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16.5>45 and 2.5,6>20: getting out of the hole

ben_s

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Sorry that this runs a bit long, but it's one of a handful of heavy issues weighing me down until I get a resolution.

Someone else was hurt by other people, and put through a bad situation. I have given up too much of my life, at tremendous cost to me, to help the victim reclaim an ordinary life. The intention to help was good. But I did more than I really had to do, at the expense of taking care of my own basic needs. I asked the Yi for advice.

First question: I want to see this person get the help they need, but without their recovery consuming all of my life.

16.5 enthusiasm > 45 gathering together

Six in the fifth place means: Persistently ill, and still does not die. Here enthusiasm is obstructed. A man is under constant pressure, which prevents him from breathing freely.

The person will not die if I do not endlessly help them. The effort to always be there for them, carrying them or providing CPR so to speak, becomes a constant pressure that keeps me from my own life.

Gathering Together shows that both the other person and me can each find our right groups of people to help us. The other person does not have to desperately cling to me, nor do I have to always be there for them.

Follow-up question: How do I get free of the oppression of the constant pressure of 16.5.
2.5,6 receptive > 20 contemplation

My life has been made excessively yin - including giving up my powers to think for myself, see for myself, hear for myself, speak for myself. I've given up the protectively blocking Yang power to have healthy boundaries - to close my heart to destructive negativity that I can't solve. This is very bad news for a guy, even a sensitive one!

and now that has to change
which is a hell of a relief actually

Six in the fifth place... When anyone is called upon to work in a prominent but not independent position, true success depends on the utmost discretion. A man's genuineness and refinement should not reveal themselves directly; they should express themselves only indirectly as an effect from within.

That's fine, but being this person's servant is NOT my calling in life. I am not called upon to work in this kind of position, I fell or was pushed into it!

In the top place the dark element should yield to the light. If it attempts to maintain a position to which it is not entitled and to rule instead of serving, it draws down upon itself the anger of the strong. A struggle ensues in which it is overthrown, with injury, however, to both sides.

That's where we're at now.

20 My job is to get my head and heart straightened out by following my own inner light. My own conscience and spiritual life must be my guide, instead of being buffeted around by the emotional upheaval of others. Then my inspiration from inside myself is inspiring leadership to many. The life I should live is to share a unique perspective that helps many people (there's that consulting angle again). I am not to give up everything to be the humble servant of just one person who really should take more of my advice rather than my energy, time and money (2.6).

Third question: This person wants to be a principal in my new consulting venture. What is the outcome of letting them do that, instead of just hiring them as a subcontractor when I need their skills.

5.1,2,4 > 31

This seems like a great big red flag warning signal to me.

Final question: and what if this person is a subcontractor only, not a principal?

17.4 > 3

Flatterers no, helpers yes. It's OK to use this person as a hired hand, but not to give them an extra set of keys to my desk!
 

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Dear Ben,
You haven't asked us a question here, maybe your intention was to just share your thought process. 16.5 certainly seems to be a close fit for describing the situation. I wonder if the change to 45 would also indicate that this man's recovery should involve a wider circle of friends so you aren't his only source of support? It takes a village to raise a child and even more to raise a fallen comrade! My take on 2.5.6>20 is to see it as cautioning you not even to give advice, to just be a listening ear. Finally as to bringing him in closer work-wise that's a real no brainer. 5. WAIT until there is a real 31.INFLUENCE to do more. It may even be that he will play a larger role after you are up and running, but to try to determine what that role is now would only create 3.Difficulty at the beginning.
Best wishes,
Rosada
 

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You haven't asked us a question here, maybe your intention was to just share your thought process.

You're right, Rosada. I'm sorry I didn't make that clear. My attitude was, "Please comment, what do you think?" You helped me I realize I didn't actually write that. Oops! :blush: I'm glad that you figured it out anyway. :)

It takes a village to raise a child and even more to raise a fallen comrade!

I love the way you put that! Yes, my hope is that many people will gather to help this person who really does deserve help. They need more help than I can provide on my own.

not even to give advice, to just be a listening ear

I really like that advice too. I have tried to give some advice... Actually I've tried to give a lot of advice. My advice is based on what I have seen in business, which is a lot more than this other person has seen. I have to explain a whole lot of things before I can even get to the advice. This is tiring for both of us.

I would really prefer to just be a listening ear, and let other people give the specific advice the person needs. Most of the advice they need is not about business anyway, but about the other areas where they need help.

5. WAIT until there is a real 31.INFLUENCE to do more. It may even be that he will play a larger role after you are up and running

Thank you for helping me see this in a new way. The other person does have some excellent skills that I don't have. Once their other problems in life are out of the way, they might be a good ongoing contributor, or even business partner. Your approach is flexible enough to wait and see what happens.

I have been so concerned about what to do first that I forgot it's OK to make changes later on. I guess I had been thinking of the business "launch" like a ship that would be alone on the ocean for a long time. Everything has to be perfectly loaded before it's safe to leave shore. I have to admit that this mindset has been making me stressed out.

Maybe instead I should find a new metaphor, perhaps planting a garden. Different containers can hold different flowers from time to time. Sometimes, a new tree gets put into the ground. There's no rush.

Thanks again for your insight. :bows:
 

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First question: I want to see this person get the help they need, but without their recovery consuming all of my life.

16.5 enthusiasm > 45 gathering together

The line suggests that you need to concentrate on the essentials, it is quality and not quantity that this person needs.


Follow-up question: How do I get free of the oppression of the constant pressure of 16.5.
2.5,6 receptive > 20 contemplation

Both lines speak of reserve in your dealings with this person and Hex 20 is telling you that you need to stand further back to see the trees.


Third question: This person wants to be a principal in my new consulting venture. What is the outcome of letting them do that?

5.1,2,4 > 31

Principal no.


Final question: and what if this person is a subcontractor only, not a principal?

17.4 > 3

Again, advises no.
 

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Thank you, Willowfox.

The other person and I had a deeply heartfelt talk after I posted here. The other person went through a long term, very destructive and abusive situation before we met. It's amazing they are still "alive & kicking" after all they've been through.

After coming out the other side, they are still afraid to have hope in dreams or plans. The feeling is that "the other shoe will drop" at any moment: an unexpected destroyer will get them. As a result, they have identified a self-imposed tendency to subconsciously undermine plans. This way, they fail before the "inevitable" destruction from outside comes back to knock over everything they have built.

Fortunately, this person is working hard in therapy to overcome these issues. They're also reaching out for more help from church, social workers, and other friends, because they realize I simply don't have a way to heal all their hurts. Meanwhile they respect that I need to not have my business planning held back by their issues.

As you explained, I can offer higher quality help if I help them see the forest, rather than get lost with them bumping into the trees.
 

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I see this as a need for you to cut their dependency upon you, they have to learn to survive for themselves, it is for you to see the trees and not just the clutter of their life. Also, getting help from a million people is not going to help them in any way, all he needs is just that one person to light their fire, quality.
 

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Also, getting help from a million people is not going to help them in any way, all he needs is just that one person to light their fire, quality.

That's also very helpful advice. I will pass it along, because this person sometimes runs to crowds for advice (think of someone on a game show), when it would be smarter to find one high quality adviser who has a proven record of success. Thank you!
 

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