15.3 > 2

[ginnie]

I've gotten this line three times in the past couple of weeks. It is interesting that it is considered to be a "green light" by many. The auspice is certainly favorable to advance.

We might feel this is what anybody would do, given the situation.

Once when I got this line, the task was arduous, very expensive, or would have taken a long time to complete ... So I did not go forward right away. But having set that goal, a less arduous, less expensive, and less time-consuming way to reach that goal appeared soon afterward ...

Does 15.3 indicate the average way to go forward? But with the hidden meaning that often we're better off not going forward the same way the average person would?

 

[bradford]

It means we're best off simply concentrating on the task at hand, not how advanced we are or how we're advancing.

 

[sooo]

I guess I'm in the 'green light/put up or shut up' crowd on this one, with conditions or qualifications being part of the equation: it is only the best and most authentic which carries the matter through to a completion or conclusion. Therefore, I view it as proactive for the right person, or to someone who can rise to the challenge. Modesty in our usual sense is expressed by not overstating what we can do, but simply doing it.

 

[Trojina]

I've gotten this line three times in the past couple of weeks. It is interesting that it is considered to be a "green light" by many. The auspice is certainly favorable to advance.

We might feel this is what anybody would do, given the situation.

Once when I got this line, the task was arduous, very expensive, or would have taken a long time to complete ... So I did not go forward right away. But having set that goal, a less arduous, less expensive, and less time-consuming way to reach that goal appeared soon afterward ...

Does 15.3 indicate the average way to go forward? But with the hidden meaning that often we're better off not going forward the same way the average person would?

I tend to associate it when actually looking to a false humilityas a reason to not do something....theres often a question of whether its ones place to do something or not, there would seem perhaps to be better people around who might do it but I think 15.3 cuts throught that prevarication. Don't use excuses here especially of false humility. If it needs doing, you can do it and you are there to do it, do it.

Suprising how often 15 and its lines can come up when one is secretly looking for some complex reason as excuse as to why one shouldn't really undertake something that needs undertaking

 

[ginnie]

Here is what LiSe says about 15.3:

9 at 3: Laboring give-and-take. A noble one brings to completion. Auspicious.
Do what you do, as good as you are. You don't have to strive for results or recognition. Just doing and being what you can does the job, it will attract results and people. Being what you are matters more than showing what you are.

I "get it." Perhaps in modern language we would say that setting the intention draws the desired result. Some would say that through the law of attraction we will manifest what is needed. Other people would say that no prayer goes unanswered. It's so often a question of vocabulary, self-talk, and the way we put something to ourselves.

I put it this way to myself: I'll send my wishes out into the universe and then be quiet and listen for the reply. Doing less, and being more myself, because "thoughts are things."

Thank you, Trojan, Soooo, and Bradford for your help.

 

[sooo]

Perhaps in modern language we would say that setting the intention draws the desired result. Some would say that through the law of attraction we will manifest what is needed. Other people would say that no prayer goes unanswered. It's so often a question of vocabulary, self-talk, and the way we put something to ourselves.

I put it this way to myself: I'll send my wishes out into the universe and then be quiet and listen for the reply. Doing less, and being more myself, because "thoughts are things."

Well said, Ginnie. :bows:

However, I think setting the intention, while drawing a result, may be other than the result we had intended, expected or hoped for. That's why I like your second comment as a compliment to your first.

I had an image of 15 yesterday, of mountain bowing before earth, as a royal youngest son might honor his mother.

 

[ginnie]

I think setting the intention, while drawing a result, may be other than the result we had intended, expected or hoped for.

Yeah, when those results show up, they are always filled with quirks we never expected. I guess that's why they say: I got what I needed, not what I wanted.

I had an image of 15 yesterday, of mountain bowing before earth, as a royal youngest son might honor his mother.

Honoring and devotion speak to the very nature of 15. How do we best honor and show our devotion? That was what my questions were about.

 

[rosada]

I think it's useful to note that 15.3 is the top of the mountain trigram. Mountain often implies a boundary or limitation of some sort. I found this line to indicate going as far as one can go in a situation - do all you can do - and then let it go, without demanding a specific response.

Do your best,
Release the rest.

Rosada

 

[ginnie]

Do your best,
Release the rest.

Wise words!

 

[vakos]

Have you noticed that 2:3>15 mirrors 15:3>2 in a wonderful way?

Both have moving lines that are "on the threshold" (line 3) and both speak on concentrating on the task at hand without seeking recognition or reward.

I would say that 15>2 is more auspicious than 2>15... in terms of how much one can do with the question of inquiry.

 

[ginnie]

2.3 says to me: concealment would be better. 2.3 is what is called the "fan yao" of 15.3, isn't it? A mirror image.

Many people find the fan yao's interesting, but I don't use the fan yao's in interpretation, because I find the extra ideas rather time-consuming to think about.

For example, when I asked my question, Yi answered with 15.3. The mountain is under the earth. It seems not to add much to my understanding to think of the mountain as being hidden or concealed under the earth.

Perhaps the mountain is considering moving upwards, through all that earth, to get something done that is big and difficult. But we are warned with 15.3 not to be carried away by grandiose plans. It takes humility to recognize our limitations.

As I understand it now, the message of 15 in general is to recognize our limitations; to be a modest person. That does not mean that what we want to do cannot be done. It often means there is a simpler, less labor-intensive way.

 

[anemos]

As I understand it now, the message of 15 in general is to recognize our limitations; to be a modest person. That does not mean that what we want to do cannot be done. It often means there is a simpler, less labor-intensive way.

Ginnie, not sure what you mean here. care to elaborate ?
I fail to see the less labor-intensive way in 15. The subject has to carry things through , to gross the river, its a lots of work to be done. Hex 15 is in a way a SWOT analysis and requires an as objective as it can be assessment. If there is a goal to be achieved a Hex 15 approach is to say "yeah , I have what it needs" or "no, better someone more qualified do it "

recently , regarding a decision whether to use the qualifications of a certain person I got lots of 15. I didn't want a modest person , i wanted the best I could have. My case was a difficult one and a success will give him good fame in his workplace, but I admired him a lot when he followed the advice of a more experience one with such a honorable way that showed to me that a good result was his main concern.

 

[ginnie]

I replied to this before and I don't know what happened to my post.

I didn't mean hexagram 15 in general. I was talking about 15.3. The words "labor" and "toiling" are often connected with line 15.3. "Toiling humbly," and sometimes a lot of work would be required, indeed.

 

[yxeli]

Hi-

Great post here...

Got this combination when asking how my sisters plan for a national monument will go. This morning I have to deliver her architectural plans for the proposed memorial garden to Dublin City Council :0

I then worded a question better to the Yi.. I asked if her proposal will be sucessful... I got 48..the well!

Incredibly appropriate. Her design is based around a pool of water. The competition is being set up by the irish government to recognise the victims of child abuse by the church here.

 

[Trojina]

Heh I asked Yi via theonline tool for comment on the fact that there was alot I had to do and instead i was spending time on the internet

I got 15.3 which i found very encouraging. I completed all I had to do that day

 

[rosada]

Your comment here, Trojan, about how you had a lot to do and after receiving this hexagram somehow it all got done, reminded me of an phenomenon I've been wanting to ask other's experience with. It seems to me that, occasionally, and I don't know how it happens sometimes and not others, it seems that just consulting the I Ching causes everything to change. For example, you might ask, "How should I handle this situation?" and the I Ching gives you an answer but then, before you act on the advice or do anything more - the situation resolves! It's like consulting the I Ching really did turn it over to a higher power. Anyone else connect with what I'm talking about? I don't mean to be off topic, I think some how this is a sort of 15.3 experience, where the man modestly says, "Oh I didn't do anything special" only it's really true, the man doesn't do anything, somehow the changes just happen.

rosada

 

[chingching]

that theme comes up quite a bit in the lines of many hex's, and I mean I'm seeing this in lines which just say; auspicious, there will be harvest, he can determine, without fault. You know the few word sentence ones. You all know them by number better than me.

these lines i find after the reading the situation changes without much on my behalf. But essentially its an attitude shift to, when you turn it over to a higher power you're no longer trying to control things you cant possibly control.

 

[Trojina]

Your comment here, Trojan, about how you had a lot to do and after receiving this hexagram somehow it all got done, reminded me of an phenomenon I've been wanting to ask other's experience with. It seems to me that, occasionally, and I don't know how it happens sometimes and not others, it seems that just consulting the I Ching causes everything to change. For example, you might ask, "How should I handle this situation?" and the I Ching gives you an answer but then, before you act on the advice or do anything more - the situation resolves! It's like consulting the I Ching really did turn it over to a higher power. Anyone else connect with what I'm talking about? I don't mean to be off topic, I think some how this is a sort of 15.3 experience, where the man modestly says, "Oh I didn't do anything special" only it's really true, the man doesn't do anything, somehow the changes just happen.

rosada

yes often i get a sense of refreshment/simplifying from Yi if things have seemed arduous, heavy, difficult, insurmountable. The time I spoke about I was getting very tense becasue I'd got things to get done, things to learn , by a deadline, and instead of doing that I appeared to be gazing compulsively at this forum and other internet delights and my stomach was in a bit of a knot and my knickers were definately in a twist. I felt there was something very difficult about putting my attention where it needed to go to do what I had to do. 15.3 made everything seem pretty simple somehow and inspired confidence and it didn't feel so difficult anymore to just do what I had to do although it still took some focused determination So yes the cast itself seemed to change my perception of my own situation. I was feeling ' oh no I don't seem to be able to do what I need to do' and it felt like Yi said 'oh look there you are doing it' simples

Some do say casting Yi changes the situation which is why its important not to repetetively cast about the same thing. I recall someone somewhere even saying a good omen could become a less good one if you don't stop at the good omen and press on with the asking.

 

[rosada]

Yeah, I think doing a reading is like drawing blood. It might be able to tell you something but if you do too many you bleed to death...

rosada

 

[ginnie]

before you act on the advice or do anything more - the situation resolves! It's like consulting the I Ching really did turn it over to a higher power. Anyone else connect with what I'm talking about?

Yes, totally

 

[butterfly spider]

Just a quick addition here this thread has just been so helpful-
Thank you

I cast today - the question - Am I taking the right attitude and steps to keep my blood pressure in control for an impending operation (it is like a Big Dipper).
15.3 to 2

Bradford you were spot on again - Do what I can do - nothing more

Thank you all
X

 

[thisismybody]

Just wanted to add to this thread.
Q: what's meaningful for me to know about these two stories of success despite the unlikeliness? Is there a message?

Yi: 15.3 >2

I've heard 2 success stories about men who went to prison for 11 and 7 years respectively. The latter was supposed to serve a 65 year sentence and got out with good behavior. He's a big deal in the area because he was a college football star who has succeeded despite his past and drug problem (crime ring and meth). The former served 11 years for getting into a bar fight and still managed to work his way up to be wealthy and successful--first as a millwright (working hard for years before he was offered something better) and then for a large gas company, despite his record. Edit: Funny thing is, he's actually the brother of a guy I work with whom I've always thought looks like my father!

This seemed meaningful to me, as my father went to prison for almost killing a man for 11 years also, as did the man mentioned above, but did not make it, or did not succeed. He died 11 years ago from a drug overdose. He was out for maybe 3 years. He went to prison when I was 7 or 8.

These stories really caught my attention. I got quite a nudge from them.

What strikes me is that both "toiled" and brought it to completion (ongoing success), despite the work and potential to not beat the odds. It obviously can be done, even if you're a felon and a drug addict. Pure luck? No way. Miraculous? Maybe. The consequence of great resolve? Yes, definitely.

I like the Yi's message here.

 

[Danubegal]

Very helpful interpretation. I got this reading when asking about a job offer in a rather unknown and chaotic situation. I am indeed very afraid (job is far away, will be very demanding) and have been seeking warning signs telling me not to go.

""Suprising how often 15 and its lines can come up when one is secretly looking for some complex reason as excuse as to why one shouldn't really undertake something that needs undertaking"".

Very true.

 

[thisismybody]

I want to add that I see what rosada and many others were saying. There seems to be an element of a higher power toiling on behalf of the person who has rough terrain ahead. Much of our success is a combination of our resolve, others lending a hand, timing, and some kind of grace or fate or divine intervention.

The other thing that strikes me is that 2 doesn't seem to entail "toil." It's more of allowing and receiving, but we have to allow or meet it. Bradford really summed it up. Do your best and let it go. Get out of your own way.

 

[post-snow]

Here is what LiSe says about 15.3:

9 at 3: Laboring give-and-take. A noble one brings to completion. Auspicious.
Do what you do, as good as you are. You don't have to strive for results or recognition. Just doing and being what you can does the job, it will attract results and people. Being what you are matters more than showing what you are.

I "get it." Perhaps in modern language we would say that setting the intention draws the desired result. Some would say that through the law of attraction we will manifest what is needed. Other people would say that no prayer goes unanswered. It's so often a question of vocabulary, self-talk, and the way we put something to ourselves.

I put it this way to myself: I'll send my wishes out into the universe and then be quiet and listen for the reply. Doing less, and being more myself, because "thoughts are things."

Thank you, Trojan, Soooo, and Bradford for your help.

oh thanks this is so helpful!