19.2.24- Time to give up life abroad and return to the US? :(

[Danubegal]

Assistance sought for a major life decision!
I have been living outside the US since the mid-1970s, and am now 65. In the last year or so I have become widowed, and also lost a prized job. At my age, I don't see many work prospects ahead in the small, poor country I live in now, and am becoming increasingly depressed since most of my social life was connected to work, leaving me quite isolated. I have enough savings that I could hang on quite while if I live like a local impoverished widow, and at least maintain my independence. But maybe pride has been getting in my way, because I am certainly not happy in current circumstances. One of the few options I have is returning to the US, where I can live with a rich, conservative and rather judgmental brother who will expect me to take any minimum wage job (I will not be able to get another professional one in this US location), using practically non-existent public transport system even with arthritis. He has always been very harsh with me, but in fact in many ways we actually get along quite well as he is also alone, with a son just about to leave home. I have been, of course, very hesitant about this move, fearing I might be trapped, or that he might say cruel things. In the past he has mentioned food stamps and homeless housing, and if that is all he thinks I'm worth, I would seriously rather die.

Hex 19 seems to suggest that going to the US is not a bad idea, but that it could be important for me to get the timing right. Does Evil in the Eighth Month suggest I should not put it off, further whittling away at my savings? Or could it mean the opposite, that it would be better to wait longer, until my brother's son has left home?

Moreover, I get the impression that returning to the US need not necessarily mean a permanent state of affairs, only a good idea for the present. I take this from Hex 24, Returning, which suggests I don't approach this as a nerve-wracking life decision, which might put too much stress on both of us, but approach it as a temporary solution and figure out over time if it can work out.

I would very much appreciate some friendly input here, as I am inclined to see negatives, though this is far from a negative reading. I am just very afraid to make the jump! Thank you!

 

[Trojina]

there's a number of threads now where you have replies but don't go back to


this one

which is around the same issues you write about now but you never went back to that thread ?

and this one and this one


I realise you are facing difficult times but I don't feel new threads can be addressed when previous responses about the same thing have been seemingly ignored ? You're asking people to think about quite complex and serious issues and then compose an answer and write it out for you but if you never go back I don't see why they should bother ?

Possibly it wasn't your intention to show disregard for previous responses, perhaps you couldn't find the thread again, but I have put the links in in blue above for you.

You need to acknowledge and give feedback on previous replies before moving on to ask again.

 

[Danubegal]

Mea culpa. I had forgotten to turn on email alerts and thought nobody was replying! I have now answered them and hope nobody will give up making contributions. Thanks for the reminder!

 

[diamanda]

Time to give up life abroad and return to the US?
19.2 > 24
The answer says don't go it alone, act in conjunction with other(s). So if you have strong allies in the US, with who you can act as one with, then yes. However, 24 is not great for a great crossing. Also your answer doesn't mention anything about a temporary solution (that would be for example a 56, or a 54, or a 55.1 etc etc). If this was my cast I wouldn't go.

 

[Danubegal]

Interesting interpretation, so if I can trouble you further, I am curious why you take it more negatively than I do (and I've certainly been wrong before). The alliance is actually with my brother. After many years of misunderstandings and mutual suspicion, we became much closer taking care of our dying mother some years ago. I have stayed with him for anywhere from 2 weeks to two months in the past, and on a day to day basis we get on splendidly, since we both shared the same shitty upbringing and are experiencing loneliness in our old age. Yes, there could be some difficulties as I am very much the poor relation, and I sensed this in hex 24, to see the experience as a hiatus and let things follow there own course. On the DeKorne site is says: "There is advantage in choosing one's path" is rendered by Wilhelm as: "It furthers one to have somewhere to go." The idea is that when you are consciously on a path, the cycles begin to work in your favor. Instead of a monotonous round of inconclusive and random events, one's life takes on structure and purpose and inner progress becomes discernable".

As to 19, Approach, one interpretation is: Ritsema/Karcher: Nearing, Spring Growing Harvesting Trial. Culminating tending-towards the eighth moon: possessing a pitfall. [This hexagram describes your situation in terms of approaching and being approached. It emphasizes that acting without immediately expecting to attain what you desire is the adequate way to handle it...]

I agree it would be best not to have any expectations. The situation could be delicate. But on the other hand, my brother has had a stroke in the past and could really use some help around the house (and appreciates it). I have enough money of my own that I will not be a financial burden. I am just not so sure it will be as easy for me to find a job as he thinks it is. And for line 2, I see nothing but positives.

So back to hex 24, where there is much discussion of returning for the winter solstice, and where I senses a hiatus. Elsewhere I read: Wilhelm/Baynes:Return. Success. Going out and coming in without error. Friends come without blame. To and fro goes the way. On the seventh day comes return. It furthers one to have somewhere to go.

Blofeld: Return. Success! All going forth and coming in is free from harm. [For it is only when the whole series is completed that we can understand the reasons for many things (death, winter and so on) which, at the time, seemed unproductive, negative or positively evil.] Friends arrive and no error is involved. They return whence they came, spending seven days in all upon their coming and returning. It is favorable to have in view some goal (or destination).

Liu:Return:success. One goes out and comes back in without harm. Friends arrive without blame. Going to and fro is the way. Returning on the seventh day. It benefits one to go anywhere. [Return or Revival signifies a bad time becoming better... Anyone receiving this hexagram should prepare for a great opportunity...]

I really appreciate your help, Diamanda, in seeing what negatives I am missing here. Once I realized that going to the US didn't necessarily mean staying there, I felt much calmer. And I do feel my brother and I need each other at this time of life more than either of us has cared to admit. x

 

[Danubegal]

what did I miss here? Further query.

Interesting interpretation, so if I can trouble you further, I am curious why you take it more negatively than I do (and I've certainly been wrong before). The alliance is actually with my brother. After many years of misunderstandings and mutual suspicion, we became much closer taking care of our dying mother some years ago. I have stayed with him for anywhere from 2 weeks to two months in the past, and on a day to day basis we get on splendidly, since we both shared the same shitty upbringing and are experiencing loneliness in our old age. Yes, there could be some difficulties as I am very much the poor relation, and I sensed this in hex 24, to see the experience as a hiatus and let things follow there own course. On the DeKorne site is says: "There is advantage in choosing one's path" is rendered by Wilhelm as: "It furthers one to have somewhere to go." The idea is that when you are consciously on a path, the cycles begin to work in your favor. Instead of a monotonous round of inconclusive and random events, one's life takes on structure and purpose and inner progress becomes discernable".

As to 19, Approach, one interpretation is: Ritsema/Karcher: Nearing, Spring Growing Harvesting Trial. Culminating tending-towards the eighth moon: possessing a pitfall. [This hexagram describes your situation in terms of approaching and being approached. It emphasizes that acting without immediately expecting to attain what you desire is the adequate way to handle it...]

I agree it would be best not to have any expectations. The situation could be delicate. But on the other hand, my brother has had a stroke in the past and could really use some help around the house (and appreciates it). I have enough money of my own that I will not be a financial burden. I am just not so sure it will be as easy for me to find a job as he thinks it is. And for line 2, I see nothing but positives.

So back to hex 24, where there is much discussion of returning for the winter solstice, and where I senses a hiatus. Elsewhere I read: Wilhelm/Baynes:Return. Success. Going out and coming in without error. Friends come without blame. To and fro goes the way. On the seventh day comes return. It furthers one to have somewhere to go.

Blofeld: Return. Success! All going forth and coming in is free from harm. [For it is only when the whole series is completed that we can understand the reasons for many things (death, winter and so on) which, at the time, seemed unproductive, negative or positively evil.] Friends arrive and no error is involved. They return whence they came, spending seven days in all upon their coming and returning. It is favorable to have in view some goal (or destination).

Liu:Return:success. One goes out and comes back in without harm. Friends arrive without blame. Going to and fro is the way. Returning on the seventh day. It benefits one to go anywhere. [Return or Revival signifies a bad time becoming better... Anyone receiving this hexagram should prepare for a great opportunity...]

I really appreciate your help, Diamanda, in seeing what negatives I am missing here. Once I realized that going to the US didn't necessarily mean staying there, I felt much calmer. And I do feel my brother and I need each other at this time of life more than either of us has cared to admit. x

 

[diamanda]

The reason I read it 'negative' is because your question mentioned travelling to a different continent, a great crossing indeed.
However your cast said "in conjunction with someone" (obviously this is your brother), and 24 also says that in the time of solstice people did not travel, they just stayed nearby.
So put the two above together and I hope you can see why I said it doesn't sound good for big endeavours.

 

[Danubegal]

An update to this reading is that I have since been offered a job abroad starting Sept 2019 - not a great one, but the offer has lifted my spirits. This seems to confirm my sense of the reading, that the trip to the US need not be permanent, coming and going without blame. It is important for me to establish a home base (and US mailing address!) and work on my relationship with my brother, but the suggestion seems to be that this will not be a permanent state of affairs. Does that make sense to you, too, Diamanda?

 

[Danubegal]

I also think that ''evil in the eighth" month might suggest that by August 2019 we might be getting on each others' nerves, so could be a good time to depart!

 

[diamanda]

Your original question sounded as if you're asking if it is now time to return to the US. September is almost a year ahead, so I don't know if this same cast applies to so far away. What time-frame did you have in mind when you cast?

Yes it all makes sense - if we take it by pure logic. You sound determined to go back, on a temporary basis - that's great and good for you and I'm wishing you all the best. If I go by your cast though, to me it clearly says that it's not time to relocate and nothing in the reading shows a good temporary solution by travelling.

 

[Danubegal]

thanks again

Diamanda, you may well be right- time will tell. But the truth is I didn't see myself with much option as I have been isolated and unemployed where I am now. Some change seemed crucial. I will go to the US in mid-Jan, where I have some personal finance and other issues to sort, have a job option abroad for September, and in the meantime will be looking for other work. I am open to Flow here, not making any heavy decisions right now, because I can't.

When I first cast, I was wondering about returning to the US permanently. None of my readings on that came out with much encouragement, and suggested instead (in my interpretation) that I leave plans open. I am not too optimistic about getting any professional work in the US, and see other issues that could trip me up trying to work there (age, health etc) but it seems the best temp solution to set up a home base there, settle my personal affairs and then look to move on again.

I really appreciate your input!

Your original question sounded as if you're asking if it is now time to return to the US. September is almost a year ahead, so I don't know if this same cast applies to so far away. What time-frame did you have in mind when you cast?

Yes it all makes sense - if we take it by pure logic. You sound determined to go back, on a temporary basis - that's great and good for you and I'm wishing you all the best. If I go by your cast though, to me it clearly says that it's not time to relocate and nothing in the reading shows a good temporary solution by travelling.