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Hi,

I live with 2 other people , a man and a woman, and they have been arguing for a few months. Last night the woman told me that shes going to move out. She said that this man is playing very dark manipulative tricks on her egging her to move out. She says he has cut her connection to the internet, follows her around the house and is generally being extremely passively aggressive towards her.


I asked the Yi 'Is x treating y terribly?'' 28.3-47

Nine in the third place means:
The ridgepole sags to the breaking point.
Misfortune.

This indicates a type of man who in times of preponderance of the great insists on pushing ahead. He accepts no advise from others, and therefore they in turn are not willing to lend him support. Because of this the burden grows, until the structure of things bends or breaks. Plunging willfully ahead in times of danger only hastens the catastrophe.

I would take this as meaning that he indeed is treating my other housemate very badly?


Next I asked ''what position do I need to take to alleviate this situation?''

I received hexagram 12. 5 > 35

Nine in the fifth place means:
Standstill is giving way.
Good fortune for the great man.
“What if it should fail, what if it should fail?”
In this way he ties it to a cluster of mulberry shoots.

The time undergoes a change. The right man, able to restore order, has arrived. hence “Good fortune.” But such periods of transition are the very times in which we must fear and tremble. Success is assured only through greatest caution, which asks always, “What if it should fail.” When a mulberry bush is cut down, a number of unusually strong shoots sprout from the roots. Hence the image of tying something to a cluster of mulberry shoots is used to symbolize the way of making success certain. Confucius says about this line:

I have gotten this line before but i think i'm still quite confused as to what it really means?


Thanks

Yx
 

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I asked the Yi 'Is x treating y terribly?'' 28.3-47
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Next I asked ''what position do I need to take to alleviate this situation?''

I received hexagram 12. 5 > 35
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Hi, Yxely:
Might you be more accurate? Sometime the Changes don´t answer to our literal questions but to the question that we actually want to put. The quote about the ridgepole belongs to 28.3, but I don´t trust in casuality.

The ridgepole making ominous noises is maybe an advice for you, maybe the Changes sees of little relevance if x is behaving badly or if the situation can better.

Are you three sharing the rent of the house? There is a contract? What are the legal and economic consequences if Y takes off? And the consequences for your own welfare?

The ridgepole is the main support of the house, if the first breakes the second falls. Three persons sharing a rent are a sort of partnership no one can go out without affecting the others.

Have care,


Charly
 

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I read the casting as a warning not let the house fall in on you. Inferior people are in control. Supposing you three are renting the house, if one or both of your roommates leave, will you be liable for the whole rent? I agree with Charly. Don't let them dump their troubles on you.
 

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Hi, Yxely:
Might you be more accurate? Sometime the Changes don´t answer to our literal questions but to the question that we actually want to put.


Charly

Hi Charly, yeah, I do understand that the wording of the questions are very important, but i often find myself falling back into the same patterns of yes/no questions and often wording a question as accurately as possible gets very hard for me.

The thing with this particular group dynamic is that the girl who is moving out is quite over dramatic and emotionally needy, but i also know that the man in question has played some nasty tricks on me in the past living here so i was trying i suppose to weight the accuracy of the accusation.
The quote about the ridgepole belongs to 28.3, but I don´t trust in casuality.

Im not quite sure of what your referring to here? You dont trust in causality? as in cause and effect? If so, what does this mean about 28.3?


I interpreted the wilhelm translation of this line to be fairly straight forward; that there are people (either him or the woman) whos egos have become so overinflated that s/he isnt willing to budge on this and so no progress can be made?

Are you three sharing the rent of the house? There is a contract? What are the legal and economic consequences if Y takes off? And the consequences for your own welfare?

The ridgepole is the main support of the house, if the first breakes the second falls. Three persons sharing a rent are a sort of partnership no one can go out without affecting the others.

we are actually living in a house that has gone into receivership due to the property bubble here in ireland before the first wave of recessions hit the world. as a result out tennancy is quite unstable, but I dont think the yi is relating to the overall welfare of our household here. I personally dont really feel like much has changed since before the house went into receivership. when your renting here the future of your tennancy is never really set in stone, there is always a chance of moving on or another situation changing were you ahve to move on prematurely so Im going with the flow on the 'larger' house matter.


Thanks for your input much obliged
 
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I read the casting as a warning not let the house fall in on you. Inferior people are in control..

Pocossin,

Thanks for this. I actually think this is very accurate. I do feel like the woman has been sucking my energy lately with regard to this, she is very dramatic and nearly every conversation ive had with her for a good few months has been nagging negativity and looking for sympathy for the situation she is in with my other housemate. I gave her alot of attention re this issue for months, but my energy was sapped with her announcing the latest installment of the drama and really just using me as a sounding board and an easy sympathiser so i snapped one day last week and said i couldnt listen to it anymore.

The man and i relationship at the minute is fine but i do think he takes liberties and feels like he is the leader of the household from time to time, but i usually dont let this kind of infighting affect me and our issues with eachother always blow over.

The problem here is that i think both of these individuals will not step down from their positions.


Thanks as always for your insight
 

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