45.6

[daytripper23]

Does anyone read this line as it were a tragedy? Or otherwise?

 

[pocossin]

I understand it as the necessity to end mourning for the dead.

 

[tuckchang]

A loss might turn out to be a gain.

Regards
Tuck
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[sooo]

I've interpreted this line as pertaining to well meaning intentions to contact someone, but that at the time I have nothing beneficial to offer to our gathering (it changes to h12). So I'd wait for a more positive time to reach out to them, or if able, alter my outlook, cheer myself up, or find a positive reason to get together or have a discussion. I see no reason or benefit to sharing a wet blanket.

 

[rosada]

Sometimes when I'm trying to get a handle on a line I find it helpful to focus on the meaning of the position. The sixth line describes an energy (?) that has passed but one has not yet embraced the new energy as described by the next hexagram. Examples:

1.6 The time of CREATION has passed but we have not yet become RECEPTIVE - thus the feeling of arrogance, like you're talking too much when it's time to listen.

2.6 The time of RECEPTIVITY has passed but we have not yet tackled the DIFFICULTY AT THE BEGINNING - thus the top line is a feeling of arguing and nothing getting done.

45.6 Time of GATHERING TOGETHER has passed but we have not yet started PUSHING UPWARD - thus the top line has a feeling of not being part of the group, crying out to the group, begging them to see us, before the opportunity passes and we must go forward alone.

Maybe 45.6 is about wanting to say good-bye before you go.

rosada

 

[rosada]

new idea just came to me..

Could be...

45.6
"I'm so sorry it took so long for us to be friends cause now just as I'm saying "Hello." I'm also saying "Good-bye."

Leading to 12. Stagnation as in 45.6 Just when you connected you had to leave so all the the things you could have done as a group will now be on hold or Stagnate until..

(stringing more hexagrams together now)

..you work your way up to 13. Fellowship with Men
which is kinda similar to Gathering Together...

rosada

 

[heylise]

Often when you look back, you regret not having said anything, not solved a situation, not tried to change a misunderstanding. Very often it is because at that moment you don't know very well what to say or do. I know now that doing anything, even if you look totally silly, is better than doing nothing. I think that is what the line says. Show something, even if you don't know what. Cry, complain, ask, anything. It changes to 12 where the top line tells you that the standstill does not last forever. It doesn't because this line itself changes to 45, where people connect, share, come together. Hex.45 does not tell exactly "how", just states that they do. One of its lines in that very simple way of holding out a hand.
The 12-line of 45: a standstill in a time of gathering can be solved with simple means like crying.
The 45-line in 12: gathering in a time of standstill will end the stagnation.

 

[chingching]

Rosada , i'm interested in your take of 26.6 along those lines (so to speak) because from a couple of readings I've had lately its been a sense of restraint or working towards a big thing went too far or even that that much taming wasn't needed. But because I get stuck on the poetic phrase 'walks heaven's highway' I think I expect to be swept off my feet. I know its off topic but your postvgot me thinking about the lines which. Are a little more abstract and which I think I misinterpret.

 

[sooo]

Rosada , i'm interested in your take of 26.6 along those lines (so to speak) because from a couple of readings I've had lately its been a sense of restraint or working towards a big thing went too far or even that that much taming wasn't needed. But because I get stuck on the poetic phrase 'walks heaven's highway' I think I expect to be swept off my feet. I know its off topic but your postvgot me thinking about the lines which. Are a little more abstract and which I think I misinterpret.

I'm not Rosada but I've learned to take such poetic expressions as often being nothing more than that. I've received 26.6 and observed it at times being no more than a somewhat blissful emotional detachment, a relief from being bridled and controlled by my concerns, which leads to a state of 11.

Yi's images are, to me, often like electrical shrink wrap, which is an over-sized empty tube that is slipped over two pieces of soldered copper wire, and then is heated so that it shrinks to form a tidy and tight insulation around the soldered joint. The bottom image shows damaged continuity. The middle image shows the clean, new splice. The top image is the end finished result. When we have difficulty completing our understanding of a Yi reading, it's as though the wrapping hasn't yet been shrunk to snugly fit around the new connection, it's just an over-sized sleeve that slips back and forth. Heat shrinks the sleeve to fit.

Returning to 45.6, for me, there is a large conditional factor involved, which has to do with the other person's or people's level of compassion and empathy. The last time I received this line, my son met an old client/acquaintance of mine, who gave my son his phone number and told him to give it to me so I could reconnect with him. I recalled the last time I went to this person I was really down. His response was to show me the correct way to commit suicide, where a gun shot placement should be. (his ex gf committed suicide because he broke up with her, and he seemed indifferent). At the time I asked about calling him and received 45.6, I wasn't in a great state of mind, and had quite a bit to be unhappy about. To my thinking, he was the very last person I'd care to cry the blues to. He's not bad guy, but is a hardened biker type. I don't hold anything against him; he's just not someone I'd pour out my troubles to. I have no regrets for not calling out to him. There are very few people I would trust expressing my sorrows or troubles to. It rarely helps and is often used against the one singing the blues. There are better ways to heal and move on, and healthier people to gather together with. 45.6 is mostly a no-go for me.

 

[charly]

Does anyone read this line as it were a tragedy? Or otherwise?

Hi:

H.45 ends with 吉ji2: LUCKY, which is the general prognostication.
And 45.6 ends with 无咎wu2jiu4 NO WRONG or NO BLAME.
Not necessary to have a tragedy.

Most translators enphasized the action of SIGHING, althoug the received chinese text says so:

45.6
齎 ji1:to send / to present in both hands // to entertain an idea / to consider / to hold in mind // baggage / equipment / tools /
咨 zi1: to consult /to take counsel // to sigh /
涕 ti4: tears / mucus /
洟 yi2:snivel / mucus / snot /

无 wu2: without / not / no / avoid /
咎 jiu4: blame / mistake / wrong /

HOLD-IN-MIND:
A teaching or an advice not to forget.
|
SIGHING TEARS [AND] MUCUS [IS] NO WRONG.
No blame in behaving so.
Nothing wrong in sighing, even with exaggeration.
|
​

An aproppriate conduct, nothing about if the context or the consequences are SAD or LUCKY. An open ended line.

Take account that, among old chinese people, MOURNING merited great consideration mainly in relation with filial piety.

Female propriety, even CHASTITY, was of great importance. Women use to lament, sigh and weep before marriage for not being seen as happy with the idea. (1)

Younger GIRLS and BOYS in love use to sigh and sigh.

Not all SIGHING is MOURNING. Sometimes it mean PASSION. (2)

H.45 is about JOINING, even, maybe, MATING, and its trigrams are JOY over the EARTH.

Yours,


Charly

__________________________
(1) In my country is said that «a man should not believe the dog limp or woman's tears»
(2) The poet Rubén Darío spoke abour «...vague sighs of women under a symbolic laurel»

Que púberes canéforas te ofrenden el acanto,
que sobre tu sepulcro no se derrame el llanto,
sino rocío, vino, miel:
que el pámpano allí brote, las flores de Citeres,
¡y que se escuchen vagos suspiros de mujeres
bajo un simbólico laurel!
​

Rubén Darío: A Verlaine
From: http://www.poesi.as/rd06100.htm

 

[butterfly spider]

Have just got this line asking why I am so despondent going to see my daughter. She is a lovely girl who has bipolar and paranoid behaviour and is also violent. I am finding it hard to arrive at my house where she lives with so much hope that things will be nice and living but because if her violent behaviour it never turns out that way. This hex 45.6 has certainly shaken me to how I should be - it is very hard keeping cheerful it is also a question of intention - she always ends up crying - so it may be that we both need to cry. In any case this line is really helpful. It was a surprise getting it