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bruce_g said:
You prude...
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You prude...
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Gua 43 and 44 both provide clues as to who actually dishes out the gluteal punishment.
In 43 it's one's so-called "prey", the unspeakable thing one pursues. Some predator you are.
In 44 it's none other than the powerful woman you were supposed to have avoided.
No such clues in 47.1 though.
In 43 it's one's so-called "prey", the unspeakable thing one pursues. Some predator you are.
In 44 it's none other than the powerful woman you were supposed to have avoided.
No such clues in 47.1 though.
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bradford said:
Uh, I'll take Hex-43 for $1,000, Alex...
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sparhawk said:Uh, I'll take Hex-43 for $1,000, Alex...
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Most of the lines indicate a pursuit, and making some kind of big deal about the pursuit, against the main Gua Ci advice to simply name and indict the thing truthfully at court and move on, avoiding hostilities. We don't want to demonize our weaknesses. Unless of course you're a mighty nation like the US, that needs to keep making enemies out of nothing in order to keep going.
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Has ghandi left the building yet?
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Hi, John. Interesting website you have. I've a little background on the subject (20 years), and my eldest son has been a member of the Potter's House for about 7 years. Let me know if I may be of assistance, through PM.
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Try this search, Luis. Funny, (I did the same thing before I clicked on yours)
http://www.rickross.com/reference/rajneesh/rajneesh17.html
Guess we're in sync, huh?
http://www.rickross.com/reference/rajneesh/rajneesh17.html
Guess we're in sync, huh?
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Wow, that's quite a negative picture they paint of Rajneesh.
He doesn't deserve that, I think.
This article is written by people who no doubt would write similar things about the Yi. They don't know what they are talking about.
He doesn't deserve that, I think.
This article is written by people who no doubt would write similar things about the Yi. They don't know what they are talking about.
But the best brainwashers are the biggest.. the most dominant. A cult has to find an alternative way to create dominance over individual lives..hence, the crazy guy in the secluded desert setting (no offense to people who live in the desert, Bruce) that cares for its "children". Cults don't have the advantages that dominant cultural and educational systems have.
The best brainwasher I know is the Baptist church. But of course, if you are doing observational research to prove that crazy people who believe in Bible-prohibited practices, such as divination, are cult-like, you'll find whatever evidence you need.
One of my most favorite pieces of work, "On Being Sane in Insane Places", 1973. Riveting, eye-opening, piece of sociological research that points out how role-assignment operates to uphold perceptions of mental illness, and how those who have been assigned the roles cooperate with the roles.
In this study, normal volunteers checked themselves into a psychiatric hospital complaining of auditory hallucinations. They acted completely normal, or "like themselves" save the reporting of auditory hallucinations. All were diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic immediately. While other patients observed the subtle differences between the covert patients and themselves, the doctors did not. In fact, all the covert patients did do was take copious research notes. The psychiatric nurses observed this and and wrote in their notes, "Engaging in writing behaviors.."
So, in other words, they pathologized the "normal" behavior of the "normal" covert patients because of the environment in which they were residing. So, beware of observers who are operating from a social schema that pathologizes an environment- who go looking for something abnormal..
The best brainwasher I know is the Baptist church. But of course, if you are doing observational research to prove that crazy people who believe in Bible-prohibited practices, such as divination, are cult-like, you'll find whatever evidence you need.
One of my most favorite pieces of work, "On Being Sane in Insane Places", 1973. Riveting, eye-opening, piece of sociological research that points out how role-assignment operates to uphold perceptions of mental illness, and how those who have been assigned the roles cooperate with the roles.
In this study, normal volunteers checked themselves into a psychiatric hospital complaining of auditory hallucinations. They acted completely normal, or "like themselves" save the reporting of auditory hallucinations. All were diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic immediately. While other patients observed the subtle differences between the covert patients and themselves, the doctors did not. In fact, all the covert patients did do was take copious research notes. The psychiatric nurses observed this and and wrote in their notes, "Engaging in writing behaviors.."
So, in other words, they pathologized the "normal" behavior of the "normal" covert patients because of the environment in which they were residing. So, beware of observers who are operating from a social schema that pathologizes an environment- who go looking for something abnormal..
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Autumn, no offense taken. Crazy is a term I’m rather comfortable with. But alas, all my mindless zombies have abandoned me for a more fashionable guru. Besides, my shaman license has just expired.
I did a couple of searches on groups I know something about before saying this: It seems to me that thiis Rick Ross, by using little to no judgment in selecting the linked articles for his site, becomes as open to erroneous and toxic thought as the cults he so disdains. There is nothing even remotely close to the intellectual integrity of The Skeptic organization here on his site. He is every bit as unhinged as the other loonies he so fears.
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So I guess you will have to sell one of your Rolls Royces then?bruce_g said:
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martin said:So I guess you will have to sell one of your Rolls Royces then?
Sadly, yes. I've been reduced to driving a Ford Ranger.
Brad, I've searched a little too. I haven't found anything on his site which seems outlandish. So far, it seems to be pretty objective, even if not entirely well informed. I've suspected from his comments he's pretty skeptical of this group, and probably Yijing in general. But that's fine by me.
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Seems I think is the operant word here, and you used it twice.
You have to search for one that you know some real facts about
and compare what is said with what you know.
I am a skeptic, and read The Skeptic regularly, but I'm skeptical
about these guys too. Minds too closed are as much a problem as
minds too open. And they're the ones who do witch hunts.
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Yes, I understand. Who watches the watch dog? I hear ya. I'm a skeptic too.
I’m also coming from a somewhat prejudice (or maybe just experienced?) point of view, having voluntarily submitted to a number of cults, i.e. Krishna Consciousness Movement, Sri Swami Satchidananda, various charismatic churches, and even, dare I say, radical I-Ching cultism. In addition to this, I’ve been on the extreme left and extreme right edges of political parties, which gets very cultish on that level. I figure the only way to really know something is to become one with it, submit to it entirely.
I’ve also watched as my son rendered all to the Potter’s House cult: married in secret in the pastor’s living room, complete isolation from family. I haven’t spoken to him in 7 years. I’ve confronted the pastor personally, twice. I know where he’s coming from, and it ain’t ‘to serve the Lord.’
So, I tend to empathize with cult exposés, even if not intellectually beyond reproach. Would be nice to hear more from John, in the open meadow.
PS: Almost forgot to mention, was nearly abducted by the Moonies while on the Berkeley CA campus. Had it not been for the band guys I was staying with, I'd have been off to camp early the next morning. Man, those guys are slick! Doctor John, he was called. Plays up to the idealism in you; and if you're all alone, the wolves pick you out of even a large crowd. An hour later I'm sitting in their large dorm, eating plastic peanut butter on white bread, and watching a slide show of a bunch of deleriously happy people. "Wouldn't you like to be happy like them?" Doctor John asked... "We'll pick you up at 6 tomorrow morning."
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What is truly interesting, and revealing, is imagining the criterion that had to have been applied to this message board to begin the cult-watching project here. You can alomst imagine the buzz words going off.. "I-ching", ooohh... BAD... BAD.... "community".. oooohh.. even worse..
And then to realize what a complete absence of any discriminating thought process must have been at work to have landed here... I mean, just think for one second about the absence of discrimination. There is no "leader", Hilary is usually too busy to post anything. There is no single YiJing translation. There is no single philosophy of how divination works. There is no dress code. No offering plate. Well, I take that back, Hilary after much reflection added a tiny link to her site for those who feel moved to contribute. No insistence on The KJV or debates about the original Greek. In fact, if you read back far enough into the message boards, you realize the actual people who have contributed enough to create a "community" have come and gone.
How can you read Hilary's work, especially most recently her moving discussion of her nativity reading, and not be moved by her integrity and dedication? And yet, by no stretch of the imagination can she be perceived as a personality focus here. And then as you continue to read- where is the core mind control- the deepest layers of the "cult onion" hidden beneath the "fluff" that controls your thinking and relationships? What you see here is what you get. People taking time out from the day to talk about something they think is interesting.
So it's obvious- without even having the website link- that it HAD to be an evangelical group. It HAD to be, because they were so hooked by the words "divination" and "i-ching". A materialist skeptic group wouldn't have been impressed enough with the lack of structure or prevailing viewpoints or personality control here to investigate.
The wolf in sheep's clothing is conscious of its true nature and thus seeks to reassure itself that it is in fact a sheep by labeling others who serve as a more conspicuous target. The evangelical church looking for mind control groups to demonize is a projection of inner awarness that the their beliefs are cultish and controlling, if anything is.
In our society, the people who have the most status are purely materialist. Doctors. Scientists. People who deny belief in the invisible. Society has evovled in that direction since the Enlightenment. To compensate, the Church evolved toward a "rational apology" for its beliefs. They sought to take the mystical out of the belief system to reassure themselves and secure status for themselves, so that the Chuch became about rational Ideas, and not about Ontology (knowing, being,).
As a result, right thinking became a substitute for knowing. What you think about something theological and how well your ideas perfectly fit in line with scripture became the standard by which others should be judged, and the fruit of those beliefs/ideas/movements has been the denomization of others. (Where is the cult?)
Recently there were two pastors who stepped down from evangelical churches after admitting that they were homosexual. I read commentary from a writeer who wrote, "do you think the fact that this pastor felt this way since the age of 5 would be enough to slap these people out of their ideological stupor? No, of course not. Even that piece of information doesn't allow any light to enter their minds." There is no room for re-evaluation. This pastor was deceived by the Devil, end of story, we can not re-evalute Paul's teachings on sexual orientation.
Mind control?
And then to realize what a complete absence of any discriminating thought process must have been at work to have landed here... I mean, just think for one second about the absence of discrimination. There is no "leader", Hilary is usually too busy to post anything. There is no single YiJing translation. There is no single philosophy of how divination works. There is no dress code. No offering plate. Well, I take that back, Hilary after much reflection added a tiny link to her site for those who feel moved to contribute. No insistence on The KJV or debates about the original Greek. In fact, if you read back far enough into the message boards, you realize the actual people who have contributed enough to create a "community" have come and gone.
How can you read Hilary's work, especially most recently her moving discussion of her nativity reading, and not be moved by her integrity and dedication? And yet, by no stretch of the imagination can she be perceived as a personality focus here. And then as you continue to read- where is the core mind control- the deepest layers of the "cult onion" hidden beneath the "fluff" that controls your thinking and relationships? What you see here is what you get. People taking time out from the day to talk about something they think is interesting.
So it's obvious- without even having the website link- that it HAD to be an evangelical group. It HAD to be, because they were so hooked by the words "divination" and "i-ching". A materialist skeptic group wouldn't have been impressed enough with the lack of structure or prevailing viewpoints or personality control here to investigate.
The wolf in sheep's clothing is conscious of its true nature and thus seeks to reassure itself that it is in fact a sheep by labeling others who serve as a more conspicuous target. The evangelical church looking for mind control groups to demonize is a projection of inner awarness that the their beliefs are cultish and controlling, if anything is.
In our society, the people who have the most status are purely materialist. Doctors. Scientists. People who deny belief in the invisible. Society has evovled in that direction since the Enlightenment. To compensate, the Church evolved toward a "rational apology" for its beliefs. They sought to take the mystical out of the belief system to reassure themselves and secure status for themselves, so that the Chuch became about rational Ideas, and not about Ontology (knowing, being,).
As a result, right thinking became a substitute for knowing. What you think about something theological and how well your ideas perfectly fit in line with scripture became the standard by which others should be judged, and the fruit of those beliefs/ideas/movements has been the denomization of others. (Where is the cult?)
Recently there were two pastors who stepped down from evangelical churches after admitting that they were homosexual.
I read commentary from a writeer who wrote, "do you think the fact that this pastor felt this way since the age of 5 would be enough to slap these people out of their ideological stupor? No, of course not. Even that piece of information doesn't allow any light to enter their minds." There is no room for re-evaluation. This pastor was deceived by the Devil, end of story, we can not re-evalute Paul's teachings on sexual orientation.Mind control?
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BUT who is soulreaver? is he the marshall applewhite guy or the cult hunter? sorry I am confused. his picture is the marshall applewhite guy form heavens gate.
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Well, that’s the problem, isn’t it? Each suspecting the other of serving the devil? Talk about a divine comedy/tragedy.
I’m not defending John’s motives, nor am I making any accusations. He hasn’t said anything about it yet. I’m not sure why you are jumping to conclusions here, unless you saw something on his site that I missed, which is entirely possible.
Brad, you don’t think Yi can be dangerous if one makes it the center of their existence, the only word of God or gods, the truth, light and way? Or do you think no-one does this? I’m talking about abuse, not use; a dictator not a teacher.
I’m not defending John’s motives, nor am I making any accusations. He hasn’t said anything about it yet. I’m not sure why you are jumping to conclusions here, unless you saw something on his site that I missed, which is entirely possible.
Brad, you don’t think Yi can be dangerous if one makes it the center of their existence, the only word of God or gods, the truth, light and way? Or do you think no-one does this? I’m talking about abuse, not use; a dictator not a teacher.
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Ha! I know how can we cloak our evil, cultish activities behind a curtain of logic and objectivity: We should name Chris our leader
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bruce_g said:
I'm not sure that anybody's mind Can be a whole lot better or worse than the way it actually develops. Sure, maybe half again as good if someone accidently runs into worthy teachers, or half as good if life deals them a succession of very good con artists.
But I think a genius will find its way to genius, through hell if necessary, or go crazy trying, a good mind will resist or avoid being conned, while a true believer from the beginning may not have had all the necessary parts to be anything more than a sheep. I am fairly certain that the people who drink the Koolaid are never depriving posterity of any great and original thoughts. I do imagine it's fairly horrifying to lose a loved one or a friend to a cult. I've lost friends to progressive mental illness, like schizophrenia. I imagine that's similar, if not the same thing. But there comes a point where all you can do is learn not to go there and spread that lesson around.
Abuse? Maybe in a perfect society there would be a building where a wanna be murderer could go to meet a wanna be suicide and everyone gets what they want.
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bradford said:
A "wanna be" murder/suicide? I say let the suicide guy do it himself. I'll sell him the nikes.
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What are nikes ? Do you mean training shoes ? Why would a person need nikes to commit suicide ?
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sparhawk said:Ha! I know how can we cloak our evil, cultish activities behind a curtain of logic and objectivity: We should name Chris our leader
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Great thinking batman, they'll never fathom our real 10th BC thoughts they'll have to get past him first
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trojan said:
To depart life in style?
(Some of those suckers are very expensive...)L