35.2 - positive or negative?

[bahrainis]

Grrrrr

How are all you trying to get her to let go if you all cant let go off this thread geez!

 

[luz]

Let go???

We can't.. ego issues...

 

[rosada]

Actually, she's the only one who has let go.
Ahh, we're so good at what we do.

 

[bahrainis]

congrats rosada you tha man!

 

[luz]

Yeah, I'm sure moonrise is not even reading this!!!

oh, hi moonrise!!!

 

[martin]

And did I pathologize her, or did I respond naturally to behavior that in my own opinion (and I believe my opinion is valid) is not healthy and has negative consequences in her life? Dozens of well-meaning, senstive posts have accomplished NOTHING for her in reality over the course of 14 months.

Yes, maybe forget about 'pathologizing'. As I wrote earlier, I'm not sure that is the right word. I just felt something in this thread that seemed too heavy somehow and tried to name it.
But what I also feel, and that is much more important, is that you and others, everyone who posted in this thead, really care. Each in his or her own way.
Ego issues? If all ego's in this world would only have debates about how to care best for others, what a world this would be!

 

[bahrainis]

is that you and others, everyone who posted in this thead, really care. Each in his or her own way.

when will this insanity end? whith friends like this.....

 

[rosada]

Oh hush. I thought what Martin wrote was really sweet. Hey, would you like to know what I'm eating at this very moment? I just found an unopened bittersweet chocolet bar and I'm dipping it in leftover blue cheese dressing. OMG, it's fabulous.

 

[autumn]

Yes, maybe forgot about 'pathologizing'. As I wrote earlier, I'm not sure that is the right word. I just felt something in this thread that seemed too heavy somehow and tried to name it.

I was going to say, "that's my 10th house Saturn", but then I thought, you know that's interesting feedback. I really appreciate what Lightangel said about Moonrise attacking me, but the truth is, I'm not moved. I'm very confident about what I'm saying and I know that in the long run seeing her behavior spelled out in black and white may motivate her to stop feeding this obsession of hers. That's how I know what I'm saying isn't ego-driven- I'm not emotionally moved by her reactions. On the other hand, it does really bother me when people I "know" "here" misperceive my meaning or criticize.

But anyway, the "too heavy" thing, if I think about it, is probably shame. Maybe a sense that I was "shaming" her? In that case, that would be something I am projecting.

So, I thought about it- and I think what was personal in my reaction (which isn't Moonrise's fault- it's my emotional projection) was a feeling of, "You are an adult. You don't deserve to be coddled. Stand on your own two feet. What about me? People are not kind to me. People don't help me. I have fought for everything I have, and I take care of everyone around me, but noone has ever taken care of me, I've taken care of myself since I was sixteen..." I was looking for a sobbing, crying face but I couldn't find one.

So, thank you for the opportunity to share. And if I projected a sense of shame onto Moonrise because of my own issues, then I take responsibility for that.

 

[heylise]

:bows:

LiSe

 

[martin]

I just found an unopened bittersweet chocolet bar and I'm dipping it in leftover blue cheese dressing. OMG, it's fabulous.

 

[martin]

I was going to say, "that's my 10th house Saturn"

Funny, because earlier I wondered if I was perhaps projecting my own heavy side on this thread. Not sure if it's related to my Saturn in 5 or those sobbing planets in Cancer, but it is a side that I tend to deny, to laugh away.

And so I project it on .. how come that the walls suddenly look so dark ?
I really need to paint the house next summer

 

[rosada]

My visual of Saturn in the 10th is of the old Indian guide leading the tribe over the mountain in a snow storm. If you have Saturn in the 10th house, autumn, then it's your JOB to tell us all to get real because you know from your own experience whinners are never going to make it. So I say while it's illuminating for you to share your process with us and kind of you to apologize if your methods came accross as too harsh, the bottom line is still that you knew this poster wouldn't benefit from continued hand holding, and telling her so was appropriate. Others have filled in with the necessary soothing reassurances and no doubt she has read them and benefitted. Perhaps what we've been doing here is a bit of good cop - bad cop.
Personally, I'm experiencing this thread as being frank, but also friendly.