19.2 to 24

[maremaria]

any ideas ?

 

[my_key]

Generally I feel this is something like - Something is going to happen to you soon that is going to bring about a fresh start for you. Taking you back to happier times.

Love and hugs

Mike

 

[dobro p]

any ideas ?

My most recent take on 19 is that it's about undertaking and overseeing something important - sort of like being a project manager for something important - and timing is of the essence, cuz it's a 'strike while the iron is hot' situation.

The 19.2 variation on that theme is about an influence that moves you to undertake and oversee something important, and how doing this is completely advantageous.

 

[lightofreason]

19.2 is influenced by the generic characteristics of hex 07 and so brings out 24 as the 07-ness of 19 to establish uniformity, socialisation from context, we keep repeating, coming back to the start - this brings out the sense of repetition and so 'order' that comes from such formal structure (as the army does). In the context of 19 there is the focus on approaching/deferring through repetition, getting it all 'right' through practice?

The IC+ interpretation on the traditional text treating 19.2 as a 'change' is:

Line 2
"Fate is always an influence but all opposition here is weak and even beneficial. Keep going."

...indicating repetition can get one through. (the beneficial expressed in the show of 'order' or 'intent' and the focus on 'fate' is a focus on a rule, a 'sure' path etc to follow - as covered in 24)

Chris.

 

[maremaria]

Mike, Dobro and Chris thanks.
Maria

 

[maremaria]

I asked "give me a line to give Trojan,Lightangel and Sparhawk" and I got 19.2 >24

Trojan,Lightangel and Sparhawk,
I can accept and I want to correct me, give me advice and disagree with my readings, intepretation and ideas about the I Ching, its history etc. Anything you would say is welcome and it migth help me to improve my knowdlege about it.

On the other hand, you are not allowed to critisize my feelings in such a way. Im my humble, naive- call it as you like - opinion feeling are something sacre and the place one put them is sacred too. IT IS NOT a playground. !!!!

Of course exposing ourself involves that risk. But I was amazed in a negative way, to see in a place where people talk about Zen and Tao and inner trouth and how to be quided from the examples of the "superior man" and avoid the mistakes of the "inferior man" such behaviors. Maybe I feel like that because I haven't understant well this "words" and "ideas"

Having fun, playing , joking is a very healthy, but imo, not with others people feelings. But again I maybe be wrong.
Few days ago, I experienced a violation. Compared to this one it wasn't a big deal.

"ladies" and "gendleman", you cross my line and your behavior is not Accepted.

As for the 19.2 > 24 any ideas ?

 

[Trojina]

I asked "give me a line to give Trojan,Lightangel and Sparhawk" and I got 19.2 >24

Trojan,Lightangel and Sparhawk,
I can accept and I want to correct me, give me advice and disagree with my readings, intepretation and ideas about the I Ching, its history etc. Anything you would say is welcome and it migth help me to improve my knowdlege about it.

On the other hand, you are not allowed to critisize my feelings in such a way. Im my humble, naive- call it as you like - opinion feeling are something sacre and the place one put them is sacred too. IT IS NOT a playground. !!!!

Of course exposing ourself involves that risk. But I was amazed in a negative way, to see in a place where people talk about Zen and Tao and inner trouth and how to be quided from the examples of the "superior man" and avoid the mistakes of the "inferior man" such behaviors. Maybe I feel like that because I haven't understant well this "words" and "ideas"

Having fun, playing , joking is a very healthy, but imo, not with others people feelings. But again I maybe be wrong.
Few days ago, I experienced a violation. Compared to this one it wasn't a big deal.

"ladies" and "gendleman", you cross my line and your behavior is not Accepted.

As for the 19.2 > 24 any ideas ?

What are you talking about ? If you are going to be personal do it in open space. Your 19.2 reading has no significance for me its about you, its your reading.

 

[maremaria]

As I said "Im my humble, naive- call it as you like - opinion feeling are something sacre and the place one put them is sacred too. IT IS NOT a playground. !!!! "

Trojan said : If you are going to be personal do it in open space.

If you mean the other thread in open space the answer is no. Unless you mean to open a new thread.

 

[Trojina]

Its up to you - only here is not the place for this kind of stuff.

 

[Trojina]

I will tack a post onto the 'white dog' thread since i think thats what you refer to ? That way you don't have to write this out again.

 

[luz]

Maremaria,

I have no idea what you talk about when you say that we made fun of your feelings. I don't think any of us mentioned your name, referred to your post, or in any other way made our jokes about you, related to you, even remotely! Is it because we wrote in "your" thread?

From my point of view, Bruce is the only person that might feel offended by any of our jokes. And last time I checked he had a healthy sense of humor so I hope he did not take any of it in the wrong way.

You know, I reluctantly apologize if you feel I made fun of you in any way. Reluctantly because I really think you are sparring with windmills here but apologize anyway to make it clear I have nothing against you and I even thought your post was nice.

And don't forget that not everything that goes around you is about you.

 

[Tohpol]

Maremaria,

I have no idea what you talk about when you say that we made fun of your feelings. I don't think any of us mentioned your name, referred to your post, or in any other way made our jokes about you, related to you, even remotely! Is it because we wrote in "your" thread?

From my point of view, Bruce is the only person that might feel offended by any of our jokes. And last time I checked he had a healthy sense of humor so I hope he did not take any of it in the wrong way.

You know, I reluctantly apologize if you feel I made fun of you in any way. Reluctantly because I really think you are sparring with windmills here but apologize anyway to make it clear I have nothing against you and I even thought your post was nice.

And don't forget that not everything that goes around you is about you.

Said the same thing over in Open Space. I think everyone is a bit nonplussed.

Maybe 19.2. > 24 just says join with others and discuss it. Once done get back on track (24).

Topal

 

[Sparhawk]

On the other hand, you are not allowed to critisize my feelings in such a way. Im my humble, naive- call it as you like - opinion feeling are something sacre and the place one put them is sacred too. IT IS NOT a playground. !!!!

Maria,

Tranquila mi'ja que la intención no fue criticar tu mensaje.

Now, where in my posts in the other thread did I address you initial post or criticized it? Actually, I didn't even read the whole thing or even read past the first two paragraphs. To me It sounded personal and heartfelt and wasn't comfortable finishing it. So, the target of my jokes wasn't you at all.

Best,

 

[dobro p]

Maremaria - those people weren't playing with your feelings, they were talking about their own feelings about Bruce leaving and they were having a good time with each other and making jokes, which is what they often do. They were focussed on Bruce's leaving; they weren't focussed on your feelings about Bruce's leaving. So if you want to accuse them of something, don't accuse them of playing with your feelings; accuse them of ignoring your feelings. Perhaps they were so surprised by the news of Bruce leaving that they didn't notice at first how tender you were feeling?

 

[maremaria]

Trojan,
I can understand why you felt hurt because Bruce didn’t communicate his decision to leave to you. He didn’t informed me either. I noticed that he was disconnected, I ask and I find it out. I felt hurt too for I while but at the same time I can understand him and accept his way. Sometimes is my way too.
As for the “Cancerians over sensitivity” I have a friend who used to say that.!! .It was her wapon in the scorpions Cave (we where 4) After a while she stop it. Maybe because with make fun about that.
Have you got planets in Scorpio because that “you hurt me, I hurt you back” is very Scorpion? I know because I am one .I try to control it but sometimes is too tempting to know the best place to sting the “enemy” .

Luis
The auto translation says “Calm mi'ja that the intention was not to criticize your message” I don’t know what “mi'ja” means because I’m not a Spanish.!
As for the question in English The answer is nowhere.(you didn't said anything about my feelings). I know you love to play and I enjoy your jokes but in this specific thread I felt differently. Maybe because it wasn't funny for me.

Lightangel,

I didn’t ask to say or do something reluctantly. When we use a phrase like “read like obituaries” about the feelings and the way one express we use it in a negative way, to make fun of it to say that all this are not important. Maybe you use it in another way that I am not aware

Dobro,
I know that I have I strange way to express myself and some people can’t see what is between the lines. The thread was not only about Bruce’s leaving but also about the people we meet in our lives and who I consider as important. Its about the mixed feeling of joy and sadness and the feeling of nostalgia where ‘home” can mean anything one wants.

Topal,
I agree with you. This is life !!!!
And as you said “let’s go back to the track” (24)
Whatever that means…..

Maria

 

[luz]

Well nothing wrong with obituaries, as far as I know. Some of them can be very moving.. I said that because everybody seemed to be saying 'good bye' to Bruce, like he was dead or something, which he is not. And, if you add to that the fact that he has gone and come back before, you can see why I find it amusing.

And as far as what the thread was about, you should have realized by now that threads go in many different directions and don't necessarily stay in the course that the creator intended. That is life, that is the forum.

I still can't believe you said you felt more violated by us than by your father's friend. I think you should be a bit less melodramatic.

And if you don't care for reluctance, I take my apology back. I don't really feel I owe it to you anyway.

 

[Sparhawk]

The auto translation says “Calm mi'ja that the intention was not to criticize your message” I don’t know what “mi'ja” means because I’m not a Spanish.!

I'm curious now: where are your from? Other than the general Mediterranean locale, I mean...

 

[maremaria]

I'm curious now: where are your from? Other than the general Mediterranean locale, I mean...

Greece. Maria is a common name here.

But you didn't answer my question . What “mi'ja” means ?

 

[Tohpol]

And as you said “let’s go back to the track” (24)
Whatever that means…..

Maria

"To get back on track" - that means not to take yourself too seriously and to return to the path. Wise management of energy rather than wasting it. In other words, you are making more out of this than you need to.

Topal

 

[Sparhawk]

Greece. Maria is a common name here.

But you didn't answer my question . What “mi'ja” means ?

Ah, I thought so...

About "mi'ja", it is an endearment that only makes sense in Spanish, really, specially for the way it is used, which isn't demeaning, as a literal translation may suggest. I would compare it to the English "dude."

 

[maremaria]

And if you don't care for reluctance, I take my apology back. I don't really feel I owe it to you anyway.

Ligthangel,

I didn't ask means I don't demand a apology and especially an unwilling one (if my dictionary is correct) And I mean that.

Let's agree we see things in a different way and close this disagreement.

maria

 

[maremaria]

About "mi'ja", it is an endearment that only makes sense in Spanish, really, specially for the way it is used, which isn't demeaning, as a literal translation may suggest. I would compare it to the English "dude."

Thanks for the translation.

 

[luz]

Let's agree we see things in a different way and close this disagreement.

Okay... but does it matter if I do it.. reluctantly??

I am kidding, of course.

Seriously, nobody made me apologize so it's not reluctant in that way, just in the sense that I did not feel I had made fun of you or disregarded your feelings at all, not by a long shot. I thought I explained I offered it as a show of good will, as I have absolutely nothing against you or your post for Bruce.

I do apologize willingly for having lost my patience a bit (?) as my last post was a bit harsh.

Disagreement closed?

 

[maremaria]

"To get back on track" - that means not to take yourself too seriously and to return to the path. Wise management of energy rather than wasting it. In other words, you are making more out of this than you need to.

Topal

Topal,
Please not another missuderstaning. I used your comment for a positive closing of my post . I thougth you said it that as "ok let's talk about that ,share our thougths closed it , to move on. We have a job to do.!!
I agree with the "Wise management of energy rather than wasting it" you said.

I was refering to the path by saying "Whatever that means…" The path each of us is looking for . In other words Question like "Which is the best path? " "Am I in the rigth path? " "What if I choose this or that path ?" where is that path and I don't see it !!!"

Questions like that , until one day ,I hope, we'll say "The path" means that !!!
In the midtime . Keep walking !!!!

Is that what you meant ?
Maria

 

[maremaria]

Disagreement closed?

we are ok I think !!!
Maria

ps
Sorry about this irrelevant icon. I wanted despertly to use it. It's very funny.

Hope this not cause A second round.

 

[dobro p]

Bet that cheered you up.

 

[Tohpol]

Is that what you meant ?
Maria

Sounds good to me. Now I am going to flirt with you too

Topal

 

[luz]

what is going on here???

I've been dying to use this one:

 

[maremaria]

 

[rosada]