49.1.4 to 39 regarding vaccination

[dfreed]

I will end this discussion with this last post.
Yes, on USA Today, 'Joints for Jabs': Washington state turns to marijuana giveaways to encourage residents to get vaccinated.

OMG! I don't know if I should be thanking our governor for coming up with this, or get pissed at him for waiting so long!

But as I said, if people weren't paying attention to a bunch of bullcrap in the first place, we wouldn't have to resort to such giveways.

Or at least that's what my gut is telling me!

 

[Trojina]

The ridiculous thing with the propaganda theory is you know propaganda usually serves an end. What possible end can people think there is for getting people vaccinated. I guess they imagine it's all some sinister plot. It just doesn't make sense but that doesn't seem to bother them.

 

[emiliana2010]

It seems like I have to continue this post, at least for clarity's sake.

In dfreed example, "If someone comes to my door and says there's a wild fire headed towards my home" I wouldn't consider that propaganda, just an info.
But if all tv channels and newspapers would tell me that there's a wild fire headed towards my home 24 hours a day everyday for months, and therefore I need to do this or that, I would consider that propaganda aiming at me doing what they have in mind.

Since March last year I put under my belt more than 700 hours of research (I know people that researched much more than I did), and I don't mean that I read posts on FB. I read the studies from researchers of the likes of Geert Vanden Bossche, an independent virologist and vaccine expert, formerly employed at GAVI and The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation; Dr. Peter McCullough, an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist and Clinical Professor of Medicine at Texas A & M College of Medicine, Dallas, TX.; the Nobel Prices Luc Montagner and Michael Levitt.

They all say to stay clear of those shots.

Being not a scientist I keep my mouth shut on this Covid topic. But I like to know things.

Like everybody I guess, I know people who went to hospitals or tried to be admitted to one and died.
And I know of people that recovered in a matter of days under the supervision of courageous doctors that administered them the medicines that the authorities were considering “not tested enough”, as if those jabs have been tested enough.

Covid is real, is out there, but it can be cured very easily, and this is what some “power” doesn’t want people to know because the jabs, being not FDA approved, can be administered only in an “emergency”, when there is no other possibile cure. And all this power wants is to have people take those shots.
The why, I don’t know. A lot of hearsay about it.

 

[dfreed]

I read the studies from researchers of the likes of Geert Vanden Bossche ....

Well okay, if you have done all this great research, why didn't you just say so at the beginning, instead of giving us a bunch of bullcrap about a Tunisian fisherman and pot gummy bears, and how you don't understand the science ....?

And Dr. Vanden Bossche is a doctor of veternary medicine! And isn't his opinion only one of many different opinions - none of which you understand very well?

But if all tv channels and newspapers would tell me that there's a wild fire headed towards my home 24 hours a day everyday for months

I don't own a TV, but I do know that what you are describing here is a gross exaggeration - I have friends who watch shows on TV and look at the internet and are not being 'overwhelmed' by news of COVID or of wildfires! It makes me wonder, are you the one spreading the propoganda here - and besides, do you really watch TV or look at the internet 24 hours a day?

Covid is real, is out there, but it can be cured very easily,

And now you are telling us, since you are not a scientist but only believe in some science, and you're overwhelmed by all that propoganda out there, but find the time to believe some of the propoganda ... somehow in the midst of all this, you now proclaim IT CAN BE CURED VERY EASILY!

Which part of you not understanding the science and you being overwhelmed by propoganda is this statement based on?

 

[Trojina]

Covid is real, is out there, but it can be cured very easily, and this is what some “power” doesn’t want people to know because the jabs, being not FDA approved, can be administered only in an “emergency”, when there is no other possibile cure. And all this power wants is to have people take those shots.
The why, I don’t know. A lot of hearsay about it.

I'm glad you know it's real. If there hadn't been so much news about it these last 18 months it wouldn't have gotten through to people how serious it was.

The thing with 'research' is you can look and find any evidence that backs up your view. It doesn't make it valid, it clearly isn't valid if you think Covid can be easily cured and this cure is not being used because of some conspiracy whereby instead of wanting people to be well and the economy to start functioning again those in power really just want people to have the vaccine and not get better.

If you aren't thinking about the 'why' you should. If you do you will realise none of this conspiracy theory you to adhere makes any sense at all. This isn't in favour of capitalist goals. Moreover this is a worldwide pandemic so are you suggesting that every single government in the world, Russia, UK, France, India, that they are all suppressing the easy cure because they want people to have vaccines because.....ah you hadn't thought about that.

Oh and of course those 'in power' have had Covid too. Boris Johnson was pretty ill with it. Now if he was in the know about this easy cure you'd think he'd use it rather than have to go into intensive care.



What you don't seem to see is what governments are scared/reason for the warnings is the hospitals not being able to cope. If the hospitals can't cope it's a very dire scenario, if it got too bad it's like the end of civilization, it's very serious. How can they stop the hospitals being overwhelmed and those with other illnesses not getting the help they need ? They could issue health advice, including vaccination. If they didn't they'd be accused of neglect.

Now Boris has ended restrictions here we are heading for another massive wave of infection. Frankly I'm more cautious of Covid now than in the hard lockdown when rates were peaking because it is spreading now without impediment. And the double vaccine doesn't stop even younger people getting Covid it's just they get it less severely than if they hadn't been vaccinated but I've seen them get it bad enough to be more than a minor illness. And then there's long Covid which could affect a person long term.

 

[redoleander]

I wonder if Line 1 is about the first shot being done with and Line 4 saying that once you get your second shot you'll experience a big change because you are fully vaxxed? It's interesting because I receive this line in one of my vaccination readings; my experience was that they were saying I had to get Pfizer when I planned to get Moderna, so I had to let them know what I needed. Basically change the mandate of what would have happened if I didn't speak up. That was my interpretation. But sometimes it might not be so. literal. It really could mean that by getting this your lifestyle can or will change somewhat now. I say this as somehow who remains very cautious but overall I might take that away from it.

 

[redoleander]

And as far as 39 goes, it could be as simple as some side effects. That's pretty normal though right? A sore arm could be 39, doesn't need to be catastrophic. Could be that you go in and they can't see you that day, send you somewhere else or tell you to come back another time. I don't think you have to assume the worst at all.

 

[dfreed]

I read the studies from researchers (like) ... Dr. Peter McCullough ....

Interesting. I read a bit about Dr. McCullough, and here are a few things he talked about:

* ... that COVID is a bioweapon and the vaccines represent “phase two” of that bioweapon.

* that Dr. Fauci was "at the scene of the crime," and that this was "probably (as yet unproven) bioterrorism that went wrong."

A few things come to mind:

* It was ex-president Trump whom declared COVID a national emergency early last year; and it was Trump who approved tens of billions of dollars to develop these vaccines, and he also said he would be developing the 'best' vaccines ever! and that he would develop them quicker than anyone else could possibly develop them! (This is not CNN: I heard him say this!!)

So, was Trump also in on this bioterrorism conspiracy? But now he's throwing Fauci under the bus to further his own selfish goals? It sure seems that way!

* Dr. McCullough may be learned, but he sounds an aweful lot like a conspiracy theorists, and this makes me wonder, is he being driven by science, or more by his political ideology or even his evangelical religious beliefs? I mean such things have happened before: just look at Marjorie Taylor Greene and Donnie T!

* And finally, Dr. McCullough is one voice among many, and there are equally learned and knowedgable people who do not agree with him. Given the fact that the doctor sounds a bit unhinged with his conspiracy theories and bio-terror talk - and his put-down of Fauci while letting Trump off the hook- he sounds pretty suspect to me!

Best, D