43.1.2.3.4.5>2, How would you interpret this?

[tubinluv]

I'm in a middle of a turmoil situation in my relationship. I got 49.4>63 in my previous reading when I asked what kind of "shock" should I expect to see in his behavior. I then asked what kind of this radical change entails. I wonder if i should look at all 5 lines or just the unchanging line (6) and of course both hexes as well.

I appreciate any comments you can provide.

 

[pooja123]

hi. you should look at all the changing lines. Line 5 has the strongest advice, if you ask me. Line 5 in all hexes are considered the most favourable. Try to see each lines and which changing hexes follows after each lines. line 5 changes to hex 34, which is great strength. all changing lines of hex 43 turns to hex 2. you need to read all the lines in hex 2. And again refer to line 5 of hex 2, it would give good solution.

 

[Freedda]

I haven't been able to look more closely, but one interpretation of many moving lines -- and five is a lot! -- is that there is a great deal of energy moving, changes, many balls up in the air, perhaps conflicts, miscommunication, etc. (and that's not even looking at what the lines are saying, though you should look at them too).

This then could be an opportune time to call on the assistance of a therapist, counselor, priest, shaman, good friend, (police officer, body guard, protector) etc? It seems like the time for some decisions to be made, for a break-through -- and there is no shame in asking for assistance if you need to.


Best, David

 

[diamanda]

what kind of "shock" should I expect to see in his behavior 49.4 > 63
Another commander (or another woman...) takes control of the situation.

what kind of this radical change entails 43.1.2.3.4.5 > 2
I'm afraid this sounds to me like he will tell you to break up. I hope I'm wrong.

what kind of "shock"

When you get an omen which says that you will receive a shock, no amount of divination will tell you exactly what that will be. The only certain thing is that it will be a shock. Hence my readings above come with a grain of salt.

 

[tubinluv]

thank you all for your inputs, i really appreciate it:
Pooja123, i wonder why would you recommend line 5 has the strongest advice, is that based on your intuition or experience? I do see line 5 is a good advice to deal with this, i need to have a firm determination to uproot or overthrow the obstacles
David, you're right, a lot of energy are going on and since there are many moving lines, i wonder if they happen simultaneously or sequentially or both since these are tough lines to deal with. Thank you.
Diamanda: i think you have a way of recognizing an involvement of another woman, can you share your thoughts on this, my thought on 49.4 was a radical change is on the way, I should be prepared to act appropriately. It may not be I want or wish for but it is something that I need to act as it is the right time, I’m no longer caught up in the past but rather being in the now, then regrets vanish. (Wilhelm/Baynes: Remorse disappears. Men believe him. Changing the form of government brings good fortune. Confucius/Legge: The good fortune of changing the ordinances is due to the faith reposed in his aims) i don't see another commander/woman mentioned, perhaps i'm missing something. I tend to agree that he wants to break up but what's puzzling me is on my next questions:

How can best handle this upcoming radical change. 37.1.3>20. (line 1) There's a home with barrier, firm seclusion within a family and line 3 is saying that there are fights between a family but it's better to be somewhat tough than too lenient, but at the end it's good, so i'm so confused.

Thank you again for all your thoughts.

 

[Lavalamp]

Shock isn't alway getting hit by lightning. Sometimes you have to scale it down to "surprise", or being startled.

what kind of "shock" should I expect to see in his behavior 49.4 > 63
63 Context - Completion.
49.4 - This describe a change ("in government") that reflects inner sincerity, ends regret and brings good fortune.
Whatever it is, it is for the better. Maybe he just graduated a course he was taking, or he quit drinking, joined AA...

what kind of this radical change entails 43.1.2.3.4.5 > 2
Resolutely removing corruption > Supportive flow.
Heh. Perhaps he is going to group therapy where they "suspend judgment" and this is opening up all kinds of new possibilities for him.

Generally sounds like he is working on personal issues of character, of his path, and trying to make a change. Perhaps you did not expect this. (Shock.)

- LL

 

[diamanda]

49 is (among other things) about two women, and since this is a relationship question then I believe it's relevant. Wilhelm writes:

The two trigrams making up the hexagram are the same two that appear in K'uei, OPPOSITION (38), that is, the two younger daughters, Li and Tui. But while there the elder of the two daughters is above, and what results is essentially only an opposition of tendencies, here the younger daughter is above. The influences are in actual conflict, and the forces combat each other like fire and water (lake), each trying to destroy the other.

How can best handle this upcoming radical change 37.1.3 > 20
I find the way you've phrased this question impossible to answer. Your question presupposes that there will be a change which is totally out of your control. What was the exact 'shock' question and answer you got? That question seems to have caused you to ask a lot of related questions, which all assume that it's you who will be shocked, and that you're totally powerless. Maybe you're not. Please share if you want.

 

[tubinluv]

hi Lavalamp, "Generally sounds like he is working on personal issues of character, of his path, and trying to make a change. Perhaps you did not expect this. (Shock.)", I sure didn't think of it this way and it's very interesting to see how one reading can have a totally opposite interpretations and they both make sense. thank you!

Diamanda, I'm glad you asked since I was concerned that if I had many questions, no one would have replied , thank you for your interest.

I've been consulting quite a lot, almost daily this year because I feel like IChing is a guardian angel and I have complete trust that I'm being guided me through this difficult period. Therefore, I don't know which question started this "shock" question but looking through my notes recently, here is the sequence:
1- – I’ve been through so much emotionally, what are the obstacles ahead of me, pls adv. 17.5>51. I see this as a path that I must undertake with constant troubles and difficulties but with solid truths. I think I found some comments from Trojina, wikiwing and I just added my own thoughts to what makes sense to me "sincerity have given me the confidence to go forward. not dropping the sacred chalice (goblet, drinking cup) through shocks. Do what it takes and don’t allow it to overwhelm me. I think this line transcends outcomes for particular relationships, it's following a star, keeping the eyes on the star throughout the shocks and changes. (Trojina).
2 - how does he feel about his lady and their relationship? 50.1.6>34. He has very strong feeling for her (line 1) removing his limited beliefs so he can take her on and her son (I'm not sure if she has a son or children) (line 6) ring jade is very solid, everyone benefits.
3 - – He hides the situation and is planning to fly away (36.1), his relationship is rock solid (50.1.6>34), so what’s the purpose of Yi's advice for me in changing my attitude and be humble (49.1.3>45), drawing boundary, 37.1, yes another 37.1) etc.. I got 13.4.5>22. I think the message here is so that we can have a harmonious closure. This is something that I'd very much like if or when we part.
4- with this on going situation, I wonder if he will decide to move out. 46.3.5>29. perhaps, he will....
5- This one is quite a surprise so I'm not sure what to make. When i asked "how does the lady feel about him, I wonder. 23.3>52. wow, really??

So that the series of consultation and that's why I used the word "shock" in my question.

Thank you all again for sharing your thoughts.

 

[pooja123]

indeed i-ching is an angel ...a best friend who always comes up with a good advice and warnings. I have been reading a lot and in all the books about i-ching line 5 is considered the king's position. even if the line is a bout a warning. 5th line is basically where solution is found and line 6 is where everything ends and transitions to either bad or worst. in my experience, I will always take a look at line 5 for a solution, and then look at other lines.

 

[pooja123]

line 6 transitions- mostly to something not so appealing and contains further warnings. from most of the hexes I have consulted so far.

 

[pooja123]

I remember reading somewhere, a comment by Long Yi made about hex 49. Hex 49 is good if it is about relationship that evolves to a second marriage. Meaning after a divorce , you will find someone else . I recently cast 49>43 for my own reading about a guy I am interested in. Very complicated relationship! yes-I am the other woman lol. pls dont ask! it's my choice. i'm trying to resolve it. Since I use the wen wang Gua 6 line method. my reading had some missing elements due to the hour, date, month. So I am still deciphering. At least i found one answer correctly in line 2 of hex 49 that changes to 43.2. He fell ill.! down with a cold. So basically Yi is telling me, I can't tell you much about your boy because he is sick and you won't be able to resolve anything now , let him heal first then talk!

 

[diamanda]

what are the obstacles ahead of me 17.5 > 51
This means that if you continue 'following him' as if he's a special man, then you're in for a shock. Put in another way, there will be obstacles ahead if you keep acting based on your love.

how does he feel about his lady and their relationship? 50.1.6 > 34
He gets a young mistress (50.1), so no feelings, it's sexual. He still wants to keep the beautiful old wife (50.6). He will continue behaving as a goat on heat (34). (these are his feelings - always keep the question in mind)

so what's the purpose of Yi's advice for me in changing my attitude and be humble (49.1.3>45)
49.1.3 > 45 does not say change your attitude and be humble. 49.1 shows that he wants to stay with you for as long as possible. 49.3 shows a lot of negotiations. In 45 here maybe I Ching is telling you "put all the elements together to see what I mean".

so what's the purpose of Yi's advice for me in changing my attitude and be humble (49.1.3>45) 13.4.5 > 22
The original advice above was keep in mind he doesn't want to move out, and you can negotiate this. So the purpose of that is to make sure he stays at home more, and only occasionally goes out with old friends, and stops cheating.

if he will decide to move out 46.3.5 > 29
He doesn't want to because he will feel lonely. He wants to have a secure place to live (with you). Even so, the same danger (of him cheating) will re-appear.

how does the lady feel about him, I wonder 23.3 > 52
She wants him to split from you, and "from everyone else" (??) ("split from high and low") and become her permanent partner at home.

How can best handle this upcoming radical change 37.1.3 > 20
Take the situation in your hands. Pen him in the house, give him a mouthful, be strict. Stop acting out of love (17.5). Instil respect in him, make him look up to you.

In the light of all this, perhaps the turning-the-tables of 49.4 means that you take the upper hand, and the mistress loses it.

 

[Freedda]

... when I asked what kind of "shock" should I expect to see in his behavior ....

Tubinluv, you started this thread with the above, which made me wonder, was there an even earlier or original question/query that wasn't shown here? I ask because you wrote "shock" (in parentheses), as if it is part of another reading, maybe one that included 51? If so, is it possible you could share what you asked and what the response was?

 

[tubinluv]

Pooja123 - thank you for sharing your experience on hex 49

Freedda- I wrote "shock" in parenthesis because there were series of questions I asked and the outcomes seemed somewhat not favorable and one of them got 51 as a relating hex. Yes, I did share my questions as Diamanda had also asked, they are what you see under Diamanda's post.

Diamanda - wow, I would have never deciphered that!!! You must have a lot of experience in interpreting relationships and third party involvement. Can you share your thoughts on this "He gets a young mistress (50.1), so no feelings, it's sexual. He still wants to keep the beautiful old wife (50.6). He will continue behaving as a goat on heat (34). (these are his feelings - always keep the question in mind). How did you get 50.1 is about sexual and no feelings and 50.6 is a beautiful old wife.

Sorry that I was not clear on my writing, I had several notes and was trying to summarize it and had missed some other readings. Prior to receiving 49.1.3>45, I asked "how does he feel about me and our marriage"? 36.1>15, then the next question "how can I remedy a situation when he’s planning to fly away". 49.1.3>45. I read this as change is on the way, I can't do anything and since he's talked about separation in the past, he will continue to proceed with his plan.

how does the lady feel about him, I wonder 23.3 > 52
She wants him to split from you, and "from everyone else" (??) ("split from high and low") and become her permanent partner at home. Thank you for this insight, I thought it was the other way around that she wanted to split away from him. Wow, the reading can have a totally opposite interpretation and this makes it extremely difficult when you really need help.

Thank you so much for your time and for sharing your thoughts.

 

[diamanda]

Can you share your thoughts on this "He gets a young mistress (50.1), so no feelings, it's sexual. He still wants to keep the beautiful old wife (50.6). He will continue behaving as a goat on heat (34). (these are his feelings - always keep the question in mind). How did you get 50.1 is about sexual and no feelings and 50.6 is a beautiful old wife.

50.1 says that someone gets a mistress, and fertility is also mentioned. 50 symbolises (among other things) a womb. I said 'no feelings' because the situation I just described doesn't sound as if there are emotions or character compatibility involved. 50.6 is a beautiful ceremonial vessel (or womb), an empty one, hence I said 'beautiful old wife'.

 

[Freedda]

Tubinluv, based on what you said, I'm assuming the very, very first question you asked in all of this is: "What obstacles are ahead of me'" and you got 17.5 > 51. And I assume this is about the turmoil in your relationship.

Going back to that first inquiry then: 17, Following, is a bit of a mystery, in part, because it can imply a range of meanings -- to follow the leader, follow blindly, but also to seek or search after something or someone.

Perhaps in your case it might mean to seek out or look more closely at what is going on with your relationship. It's looking at the how/when/why/what of your turmoil as the best way to prepare for it. This could mean gathering evidence, 'following' the clues, but doing this in a truthful way.

I wonder, then, is there any room for truthful communication with your love, as a way to know what's going on? Perhaps something like (and these are only my words): 'We both seem so unhappy right now and I'd like to figure out what's going on,' or whatever you need to say.

It seems that you looked at the related hexagram, and your reaction was, "oh no, Shock! What horrible things are in store for me and my relationship?" This has then led you down a not-so merry path of fear and infidelity. For example, another woman has now been mentioned, but it is not clear to me if you absolutely know she exists in the flesh (because you've seen her or Mr. Lover told you so), or if she is based only on your interpretation of what someone is saying that the I Ching is saying?

So, I offer another take about 51. Other names for 51 are thunder, arousal, awakening, shaken to one's being, adjustment and study.

This describes a situation where we are first awakened by a 'shock' -- like the loss of a loved one, an illness, losing you job or home, an attack or shaming. Our first reaction is negative: fear, alarm, fright. But the hexagram then describes this negative reaction being transformed into joy, laughter ... in short, a way to move beyond the situation, and beyond our hurt and loss.

One key point is that we need to be active participants in this positive change -- it's not 'I'll sit back and all the bad will turn to good before my very eyes.'

So, to put it all together: looking more closely at the turmoil in your relationship, perhaps including some communication. And also knowing that whatever the shock or turmoil is, there is the potential for it to be transformed into something positive, but only with your participation.

I'll add -- and you can take this or not -- it seems you have now made at least eight inquires, involving at least 16 hexagrams, along with many, many lines. This means that you've now involved a quarter of the IChing in your inquiry, not to mention the vast condominium of rabbit holes you have constructed, so you now have: an upturned cauldron, being wrapped in golden rawhide, the sovereign and his temple, thunder, sacrifice, and another woman, to name a few. Jeez, as if your relationship wasn't already in turmoil!

As you can guess, I am not a big fan of the many-questions-all-in-a-row style of I Ching inquiry. It feels way too frantic and rushed, like looking for a lost ring by driving down the highway at 90 mph, and all you can see is dust and a blur. So, my suggestion is to slow down a bit, and try to understand your first query, before piling on too much more (that often serves to bury any previous wisdom you may have gotten). But, again, just my take on it.

(And my earlier advice to maybe seek the help of a counselor or therapist, or ... (beyond only an I Ching query) still holds true.)

 

[tubinluv]

Thanks Diamanda, I'm learning a few more things about 49 and 50.

Freedda, I totally agree with your suggestions, I feel helpless as relied on Iching as my main source. My situation is quite complicated and I don't think I can open discuss it but in a nutshell, I can't get anything when I communicate with him, he won't give me any straight answers and pretty much brushes me off when I try to confront him. He would rather just go on living his separate life without giving me any closure.

Thank you for your thoughts and suggestions

 

[Freedda]

Tubinvul, best to you in resolving this. D.

 

[tubinluv]

David, I reread your post and find it very insightful. Thank you very much for your advice.