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oh god, Thank you so much Rasalila. Thank you. I'm crying reading your situation and your advice to me. Thank you.
You know, I wonder if that sign you got was true but you read it the other way around. It was the WRONG number haha.
By the way, I just asked Yi "why is the universe making me wait so long?" and I got Hex 28.2.5 > 62
28.2 A withered poplar grows shoots. An old man gets a real woman as wife. Nothing that does not bear fruit.
28.5 A withered poplar grows foliage. An old woman gets a real man as husband. Without fault. Without honor.
The man in question is about ten years older than me. I am not very young anymore and not sure I can have kids, if we are taking this literally. I wonder what it could mean. I know the genders can be reversed and it can also be symbolic of emotions(female) and logic(male) but if you or anyone else has a take on this, please, I'd love to hear it. All my astrology charts and readings by monks and fortune tellers have said I should get married late otherwise, if I had gotten married early or at a "normal" age, it would definitely have ended in divorce for me. Well, I am well past the normal age. I'm not sure if I can even be the young wife as in 28.2 unless it is relative to a man who is much older than me. Any thoughts on what this casting means?
Dance-O;
Some names for Hexagram 22 are 'Adornment' and 'Embellishing'.
I've never been a big fan of too much jewelery or too much dressing up - and I often judge it as being phony or fake, but that is my judegement alone, and not the Yi's.
In fact, we find 'dressing up' - to attract something or someone - a basic function of nature: we have plants putting on their flowery makeup and perfume to attract just the right bee or insect, or male birds putting on their feathered finery - all with the notion of procreation, spreading one's seed, finding a mate, and furthering the species.
In the realm of romance - which is what you're asking about here - maybe this reading is telling you about all the 'embellishments' at play in your particular dance. So, it could be that this guy has put on his own embellishments, to look, say, sexy, or weathly, or spiritual, or artistic, or free (even anarchists have their finery I suppose). That in itself is not bad, it just is.
And to this you've likely draped him with your own mardi gras beads and bangles: that he is ... (dot dot dot) whatever it is you think you want him or need him to be ... and you've now even given all this dressing up a label of 'soul mate' (and if that's not dressing someone up to play make believe, I don't know what is!)
And this too might not necessarily be a bad thing, bit with all this dressing up, can you see what or who is real - for either or both of you?
So, perhaps the Yi is asking you, first, to see or acknowldge that there are all these embellishments but second, that these don't necessarity preclude a real romance, and third, that perhaps you need to get past both his and your jewelery and dressing-up to see what the real potential is here - a.k.a. get to know this person. This could be what line 22.6 is calling 'plain white elegance.'
You might also ask: what is going to make you really happy? I'm not talking about the finery or dress-up or perfume that you think will make you happy, but to ask, what will give you real happiness.
One image the hexgram may be showing us is that of a small, quite village nested within the arm of a mountain, with its home lights and fires glowing in the dark. So perhaps could it be showing us/you what you might actually be seeking? (and I may also be taking a wild leap here, so don't take it if it doesn't fit): a safe home, where the hearth stays lit to both warm you and show you the way back if you get lost?
Best, D.
Wow, what an interesting reading! I've gotten 28.2 when I literally have been asking about being with an older man, but I've also gotten it under different circumstances. To me, that line is more about expecting invigoration and a breath of fresh air, but it's contradicted by the other changing line which is a warning about doing something inappropriate. 28 is about staying strong and grounded through your periods of growth and transformation. I don't know what you're going through right now, but often when one is about to make a spiritual breakthrough, some temptation will come along that could have the potential of ruining the progress made. Here's a quote from James DeKorne's site about hex 28
When the transformative path is flourishing, contaminations easily arise; it is best to set up guidelines and regulations. When meditation work is advanced, ignorance is about to dissolve; it is best to exercise the mind skillfully.
This is saying to me that you should Be Careful now. Take heed. Falling for a married guy is dangerous for your own emotional health. Sounds like you're in a place to make some real changes in your life, don't get distracted by the fantasy of romantic love.
I think that second changing line is very hopeful that if you stand strong in yourself, go it alone, that there will be a renewal, a flourishing of your spiritual life. The fifth line is warning that if you let your emotions take over, you could end up doing something inappropriate that would adversely affect the progress you've made so far.
The corresponding hex 62 reinforces that you should stay low and humble, and not attempt anything crazy(like chasing after a married guy
I think you're being 'forced' to wait because you have an extraordinary destiny and the waiting is strengthening your inner resolve. This is a positive reading, IMO, not that you'll get the guy but that by waiting you are made even stronger and your reward will be that much sweeter in the end. And maybe it's not that you're being forced to wait, but that waiting is what's actually part of the highest and best plan for your life. Maybe being forced to wait is actually the best thing for your soul. Often what we need is different from what we want.
For someone to be spiritual or successful are not of course bad things unto themselves, but I think you need to look at and maybe redefine what it means to be spiritual or successful. And of course to see if those are real or just for 'show'.
I just reread your first post, and I don't see where you said he's married - did I miss something here? Also, I've only read where you have a bit of a mutal 'attraction' but what does that mean? Did he make commitments to you? From what I read you hardly know him and have had very little interaction. So, I'm a bit confused???
Dance-O;
Some names for Hexagram 22 are 'Adornment' and 'Embellishing'.
I've never been a big fan of too much jewelery or too much dressing up - and I often judge it as being phony or fake, but that is my judegement alone, and not the Yi's.
In fact, we find 'dressing up' - to attract something or someone - a basic function of nature: we have plants putting on their flowery makeup and perfume to attract just the right bee or insect, or male birds putting on their feathered finery - all with the notion of procreation, spreading one's seed, finding a mate, and furthering the species.
In the realm of romance - which is what you're asking about here - maybe this reading is telling you about all the 'embellishments' at play in your particular dance. So, it could be that this guy has put on his own embellishments, to look, say, sexy, or weathly, or spiritual, or artistic, or free (even anarchists have their finery I suppose). That in itself is not bad, it just is.
And to this you've likely draped him with your own mardi gras beads and bangles: that he is ... (dot dot dot) whatever it is you think you want him or need him to be ... and you've now even given all this dressing up a label of 'soul mate' (and if that's not dressing someone up to play make believe, I don't know what is!)
And this too might not necessarily be a bad thing, bit with all this dressing up, can you see what or who is real - for either or both of you?
So, perhaps the Yi is asking you, first, to see or acknowldge that there are all these embellishments but second, that these don't necessarity preclude a real romance, and third, that perhaps you need to get past both his and your jewelery and dressing-up to see what the real potential is here - a.k.a. get to know this person. This could be what line 22.6 is calling 'plain white elegance.'
You might also ask: what is going to make you really happy? I'm not talking about the finery or dress-up or perfume that you think will make you happy, but to ask, what will give you real happiness.
One image the hexgram may be showing us is that of a small, quite village nested within the arm of a mountain, with its home lights and fires glowing in the dark. So perhaps could it be showing us/you what you might actually be seeking? (and I may also be taking a wild leap here, so don't take it if it doesn't fit): a safe home, where the hearth stays lit to both warm you and show you the way back if you get lost?
Best, D.
I 'fall in love' with (e.g. I am attracted to) married women almost on a daily basis. But I usuall keep it in the realm of what is real, e.g. they are married and are not interested in me in 'that way.'
It seems that even with all his 'embellishments' this guy was honest with you: he admitted his attraction, but also told you he's unavailable because he's already in a relationship.
The reading then could be about your 'embellishments' (not his) and how to get real with them. I don't read more into it than that (that's more than enough I'd say!).
Best, D.
Dance-O, a few things:I just asked "What will bring me real and true happiness in life" and i got 33 unchanging. So I take this to mean I must retreat into being a hermit (of a sort) .... ?
First, you don't always have to quote the entirety of what someone else wrote - since it can usually be found just a post or two above what your writing! \
Best, D.
I don't think the I Ching is telling you to become a monk. I've gotten this one a lot when I've been pushing and pushing, looking restlessly for an answer to something in the future. I think it's just saying, calm down, detach from everything that's freaking you out right now, take a breath.Whoa, I just asked "What will bring me real and true happiness in life" and i got 33 unchanging. So I take this to mean I must retreat into being a hermit (of a sort) to stay away from bad influences to be truly happy? That would mean always to be alone. Maybe to become a monk myself, which I have considered lightly and before that when I was a child I considered being a nun, but that was discarded. I do want to live in this world, I don't want to escape it into a monastery. What does this hexagram mean?
EDIT: I will make this a separate thread.
I've actually gotten those two contradicting lines at least once now from hex 28 regarding this man. So strange. I unfortunately do not remember what the question was that time. I've always been dabbling in sprituality and meditation but it was done here and there always in the background of my life, always on my mind but not forefront. But because of the heartache caused by meeting this wonderful (or so i thought) man whom I cannot have (married), I was put into a state of turmoil. And i resolved to know why this pattern (for it has happened before where I liked men who were about to be married or too young for me, or not acceptable for me in my mind), and I saw that it was a pattern of my creation, and it caused me pain. So i needed to get to the heart of the matter so I have started meditation a little again and looking up trauma and all sorts of things to address my core beliefs that keep me back. I have made some headway. I know there is a lot more work to do, so what you said really resonated with me. It's like you know my mind somehow.
The recent readings I got two days ago said to me that I need to wait but if I do, it will all be well and the waiting worth it. It was very very positive. And exactly what you wrote. It is also something I deep down believe is true of my life. I am so thankful to you for saying that I have an extraordinary destiny, but what do you mean by extraordinary? Just that as in not ordinary, different? or special and bigger than normal? I ask because I was named by a fortuneteller based on my astrology chart and it means extraordinary, strange, unique, commendable. And another said I have big capacity (big bowl) which means I cannot be with a man who has a small bowl (bowl means many things but the capacity to understand, earn money, accept, hold, think etc). I'm so lazy and in my fantasy land mind and not successful financially that I wonder that I have a big bowl but he was adamant, and some other people (ex bf and mother) have said the same of me. That I'm like a big wheel. It takes FOREVER to get me to budge but once I have traction, nothing can stop me. Well, I'm not there yet, for sure. I'm still not budged but I feel about to be.
Also, interesting to note that Rasa Lila and Dance of the Gods are the same meaning. I'm honored to have met you here.
here's the last sentence on the first post that let me know he was married, just fyi:For someone to be spiritual or successful are not of course bad things unto themselves, but I think you need to look at and maybe redefine what it means to be spiritual or successful. And of course to see if those are real or just for 'show'.
I just reread your first post, and I don't see where you said he's married - did I miss something here? Also, I've only read where you have a bit of a mutal 'attraction' but what does that mean? Did he make commitments to you? From what I read you hardly know him and have had very little interaction. So, I'm a bit confused???
One tiny little part of this - 25 generally means to "disentangle," not that good things will happen if you wait. If this is still relevant (there was a long thread after it, after all), would you mind saying where you got this interpretation?Yi seemed to be saying from other castings that I need to be 25 and open and wait it out and good things will happen in regards to my life partner (kind of seemed to point to him but not sure if it was saying in general I would meet a man in due time)
One tiny little part of this - 25 generally means to "disentangle," not that good things will happen if you wait. If this is still relevant (there was a long thread after it, after all), would you mind saying where you got this interpretation?
Edited - actually, Dance, please would you tell us, whether or not the reading's still important to you? I think it's wrong, and I'd be interested to know where it came from. Thanks.
Thank you, and YES I am still interested in someone helping me interpret 22.4 if possible because it mentions a marital suitor.Edited - actually, Dance, please would you tell us, whether or not the reading's still important to you? I think it's wrong, and I'd be interested to know where it came from. Thanks.
Without giving all this nearly enough thought, I could maybe imagine something like, maybe he's modelling qualities you want in a husband? "Modelling something" seems 22-ish to me, and might be a way for him to be a "marital ally"* without ever being your actual husband? That might be far-fetched since you don't actually know him well, but maybe you were able to see something important in a short time?YES I am still interested in someone helping me interpret 22.4 if possible because it mentions a marital suitor.
"marital ally"*
Don't worry I don't take it as mean. You're right, there is an element of obssession on my part in regards to this situation. I am fishing because I do want it to be a certain way and I am not happy because deep down I know my wanting something is not really my needing it or it being for my higher good, least of all it not being a possibility. Talking about it here is helping!Dance, I don't mean to be mean, but you've now presented us with at least three hexagrams and five moving lines, and from the outside ... well, it seems a bit obsessive, as if you are fishing for something or wanting the answer to be something other than what it is - or that perhaps you're trying to conjure up a marital suitor out of all this?
One way of looking at many moving lines (as in four or more) is to think of them as perhaps exaggerated, maybe too much energy at play. So, all those moving lines when you're looking at how you might overly 'adorn' or embellish things - like trying to turn a married man into your mate?
For one of your queries you have three moving lines in the upper trigram, mountain, which might mean, what? That you're stuck and not able to move, or perhaps stuck on something from your past?
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