47>59 and 10>7 Tiger Bite Dream...

[dancing white ferret]

Hello Everyone! Well, hopefully my computer will be ready to go soon. I'm posting this from a local coffee shop. I certainly miss the convenience of having my own PC.

I have been working on figuring this one out for a few days now, but can't really make much of it. I had a strange dream the other night that there were these animals biting me, and after they got a taste of my blood, they were giving me insight... Very weird. I was letting them bite me, it's not like they were attacking me. First, there was a tiger, and then I think a wolf, and last was a fox. Each animal's bite was progressively more painful, but there insights became progressively deeper.

I have been trying to make a lot of decisions lately, and I wonder if this dream has something to do with that. I have a lot of Native American ancestry, and I know fox is one of my totem animals. Could these be animal spirit guides? Or just parts of my own mind? I have to admit, I lean more toward the animal spirit guide view here... This dream made me think of the idea that spirit is carried in the blood. Of course I can't remember what any of the animals told me though. All I really vividly recall is the foxes mouth moving and a human voice giving me some very useful information, and then my stupid alarm clock woke me up... So I asked the Yi

"What was the meaning of this dream?" and I got 47.4.6>59

"Who were the animals in the dream?" and I got 10.1.4.5.6>7

Treading the tiger brings about the army? Hmmm, I wonder if this means that there is a dangerous situation that these animals, the army, are trying to help out with? I think I may have startled the tiger in my dream, or I should say he startled me, at first. Then was surprised that he was actually quite friendly, and sought to help me. big white tiger! Turned out to be very nice fella... I was also half asleep and half awake the other night and the phrase, "You've jumped right into the jaws of the tiger" came to mind. A week befor the dream I'm posting about. So, there is definitely something going on here with this tiger. As to the meaning of the dream, I'm not very confident in my interpretation of the hexagram, but here is what I came up with...

47.4.6 I think may be pointing to a need to dedicate myself to what I'm doing, and everything will fall into place if I have the right attitude. Perhaps 59 means I'm spreading myself to thin... Also, 59.6 has been coming up in a lot of my readings. Is that the Fan Yao here, or anything significant. That one keeps coming up, and it talks about dispersing blood... seems important. If anyone has some insight as to what this might mean, please, let me know. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this.

Thanks in Advance,
:bowsWF:bows:

 

[chingching]

10 > 7

an army (militia ) of ancestors!!! what a correaltion! was hilary talking about ancestors in ex div or cc?

7 certainly is like a pack of animals isnt it. And blood, could it be as literal as blood ties, some dreams are quite literal. 10.6 to me means lol at the cycle of events there are clues fro you there, has someone walk in your shoes before you?

I was reading an old thread of mine where Bruce had said the point of 47 is that some confining structure has to be moved and you need to get to the water in the situation the revitalising element, its great that it is accompanied with 59 then, disperse yourself, spread yourself around.

 

[dancing white ferret]

Thanks Chingching, I'm glad you saw what I was getting at. I thought maybe I was going out on a limb with this interpretation, but then I came across that thread you mentioned. I believe it was in Exploring Divination. I'm not sure what the confining structure is here, but I have a feeling it is more internal kind of thing. And I don't really get 59. What am I supposed to disperse? How do I do that?

 

[chingching]

send something in the mail, reach out to others, give a bunch of old clothes to charity, send a valentine's text to everyone you know, go out somewhere public and talk to new people, suggest a fun activity in your facebook status-see who answers, give everyone you know a big hug.

In hilary's book she poses these questions for her 59:

Where and how can you be less rigid?
where were the walls in the situation and what can you see as they dissolve away (this one suits a lot yes!)
As energy and vitality is liberated from old boundaries , where will it go? (!)

 

[Lavalamp]

Ok kinda a hard one for me, as I asked what I needed to be happy recently and also got 47 "Oppression/Exhaustion", and I am tempted to go straight into dream analysis and by pass the Yi with such a pithy dream.

"What was the meaning of this dream?"
47.4
He comes very quietly, oppressed in a golden carriage. Humiliation, but the end is reached.
47.6
A man is oppressed by bonds that can easily be broken. The distress is drawing to an end.

Both lines indicate you are consciously choosing to take the experience in, not resisting what is happening. 47 "Oppression/Exhaustion" means among other things setting down roots. In this context perhaps you are the earth, and these powers/forces/principalities are taking root in you, you are allowing certain forces in life to "take a bite of you" - to teach you - and in so allowing it, those powers take root in your soul. Releasing your life force (blood in your dream). It sounds sacrificial and like the metaphor of the cross, you are strong enough to go a difficult way because you become greater person with expanded personal power for doing so.

>59
The wind drives over the water: The image of DISPERSION.
Thus the kings of old sacrificed to the Lord And built temples.

As the lines indicated, sacrifice, making holy, you are building your character/ "the temple" by virtue of giving up your blood (life force), and these powers are building your inner substance.

"Who were the animals in the dream?" _ "Footprints of the Ancestors. (Lise) Treading (Tiger)
10.1 Simplicity without entanglement. "White shoes."
10.4 Confronting danger with careful respect. "Scaredy Cat."
10.5 Courage. "Summoning danger for lasting value."
10.6 Harvesting fortune. "The footprints of your ancestors, returning."

>7 Allies. Allies are synonymous with Spirit guides in Native American tradition.

So - you are being guided with great interest and concern DWF, by your Ancestors and Spirit Guides and Allies. All the Foxes, and Tigers, and Wolves are teaching you, and it hurts, but this increases your personal power. Perhaps you should change your name to Dancing White Fox now.

 

[dancing white ferret]

Thank you so much, both of you. Brilliant interpreting. I had a very long and detailed response typed out, and my phone erased it somehow. Worked on it all day between errands, just adding a little here and there, and then poof! Gone! I hit Submit and just a blank screen for 10 minutes.... Then tryed to refresh, to bring back the screen with all my thoughts clearly written out, but to no avail):. It is not that reliable when processing replies, so I will provide more detailed feedback from the coffe shop computer, hopefully in the near future.
:bowsWF:bows:

 

[precision grace]

Native American ancestry definitely explains the dream animals

47.1.4 to 59 is about correcting past mistakes and 10.1.4.5.6 is about learning and preparing to go forward - organising your abilities, learning from past mistakes, making sure that all your bases are covered. It's not an unsual dream considering you are just going through major changes in your life (relationships, jobs, places where you live, who knows what else?)

So, I was wondering, Dorothy Red Slippers, what does each of those animals represent to You?
There is a lot of symbolism there probably
Tigers that don't change their stripes..
Wolf in a sheep's clothing..
Clever like a Fox..

Personally, I don't see them that way. To me Tiger is a symbol of power and grace. Wolf is a pack animal that is as dangerous as it is friendly and Fox is a cute but annoying opportunist.

what are they to you?

Speaking of dispersing, is sweat lodge an option?

 

[Lavalamp]

Tigers fearlessly confront danger.
Wolves are loyal, they follow the leader, and sing to the Moon.
Foxes are pretty, smart, cautious, but in passion may kill more than they can eat.

 

[dancing white ferret]

Phew... Finally got my computer set up... About time. I've been going mad with boredome, unable to post like a normal person with a full size keyboard and functional wireless capabilities. So, let's see if I can recapture the clarity of my original response.

I didn't read LiSe's translation for these when I cast this, and now I am really kicking myself. Actually, these hexagrams have been coming up for me a lot, and I have read Lise's translation for 10 before, but for some reason I didn't make the connection at all. It has crossed my mind on a few occssions that 7 might be referring to the spirit guide army. Odd, because LiSe's verbiage for hexagram 10 actually mentions ancestors, so you would think that might make a light go off in my head ... It's been one of those months. I think the Yi has been drawing my attention here for a while. I've gotten 10 so many times, and haven't been able to make much sense of it.

So, as Chingching mentioned, dispersing means breaking down walls where I have been rigid. I think this is generally speaking about dispersing as it relates with my spirit guides, and having more contact with them through this kind of relationship Lavalamp has described. I have had a few other similar types of dreams recently, so communication like this is becoming more common for sure. I usually don't remember the details, but have been remembering more what I've been told. Last night, I was warned to be very careful about negative energies. Was told I was suscepitble to negative energies because I am kind of like a clear crystal? Quartz maybe? I think that is what she said, anyway. I'm not sure what that means exactly, but yes, will definitely be more careful. Been spraying sage oil in water all over the place! Going to get some obsidian tomorrow, or some similar dark stone for absorbing negative energy.

Lavalamp, your interpretation makes great sense to me. That is how I feel about my current situation. Like it is a tough time, but learning a lot and becoming a stronger person. And the crucifiction metaphor... The puncture marks on my hand looked very stigmataesque now that you mention it, and I actually have a strong connection with Christian faith as well, so this makes sense for me especially. And, yes, I would have to agree, the Yi is suggesting that these animals are spirit guides, Native American guides most likely. Dancing White Fox... Hmmm, it does have a nice ring to it.

So, what does each animal mean to me? Let me gather my thoughts on that a little better. As usual, you all see so much that I have missed. Thanks Everyone:bows:....

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One thing that stood out to me almost immediately with the animals in the dream is the contrast between the fox and the tiger. The tiger was white, an albino. There are many disadvantages to being an albino in the wild, the most obvious being visibility. A white tiger really stands out in the jungle. No camouflage, the foxes greatest gift! Foxes are known for their sly and cunning methods to maneuver out of any situation, remaining unseen. Tigers are powerful and aggressive, very in your face, while foxes are masters of illusion and evasion.

Wolves are pack animals, but I always seem to identify more with the lone wolf, as for some reason, I always imagine them being alone. The wolf to me is tied up with the moon, and all it's symbolism, including... change! Aha moment!!! Wolves are traditionally thought of as teachers or pathfinders. I would say the wolf here may represent a change of direction, lessons learned... and may be referring to the actual moon in my natal chart! A lot of my development centers around it, so may be pointing to a major shift in development. So, this actually makes perfect sense here.

I have become more fox like over the years, and I feel like this dream is alluding to new ways of handling emotions, intuition, maybe even my nurturing instincts, and just generally becoming more like the fox. Lessons I'm still working on. I wonder if there has been some sort of astrological shift involving my moon placement recently? Hmm. Just curious. I'll see if I can find out, and let you all know.

Dorothy Red Slippers, I like that... Dancing White Ferret aka Dancing White Fox aka Dorothy Red Slippers

 

[precision grace]

I have to say, I sometimes wonder why we bother trying to read castings for ourselves at all, because when we cast, it is about some issue that has a gripped and confused and from such state it is impossible to see things clearly or read the interpretation of Yi casting without a massive bias.

For example, I have received 10.1.5.6 > 40 when asking 'what should I do with these feelings' (i.e. some feelings I couldn't make sense of that were overwhelming me) and the reading made no sense to me even though when I look at Your reading of 10.1.4.5.6 - it seems clear what it means in relation to your life.

We cannot see ourselves in our entirety, only by sideways glimpses from which we then try to construct a hologram of ourselves that we can observe and analyse the way we analyse others. But this is also impossible because our experience of ourselves is ten dimensional, while our experience of others is only four dimensional. And then we try and apply the same thinking to ourselves as we do for the others and it doesn't work.

Like right now, I have no idea what I am talking about any more and a moment ago it all seemed so clear!

 

[dancing white ferret]

Thank you... I know what you're talking about. Well, good to know I'm not alone. You describe the inherent problem there well. It's so frustrating! I did a little research and the moon in my progressed chart is reaching the end of a long contact with Neptune that began almost 2 years ago. An opposition. Also, is toward the end of a transit through Gemini. But nothing really jumped out at me as a very clear connection to the dream meaning there. Either way, is interesting that there is some shift coming up there.
This dream reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons, the one where Johnny Cash cameos as the voice over for the coyote. Anyone know what I'm talking about here. Great episode. Homer goes to the chili cook off, and ends up tripping off some super spicy hot peppers, which were grown by the prisoners of a Guatemalan insane asylum. I think there was a lot of inspiration from Carlos Castenada here. Anyway, in his visions he sees a talking coyote (Johnny Cash). Great episode! One of my favorites! Here is a snapshot of Homer and the coyote...

 

[pocossin]

I have to say, I sometimes wonder why we bother trying to read castings for ourselves at all, because when we cast, it is about some issue that has a gripped and confused and from such state it is impossible to see things clearly or read the interpretation of Yi casting without a massive bias.

Indeed. I find it very difficult to make a significant reading for myself, very easy to read for others. At best I have some idea where my dreams come from.

 

[dancing white ferret]

You too, Pocossin... Well, it is a good thing we have Clarity. Otherwise, we would all be in deep trouble trying to read for ourselves. And well said, Pocossin! Reading is definitely a matter of perspective, and I know for me, what I have trouble seeing in my own readings isn't the meaning, the connotation, or the casting so much, it's how it all relates to me. That is the really tricky part! It's like trying to see a crop circle from the ground. Just too close to get a clear picture... I also have found myself creatively piecing things together occasionally, to create the best reading imaginable from a clearly inauspicious casting.

 

[Lavalamp]

We cannot see ourselves in our entirety, only by sideways glimpses from which we then try to construct a hologram of ourselves that we can observe and analyse the way we analyse others. But this is also impossible because our experience of ourselves is ten dimensional, while our experience of others is only four dimensional. And then we try and apply the same thinking to ourselves as we do for the others and it doesn't work.

There's a connection I think. To produce a hologram, you shine light onto a two dimensional surface to produce the 3 dimensional image. The "Universe as a Hologram" theory suggests processes on the 2 dimensional level produce the 3 dimensional universe we experience, and by extension perhaps each of the 10 dimensional planes that Superstring Theory has the math to describe, is built upon every other.

But when it comes to finding our way, I think it's the "I and Thou" thing. Our eyes look outward to others, and in others we find our mirror of self. We were built to understand ourselves through our relationships I think, and none of us stands so tall we don't need anyone else....

 

[dancing white ferret]

I should also clarify here, especially since I have read so much about genetic memory. I don't know much about that, but I don't think that is a factor here. I think this connection with my native ancestors is purely spiritual in it's roots, like we're spiritual relatives, since I do not have any Native American genes or blood. My great grandmother was 100% Lenape, and she and my great grandfather adopted my grandmother when she was an infant. I don't know exactly what the origins of these roots are for me, but maybe I was Native American in a past life.

Superstring theory and holograms of the universe! This seems like a perfect place to ask about the whole genetic memory thing. What do you all make of that? Clearly that could not be what is going on here, but I've come across that idea a few times on Clarity... how does that compare/contrast to having spirit guides like this?

 

[answeredquestions]

Would anyone like to share more about spirit guides, animal totems or even shamanism relating to animals?

 

[meganj]

Hi ferret!!
interesting dream experience. Ive had a few dreams with my animal spirits (mine is a wolf), he came to warn me about my ex (i now realize years later) that i was recieving a warnin that this guy wasnt the right person for me.. the first time this happened my wolf came to me in the woods, we sat around a fire and i presented an offering of a bag of tobacco (tobacco is sacred in my culture, used for ceremonies, I am cree).
It was a very powerful dream and was the beginning of many more. i remember once I dreamt of my late granny denise on my mothers side whom i was very close to, she told me a certain person needed guidance and help.. When i awoke i realized how precious that dream was, i mean i was actually crying in my sleep because i missed her.. i even smelt her when i woke up. The next summer i decided to join my cousin on a 4-year journey, I endured my first sundance.
C: whenever I have dreams of significance (and i believe you know those) its best to try to really find the answer within your own understanding as well as talking to.peoplewho know stuff about dreams and animal spirits (the people on this forum seem to be a very good source, by what I read so far) and
its interesting how you dreamt of three animals, maybe you carry the energy of those spirits with you strongly at this time.

I think dreams are a very significant thing to us, they can mean alot or they can just be memories or it could be something that triggered the dream in the waking world that you remember and weave into the fabric of your dream. I remember once I had the same dream as my cousin the night after she told me about hers.. it was weird, I don't know if it was memory or if it was just something I needed to experience too but it definiately caused some questioning. These things strengthen our spirit, because it raises our awareness of what happens to you when you dream, some people never think twice about certain dreams.. or even experience this type of thing.




Megan

 

[meganj]

It can be quite a task to try and make sense of certain dreams.. sometimes i google certain symbolisms that i just dont know what to make of. Anyways I know a tiger symbolizes incredible power and energy. wolves are interesting because they form bonds in packs but also do well alone, and fox' are clever.


***Oh! this also reminds me of the time I was sweating with my grandpa and cousin, and during the 3rd round I saw a white buffalo. This is a great blessing apparently, because native people relied on this animal to get through the difficult winters, there was so much resource that came from them.
I took that to mean that I was being honoured by my elders.
See we get signals or msgs from our spirits or the ones that are with us during specific times in our lives.

White means purity and grace..
Which hex speaks of white and purity, simpleness and grace.. ?
I forget but it applies to everything in life. Same with your white tiger.
I have also dreamt of tigers, about 2 years ago, actually it was when I first started learning about the Yi.
I don't know if it was because I had gotten hex 10 a few times and was studying that specific design but I remember this huge tiger I was riding atop and we found a huge pile of treasures in my grandmas yard lol, I looked through these things and found a few items that belonged to my grandmother which I kept, it was shortly after my grandma passed away. Turns out we went through her stuff and I kept a few things of hers.

What do you associate your own dreaming with?
Wasn't it China and India that considers tigers as sacred animals?
I have also read that they can symbolize sexuality and fertility, power, beauty and maybe repressed fears and desires, they are also aggressive, and can represent emotions.

Wolves are also interesting because of their pride, and incredible independancy and leadership.
Not only will they follow loyally but can be great leaders of packs.

The fact you were bitten in your dream sounds to me like these animals are the strengths you carry with you right now, you are speaking to them and them to you.
http://www.picturesdaddy.com/wallpapers/31063/native+american+spirituality.html

I'm really glad answeredquestions dug this post up, I have alot to share about my personal experiences as you can tell that is hopefully useful to others who are trying to understand dream symbolisms and spirit guides.

 

[answeredquestions]

Thanks for sharing. I have had the same image in my head for years, for a painting.. I'd like to perhaps detail it by understanding animal shamanism. Any good books?

 

[meganj]

I haven't read anything about these things.. I have just spoken to my grandpa and cousins about their experiences.
And I wanted to embed the picture but don't know how :s lol