44 uc. Landslide

[Button]

Hi everyone,2 years ago a landslide started near my house. At least a dozen experts swore it's not gonna move any more. But it did, few days ago. It's now even closer to the building. Will the landslide structurally affect my home?44 unchanging Yes, I am furious and hissing around - I am the woman you should not approach.Yes, there is a sudden intrusion of people crawling in my backyard. The same + new experts /they literally have to crawl by the fence, the morons in suits are adorable/But what about the question? What about the house? I'll be grateful for any help. P.S. sorry about the format, I followed the instructions but still doesn't work.

 

[rosada]

All these people looking about your property and you ready to smack who ever gets closest. Yep, sounds like 44. !
The fact that you got it unchanging suggests to me that nothing more comes of this immediately.
You have to throughly look everything over but right now that's all that's necessary.
However, I'm wary of taking the reading as gospel. If there's a landslide coming towards your house, deciding what to do by flipping a coin may not be your best option..
Of course I realize you are probably using the I Ching as just one of many ways of getting insight as to what to do.
Anyway, I Ching seems to say "Look things over carefully but don't get further committed.)
Perhaps you'd get a more actionable response if you ask, "What should I do in regards to the landslide?"

 

[moss elk]

Hi Button,

Having experienced 44 unchanging situations... If I were in your situation and got this reading about it...
I would go elsewhere as soon as possible. That is my opinion.

Forget about the woman part of the hexagram here.

Consider that if Hexagram 1 were a representation of the very strongest and stable building:

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and the ground under it were weak and unstable, it would be Hexagram 44:

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When a foundation is weak, it results in collapse of the structure.

(unchanging hexagrams do not mean that things won't change, I don't know who came up with that idea, but is is very very incorrect. The only hexagram-unchanging that means things aren't likely to change is 32 unchanging.)

 

[Freedda]

It might be because of my limitied understanding, but I can't really see that Hex. 44 is saying anything, cleary, one way or the other about the landslide and your home.

The lower 3-line figure of 44 is Wind, which is associated with gentle, but long-lasting movement. One idea associated with this hexagram is that of Dissipation, or the tendency towards entropy, or towards things 'falling apart' as it were. And the first words of the Oracle text are 'Chance Encounter'.

So, if I were to glean anything from all that, it would be that this landslide will continue to move, and if the movement so far has been towards your home, then, well ... you do the math. But I'd not count that as the gospel, at least according to me!

A 12th century thinker on the Yi, Chu Hsi believed that: ... the oracular power of the Yi was considered to be like the ... capacity of the perfectly clear mind of the sage to know the future. This transcendent clarity of mind could be cultivated by a person working to become a sage. But the extreme difficulty of interpreting the text of the Yi made this a highly problematic endeavor, fraught with pitfalls.

Best, D.

 

[Button]

Thank you for the fast reply.
Rosada, the problem is that it's not in my property, the land that collapsed belongs to the city. So for the past 2 years I coyld only write alarming letters and ask the officials for attention. It's now at the fence, but I still don't get the word on what to do. Not that I'm qualified, but still...The only thing I can do for now is flip coins, to feel less useless.
Moss Elk, bull's eye! I see how that fits and will do do something about it ASAP.
Funny thing is that for the past 2 years I had this inner feelings that it will happen again and now it's gone, my guts are telling me it's over with that problem. I'm not worried, just annoyed. But I won't rely on gut feeling - will take all the precocions.
Thank you both so much.

 

[rosada]

Nobody here is saying that unchanging hexagrams mean that things won't change. As I noted in my earlier post, "the fact that [she] got it unchanging SUGGESTS TO ME that nothing more comes of this immediately." Many times a hexagram will give us an impression that is not specifically spelled out in the text and yet the impression proves to be worthwhile. This is one of the reasons it is useful to post and get feedback from a variety of people as we do here at online clarity. Different people see things from different perspectives. One reader can look at 44uc and see it as an indication one needs to look things over throughly before making a change, another looks at 44uc and gets the impression that this "looking things over" phase need not take long. These are not mutually exclusive insights. One emphasizes the importance of looking things over carefully, the other emphasizes the importance of acting quickly. Perhaps the confusion comes from my use of the word 'immediately". By this I meant that one must not skip the looking around phase. The fact that the hexagram was unchanging emphasizes to me that what ever step the hexagram is describing must not be lightly skimmed past.

 

[Button]

Freeda,
yes, this hex and 37 are only ones that doesn't explicitly indicate movement or lack of it. That's why I'm so puzzled. I've missed the dissipation idea while reading, where can I find more about it?

 

[rosada]

Hi Button,
We crossed posts.
I hope you don't think I was criticizing you for consulting the I Ching!
I was just trying to cover my bets - to say, "Even though I interpret the I Ching as saying the landslide will not immediately effect the structure of your home, for goodness sake don't take my word for it!"
Anyway, now that you have added the info that this landslide is happening on city property and that the city inspectors are checking it out I am even more inclined to interpret 44uc as encouragement that the house will not be effected - because the city will Do Something.

Ohh..I just had a bad thought. What if 44uc means the city does indeed see the problem but still...nothing changes?
Let us know..

 

[Freedda]

... yes, this hex and 37 are only ones that doesn't explicitly indicate movement or lack of it. That's why I'm so puzzled. I've missed the dissipation idea while reading, where can I find more about it?

'Dissipation' is what Bradford Hatcher uses as the name for 44. Some of his thoughts on that can be found at his site: Hexagram Names and Core Meanings.

From his notes on 44: .... this Gua really isn't (necessarily) about the sexes or their battles. Nor is it about empowered or liberated women, even though women who may fancy themeselves as such will almost invariably seize upon this notion. This is just a metaphor that the authors used. It's about the good fight against Dissipation or Entropy ....

And he lists dozens of names for each hexagram; a few that I find perhaps meaningful here for 44 are 'Chance Encounter' and 'Adopting to Circumstances', and 'Welcoming the Yin'. This latter name brings to mind some of my associations with 'yin': movement, change, things being less (than) solid, perhaps too, the changing Earth, ....

You can also find his Yi Jing for sale or as a PDF at his website (along with lots of other interesting things).

As to what I said about the trigram, Wind, that's just from what I've learned and accumulated over the years about the trigrams' meanings. Looking at the upper trigram, the Abyss, it is often associated with danger, what is mysterious or unseen, and the flow or movement of water - which for me brings to mind the flow of groundwater, and wondering, hmmm, how it might play a role in all this?

But, as I said, I'm not at all saying what I'm adding here is 'evidence', only rumination perhaps.

And as to 37, I don't think that was part of your reading, was it?

D.

 

[Button]

No, 37 isn't part of it. Just a thought- with every other hex exept 44 and 37 there is movement or stall mentioned or K'un present - with every other hex I would have less doubt in the answer.
I still have the feeling that Yi is not answering the question, just describing the situation.

 

[Freedda]

No, 37 isn't part of it. Just a thought- with every other hex exept 44 and 37 there is movement or stall mentioned

I still have the feeling that Yi is not answering the question, just describing the situation.

Okay, understood about 37. And you may be right about the Yi's response: I suppose that either the Yi doesn't know the answer or can't answer (maybe because too much is still in motion, in play); or that we don't know how to interpert the answer accurately.

Others may strongly disagree, but for me, sometimes the magic works and sometimes it doesn't - and I'd tend to point fingers at the magician (me) and less so at the hat and the rabbit.

Best, d

 

[rosada]

I think that's what happens when you ask a "yes/no" question.
You asked, "Will the landslide structurally effect my house?" There are no hexagrams that always mean "Yes" and there are no hexagrams that always mean "No" so instead you're given a snapshot of the situation and you are left to figure out what will happen, whether the picture means yes or no. The image for 44 says the prince looks far and wide and sends out mandates. I interpret this to mean that in this case 44. means "No, it will not effect your house because the inspectors are looking at the situation (and I am assuming they then issue some mandate to do something before the dirt comes onto your property)."
Also because the hexagram is unchanging it suggests to me that this act of inspecting the situation also supports the idea that there will be no damage, that the danger is caught in time. But of course it could also mean that while the first step is to assess the situation and that it cannot be known whether the house will be effected until we first see the reaction to the inspection findings.

 

[Button]

Hi again
Quick feedback:
The house is in perfect condition.
The city officials have a plan what to do, and have already started fortifying the landslide. Honesty I'm surprised by this fast reaction.
The expert's report was kind of weird - it says that what happened was "possible, but highly improbable", not recorded so far north and is no doubt due to the extreme temperatures last month. Global warming strikes.
I still don't get the 44 in this context but I'm glad the problem is solved
Thank you all