5.1.3.6>59 threat

[moss elk]

I'm involved in a situation that i dont have the option of withdrawing from.
(Protecting a runaway)

The father is abusive and has a considerable criminal history.
I was told last night that he threatened to kill me once the dust settles from the child protection investigation, and he is biding his time until then.

I asked what i should do about the threat. (The options i was considering were: 1 do nothing and bide my time or 2 report the threat to authorities in order to reveal him for what he is)

Answer: 5.1.3.6>59
5 seems to say do nothing, but the lines speak of danger and assistance.

Any suggestions?

 

[Trojina]

I think without a doubt report the threat. The authorities already know he beats up his daughter...they also need to know he has threatened you.

I didn't even look at the reading to come to that conclusion....this man needs stopping doesn't he, can you afford the risk of not taking his threats seriously ?

The reading kind of looks like things blowing over, sorting themselves out. Yet I cannot really advise you not to report it since threats are acts of violence. You should not have to live with any threat of intimidation because you are sheltering the girl from this man. She needs all the help she can get so that means keeping yourself safe to help her doesn't it ?

If someone threatened to kill me I wouldn't care what the IC said, I'd report it....unless it was said in such a way that it was obviously an empty threat. As the police are already dealing with the girl then they need to know about his threat to you don't they.

If you don't mind me asking, why is she with you anyway ? I just mean for your sake wouldn't it be better if she were with a woman too ? I'm just thinking make sure you are protected from any allegations made to undermine you. You are a 40+man, she is a 14 year old girl so you seem potentially vulnerable to accusations of all sorts, from him and others. No need to answer my question, I trust you, I'm just thinking if she isn't a relative you could be in a vulnerable position ?? Maybe you have that covered.

 

[moss elk]

I decided last night to inform the police, before i did the reading today.

I guess it was like telling someone you were going to do something and wanting their feedback on the matter.
I think of driving a car a long distance on a straight road.
In the process of going forward, you turn the wheel slightly to the right and slightly to the left accomodating the drift of the car due to the bumps in the road.

 

[moss elk]

Trojina,

She isn't staying at my home. I thought it proper for her to stay with a woman too,
so i arranged for her to stay with a female relative of mine.

I am the person who made the reports and have been in all communications with authorities.

 

[Trojina]

Good for you for taking care of her :bows:

 

[blue_angel]

If it was the child protection services that told you, then they have to follow through with documenting and reporting as well. When they told you what was their demeanor? Was it like, "can you believe this bastard, we interview him and he threatened to kill you later" or was it a look of true concern and uncertainty, (which would be strange and mean they are inexperienced)? I mean, you didn't ask them if they had any suggestions or direction you should take, or simply if you should be worried? Sorry I'll go back and read your posts, you may have answered already.

There's so many things to consider. One, people like this guy "usually" prey on the vulnerable, smaller, weaker than them types. They rarely stand up to another man, even if they Talk, its all talk. Like a bully, they don't follow through. Show no fear, they feed on fear. However...

If he's like my own bastard of a father, he is crazy, full of rage, and has no fear to attempt to harm a man twice his size. So it doesn't matter who he's going after or starting a fight with, but he still prefers the innocent, smaller, person, women, children. For these types of people a restraining order just sets them off. Throwing oil on the fire.

Still... the report is done. Either way, I would think and hope the child protective services had already documented. Things like this generally work themselves out in your favor. Protection comes from all directions. Everyone is made aware. Doesn't mean you shouldn't be cautious, observant, and a bit prepared. But he's in enough poop. He really shouldn't want to dig himself any deeper. And yet it almost makes me laugh, cause these people do every time. I would love to say come to my house, he'll have to get through me, I have something special for him.

Even looking at the reading, it looks fine. Be proud of your good deed and bravery, that you turned out a great guy. Enjoy yourself, you have assistance already. Don't stress. I'll send prayers and wishes for you too.

 

[goddessliss]

Hi Moss Elk, Oh god another dickhead in the World messing up people lives, I'm sorry the girl and you have to deal with such a horrible situation.

Hex 5 - Keep calm in situations you're unsure of the outcome.

Line 1 - Don't allow threats to eat away at your heart and mind do what you gotta do to keep things in control.
I think this is saying let the authorities know even if they can't do anything about it and keep a record of it. I remember one of my boys getting bullied by older kids and I said 'Let's keep a diary of what happens' straight away he felt empowered again and it stopped. All I'm saying here is if you tell them and something else happens then at least they have a record and so do you.

Line 3 - I feel like this is a repeat of line 1 in terms of not letting it get to you, don't let this be the be all and end all of your thoughts. Easier said than done I'd imagine.

Line 5 - This sounds to me like it may well continue for a while, his carrying on, but eventually he will be taken away by authorities.

Please, please keep us updated with things as you go along. Life's hard enough without dickheads like this. - Liss

 

[Trojina]

Actually now the situation has worked out I'm seeing this reading as reassurance, given actually Yi knew you would report the threat.

5.1.3.6>59 As lines 1 and 6 move I see the 59 as governing the cast. Dispersing...I don't think there's anything for you to worry about here

 

[sooo]

Hi Moss,

Since the reading occurred after you already took action, I read it as to not anchor down or worry too much, but to stay fluid, agile and light, in your state of mind, also non-antagonistic if confronted. You don't owe him an explanation nor even a conversation, so don't bog yourself in his threats. Walk softly and carry a big stick. A 45acp is even better. But avoid bravado or fear with this thug. Better to not escalate if possible, however if his threats turn out to be more than words, well.. self defense is a right, and I'd make sure his threats on your life are a matter of record. Waiting isn't doing nothing, it's actually a state of readiness to act as the time demands. There's more than one way to dissolve the hardness of ice.

 

[moss elk]

Update:
The situation blew over without further escalation.

While the man in question is certainly a criminal and lousy person,
He is more talk than action. (Mostly a coward and bully, like all men who beat and threaten their families.)

The first attempts at getting help for the girl
connected me with an incompetant social worker who
did not investigate as fully as should have been done.
Part of this is due to the same phenomenon that happens when you go to a doctor and they pay attention to the first or second thing you say and tune out all the rest. She heard 'violence toward the girl' and tuned out the heroin addiction in the home and other things.

So a year later, another call was made to social services and the heroin addiction by the step mother was stressed.
Social services immediately started drug testing and the step mother has been heroin free for six months now, thanks to weekly home visits and drug testing.
There has been improvement in the lives of the children,
they now are allowed to visit their grandmother.