2.1 to 24. Frosty feeling

[butterfly spider]

2.1 (Wilhelm)
When there is a hoarfrost underfoot
Solid ice is not far off

But hex 24 Returning? I cannot decide if this is returning to Spring- (which would indicate rejuvenation) or returning to frost yet again - somehow a cyclical repeating pattern.

I have only ever had 2.1 once changing to 24 and the outcome was indeed cold and hard in relation to a friend. We were meant to go on holiday (club 18-30 cheap and cheerful). I was offered an apartment in Sardinia (free) and asked her to come with me there instead. She wanted to meet men - and so we argued. Things were always a bit strained between us and eventually we lost contact - that was 35 years ago. The line has always puzzled me as it is about returning ... My interpretation being that the frozen feeling between us have melted...but I have been unsure and often look at this line as quite bleak

I ask today as I have had some quite 'frosty conversations with my eldest daughter - she is very unhappy and although she is seeking help with anxiety and her feelings- does feature her childhood heavily in her problems. I forwarded an email to her (regarding a job offer for her via a friend) and it has caused problems in that what I wrote was a misinterpretation. I always seem to put my foot in when I try and help.


I asked the question about how are things working out with my daughter - how best to approach.
I was taken back by the answer and it has left me feeling quite upset. The previous casting outcome - which incidentally I could see coming - the frosty communications led to complete frozen relations. But returning??

It is strange that I was thinking of my daughter and the wonderful times we had together when she was young. She said yesterday that she had had a dreadful childhood ....
I have a sense that 2.1 has something deeper at play. Almost as if the question that I am asking is more than the present misunderstanding - I am thinking on this but would appreciate advise - I am finding it difficult breaking the ice

 

[pocossin]

How are things working out with my daughter?
2.1 > 24

Give it a rest. Time heals all wounds. The situation will become positive if no interfering action is taken.

 

[butterfly spider]

Thank you my eldest daughter does not make a habit of contacting me so it is difficult gauging how she is. After I posted this thread she phoned and said that she finds it so hard coping with people. She said that even coming into contact with people in the street makes her scared. She said she might be on the autistic spectrum - her exact words were that she sees things in a mist - foggy and that she feels so cold towards people.

There is a limit to what I can do for her - and I will give it a rest. However I am still not quite sure where the casting has taken me with this. I suppose it could be seen as returning to the somewhat frosty reception that I get when I speak to her
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[butterfly spider]

I remember reading a translation about this line rather on the lines that when one knows that the ground will soon be hard and iced over we should not get out our spades and start to dig. We should wait until the thaw...

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[Trojina]

I asked the question about how are things working out with my daughter - how best to approach.
I was taken back by the answer and it has left me feeling quite upset. The previous casting outcome - which incidentally I could see coming - the frosty communications led to complete frozen relations. But returning??

It is strange that I was thinking of my daughter and the wonderful times we had together when she was young. She said yesterday that she had had a dreadful childhood ....
I have a sense that 2.1 has something deeper at play. Almost as if the question that I am asking is more than the present misunderstanding - I am thinking on this but would appreciate advise - I am finding it difficult breaking the ice

2.1 doesn't have anything to do with a cold reception. The frost turning to ice means that as things are now they will inevitably become more so. I forget where I heard it, from Hilary I think, but the idea is those which you settle with now you will spend the winter with. My own experience is simply that what appears to be happening now solidifies to something more certain later. Or it can be that as things appear now so they will continue to be and in a more permanent form...just as frost surely heralds ice.


I can see why you'd find it an upsetting answer because this is here a fundamentally hard message in this case. But nevertheless it's a message Yi is giving you. Things aren't just going to be okay, you already know that. There isn't anything you can do to change anything with your daughter either.

She says she had a dreadful childhood and you say it was wonderful. In that scenario she has to be left to explore her own truth about it. Perhaps in time to come when she is older she might come to terms with it but right now you can't help her do that if she sees you as the baddie.


So again, as in other answers you have had about her, the message seems to be you must leave her be to a great extent and not imagine you can rectify things. As it's hurtful for you that her vision of what happened to her is so different to yours I think you yourself have a lot of 'coming to terms' to do. Maybe how you remember it wasn't actually how it was for her and maybe how she remembers it wasn't exactly how it was either. Maybe the truth lies somewhere in between.

So this isn't an answer of comfort from Yi I think it's an answer that you need to come to terms with how things are currently because they will continue that way for some time.

 

[butterfly spider]

The answers and questions have been about my middle daughter. I have come to accept distance here and left her in the hands of professsional healthworkers.

this question was about My older daughter - but She thinks she has avoidance disorder and is finding life a struggle especially dealing with people. .

Yes the answer is upsetting - there seems to be a bleakness to it - solid ice is cold hard and deathly. That notion of worsening feels like a growing cancer - the imagery is awful

Hex 24 does feel somewhat cheery - but as Pocossin says it is not for me to interfere.
Thanks Trojina
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[butterfly spider]

I continued to dwell on this reading. Something was bothering me. Something just was not making sense.
Yesterday I went for a wild swim in a quarry - and it is always quite a meditative experience - I am alone often naked and it is a time when I can really feel what is happening (it is quite remote so the sheep don't mind - at least they have not said anything yet)

I was mulling over a thread placed by someone on this site - where there were two castings one for her child and the other for her. Somehow the two readings had got muddled in my head. Was the casting to do with the Mother or the child? It came to me that whilst the reading was about her child - what was really being asked involved her. The reading was very positive but there was a sense that the impetus had to come from the child - not her. There was danger but essentially the child had enough resources to push upwards. This is not to say that a Mother should not guide and help - but the question of the querant involved their own agenda or take on the issue. Being a mother is not easy and we all try to Elastoplast problems in the hope that our children will be OK. I was thinking about this thread and the murkiness of getting our own agenda confused with that of our children

Sometimes too we are given something that makes is 'see' - something so small that we might miss it. I have never had hex 31 - at least not for anything major in my life. It is one of this hexagrams that mean nothing to me - and I am not familiar with it or the imagery. Lisa had responded to Rosadas thread on personal readings and I looked at this just to see .... The next casting was 31. I thought I would look it up. The image if a hidden mountain beneath a lake was very powerful and yesterday afternoon I took myself off to my hidden quarry for a swim.

Today a thread moved to hex 31. ... It made me feel about the swimming yesterday about seeing things that are hidden about actually seeing what was staring at me - on this thread ;that I would not normally have looked at) there was a link to a book by someone looking at the convoluted universe. People
Coming back to earth to help to make others see. The idea that some people choose to come back to this planet at this time made sense too.

It suddenly hit me. Since the age of 2 my daughter has never really fitted in. At playgroup she used to read the newspaper and was never one for mixing with children of her own age she said they were boring. She has a phenomenal IQ (153) she is an extremely good writer and musician and her academic career has been outstanding. However she has always said that she wants to go home. When she was 4 she wrote a poem about climbing a ladder to the clouds and won a major prize aged 7 about other dimensions. However she has always said that she just does not fit in. She used to see everything in colours - and people too. swimming in an outsoor pool once she said she had to get out because it hurt her eyes. - The colours of all the swimmers were reflected on the water. She said that all her life is spent coping with other people's thoughts and emotions. She says that going into a crowded place is like being tortured. She even said yesterday that she wants to go home because no one understands people are not like her...she said that I didn't understand and that the more I tried to help her the worse she felt. She said that all she wanted as a child was to have things be simple - she didn't need all the stimulus I offered. She said she would have been happy in a farming community in a remote village...
This was the problem with her childhood.

The casting is about her - not me. It is about the fact that what she feels now will be as it is. The returning part is about her too. Pocossin was spot on in that I have to leave alone and that she needs to get on with her life.

My other daughter has just phoned. She has been unwell - but is now mending without me. - she says that she is hoping to move on with her life - healing her own problems.

I was reading a book about Buddhism and realise that I need to look at things as they are rather than project my own thoughts or agenda onto a situation

If I ask the I Ching about my children I am actually asking about myself - about how I can help them - about how best can I solve their problems.

What I need to do (and perhaps every mother as well) is to return to our own path. Whatever happens to our children is happening now and will continue to happen

That is the casting of 2.1 to 24

 

[butterfly spider]

Just an update on this
Things are meandering along - and am being very hex 31 ish...

With regards my eldest daughter I made a suggestion that I thought would help her - about visiting her brother...

She took it the wrong way again - reading a malevolence in my intentions - thought what have I done wrong here? I went back to this frosty post and then did a casting and got 36.1 to 15 for more or less the same question. I think it just says that things will not change ...

A bit sad really

 

[Alaska-Shaman]

I got a somewhat different feeling from this moving line.

The confuscian commentary talks about treading on early frost on the edge of a body of water of some kind. Other commentaries speak of being aware of treading into danger.

The impression I get is that one sees where one is treading is not safe to step there. But waiting for the cold to make the water solid and safe to tread upon.

I found this on one site:

1. He is treading on hoarfrost; the strong ice will come by and by: the cold air has begun to take form. Allow it to go on quietly according to its nature, and the hoarfrost will come to strong ice.

This does not seem to be talking about a bad situation getting worse or a good situation getting better but simply seeing whether it is safe to tread there or not

 

[Trojina]

This is a 7 year old thread by someone who has left, at least under that name. Where it says 'guest' it means the person has left though they may return with a different name. Always worth looking at the date of the original post. You could be replying to a query long since resolved.

One time a person asked if they should go out that night. 10 years later someone replied that yes they should. Funny.

 

[Alaska-Shaman]

This is a 7 year old thread by someone who has left, at least under that name. Where it says 'guest' it means the person has left though they may return with a different name. Always worth looking at the date of the original post. You could be replying to a query long since resolved.

One time a person asked if they should go out that night. 10 years later someone replied that yes they should. Funny.

Yes I know it's an old thread but discussion of readings can be timeless.
Perhaps my understanding is not correct. It is difficult to interpret readings when there is too much hope or pessimism in me.

 

[Trojina]

It's just when someone adds to an old thread often others will think the thread is current and start answering the first post as if it were a current issue. This can be a waste of their time sometimes if the person is no longer here.

 

[Alaska-Shaman]

It's just when someone adds to an old thread often others will think the thread is current and start answering the first post as if it were a current issue. This can be a waste of their time sometimes if the person is no longer here.

I knew how old the thread was they can see that too. Besides I get more traction from replying to old threads than my own new thread.

 

[Liselle]

What do you mean by traction, A-S?

 

[Liselle]

Okay - I understand - I found your thread and see no one replied. I actually have half a thought about the reading, so I'll go add it now. Sorry that happened. We try to keep up, but sometimes something slips through.

 

[faith512]

I got a somewhat different feeling from this moving line.

The confuscian commentary talks about treading on early frost on the edge of a body of water of some kind. Other commentaries speak of being aware of treading into danger.

The impression I get is that one sees where one is treading is not safe to step there. But waiting for the cold to make the water solid and safe to tread upon.

I found this on one site:

1. He is treading on hoarfrost; the strong ice will come by and by: the cold air has begun to take form. Allow it to go on quietly according to its nature, and the hoarfrost will come to strong ice.

This does not seem to be talking about a bad situation getting worse or a good situation getting better but simply seeing whether it is safe to tread there or not

This really helped me. Thank you so much for sharing!

 

[rosada]

I look at the sequence and see the previous line, 1.6, was something about a dragon flying too high “Arrogant dragon will have cause for remorse” and thus see 2.1 as saying the dragon has to come back down to earth, that things need to calm down - the vibes need to solidify - before we can tell what’s really going on and appropriately respond.

 

[eowyndernhelme]

This really helped me. Thank you so much for sharing!

I know this is an old thread, resurrected, and I just got this reading for what I should do about a relationship with a friend who seems suddenly distant. I know the load he is under right now with a particular trouble, and that he prefers to deal with this issue himself with no help from others, but I wanted to find somehow to ease his way. I understand now that the best thing I can do for him right now is to back off a little and let him deal with it himself, which I will now do. So this ancient thread has really helped me as well.