interpretation offered you is mine, another would not see it exactly the same way so there's no hard conclusion as such and of course your own interpretation is most important.

The lines are all there because they are part of the reading. The lines also create a skeleton pattern whereby you can see the underlying hexagrams, the ones just visible. Here if you make all the change lines yang you have 41 as yang pattern and if you make all the change lines yin you have 31. What the change patterns signify is still open to interpretation but some say they show the gateways to the reading, what you come to reading with and how you pass through the reading.
 

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According to the Nanjing rules, 10.1.2.6 = 10.6 > 58. You can include 45 if you wish, but it is not necessary for the reading. All in all, it is very favorable, an excellent beginning with bright prospects, and like the Yi saying, "Welcome! Ask me another!".
 

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Definitely include the 45, since it is part of your reading. 58 was nowhere in your reading, best to ignore it.

There is a cautionary aspect to both 10 and 45. (with 10 it is caution for your interactions with another that requires respectful conduct because of the power imbalance, and with 45 there is counsel to 'be prepared for anything': have your weapons nearby.)

The time I received 10.6 was after being physically attacked by a large man on alcohol and cocaine. The supreme good fortune is when you get home and count your fingers and toes and find them still present.

Taking all the lines and two hexagrams into consideration, I see it as saying, yes go ahead and tread forward (alone/line 2) and be cautious of any potential danger from known and unknown sources (even allies or partners.)

line 1 and two say to proceed,
line 6 shows an element of danger that you'll have to sucessfully sidestep,
so you'll have to figure out what that is.

(hint, ask Yi)
 

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Thank you Trojina again for your answer.

I understand indeed that all lines are important, however, isn't there one line that carries more weight than the others, just in case lines are saying complete opposite things? The reason I was saying that the emphasis was put on line 2 is because I have often read that in case 3 lines are changing one should specially look upon the middle changing line. I guess there are different takes on this, and one needs to experience the way that works better for him/her (so far, I've found that using the rules that put some emphasis on a specific line -when there are several lines changing- was quite useful).

Take care,
 

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Thank you Moss Elk for your wise and funny answer. It does go in the same direction as Trojina and my own feeling. I will ask the Yi about that danger! Will keep you posted ;)

Take care,
 

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I understand indeed that all lines are important, however, isn't there one line that carries more weight than the others, just in case lines are saying complete opposite things?
No. You have asked me twice now and the answer is a definite 'no'. No no no :cool: There isn't one line that carries more weight in case the lines say opposite things. At least I have been consulting for over 40 years and have never once seen the need to give one line more weight. There's simply no real basis for doing that unless you find it works for you then use it. I think it's just way of truncating Yi's answer so you don't have to deal with complexity which shows a misunderstanding of how lines work together.

Take an ordinary conversation about the weather. You can see in the answer several contradictory things are said in one sentence, just like in the lines of a hexagram. Do we insist the respondent only say one thing ?

'Do you think we should walk across town to see Mary or shall we take a bus ?

'I'm not sure, it's fine now (one line), later it's going to rain heavily (another line perhaps) but if we go too early to avoid the rain Mary may not be in (and another line)'.

'Oh that is too complicated, you are saying opposite things. I think what I will do is only allow you to say one of those things then I won't be confused.'

'Okay but you missed half of what I meant'

So why do you just want to narrow down Yi's answer to a little bit of it because you read some rule somewhere ? I don't know, do it if you want but I would never even consider such a thing. You got the whole answer, use the whole answer, one line is not more weighty than another and doesn't become so because it seems to make life easier for the diviner.


Also different lines can actually indicate different options you have in a situation. You can either do it one way in one line or another way in the other line. I think experience guides you in how to take different lines together.

The reason I was saying that the emphasis was put on line 2 is because I have often read that in case 3 lines are changing one should specially look upon the middle changing line. I guess there are different takes on this, and one needs to experience the way that works better for him/her (so far, I've found that using the rules that put some emphasis on a specific line -when there are several lines changing- was quite useful).
So someone cannot cope with the whole conversation and so truncates it and says the middle line carries more weight...and maybe they are following a tradition, or some complicated method...or maybe it works for them, I don't know but I wouldn't advise anyone to do that and I've never seen any need whatsoever to do that myself. But if it works for you use it and see what happens. But no I don't see any value or benefit in doing that.
 

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Hi Trojina, thank you again for your time.

I really appreciate your take on this, having worked successfully like that for 40 years is indeed a good reason to be so unambiguous about that question :)

Being less seasoned with the I Ching practice (just 1 year consulting and learning very intensively), the reason I was asking, was exactly to have a take on the different ways of doing it, since so far I have read more often than not, about the rules I was talking about (in order to put emphasis on 1 specific line in case there are several lines changing and there are contradictory readings in them).

Your answer sounds as if as if I was making up this to ease my task, or as if I was stubbornly and deliberately seeking to amputate the I Ching of part of its meaning. I assure you this is not the case, it just happens that every time I've looked up about how to deal with several lines changing, these rules come up (the I Ching reference book in French, by Javary, for instance uses this, or here also are several reference texts that deal with this: https://www.biroco.com/yijing/basics.htm)

Really, I am open to whichever method works, I just wanted to know your view on this. Thank you so much for sharing it with me. I'll keep the "all-line" readings in mind and see how that works ;)

All the best!
 

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Your answer sounds as if as if I was making up this to ease my task, or as if I was stubbornly and deliberately seeking to amputate the I Ching of part of its meaning. I assure you this is not the case, it just happens that every time I've looked up about how to deal with several lines changing, these rules come up (the I Ching reference book in French, by Javary, for instance uses this, or here also are several reference texts that deal with this: https://www.biroco.com/yijing/basics.htm)
Oh yes I wasn't just meaning you re the amputation it's how I see all those methods where people try to compress lines to give one line more weight etc. I have no time for them whatsoever. There are far more useful ways of dealing with multiple moving lines without insisting only one line carries most of the meaning. Hilary's Foundation Course is good for getting a grip on these.

I wondered why you'd asked me twice did I not think one line carried more weight as if you were somehow urging me to think it was the correct way. Anyway by now you know what I think :D and of course there's no reason you can't go on looking to the middle line and also look at the other lines and by your own experience use what works for you.
 

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line 1 and two say to proceed,
line 6 shows an element of danger that you'll have to sucessfully sidestep,
so you'll have to figure out what that is.

(hint, ask Yi)
Just as a follow up on this: I did ask Yi about that danger and got 45(again but as 1st hex).3.5.6 > 56, which I read as not being able to gather the correct people in order to start the activity, or as not being convincing, not followed.


Thanks again!
This might be quite a mid-long-term reading, but I will try, one day, not to forget to update this threat with how this goes... :)
 

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