5.2.3>3 what next?

[kestrelw1ngs]

Hello again,

My last post did not get any answers. In retrospect I see in it unchecked anxiety that has sort of been an answer in itself for my romantic situation. It is a good time to let go of all the need to control and know, and maybe study the yi a bit outside ego concerns.

As much healing and slow regaining of confidence as the past few months have brought, my unfinished business and lack of direction is a constant nagging companion. Not only that, I keep losing very important and expensive items: my wallet, a ring, my art tablet. When I ask Yi for help in finding them, no positive answers and lots of 55 with various lines. It does feel like a subconscious complex. I cannot even afford to emotionally react anymore and have adopted a "que sera sera" attitude despite knowing that it carries an avoidance of responsibility. Losing these things has consequences.

Today at work our manager (who is a very scattered, childlike and irresponsible, if funny and lovable,, person who frustrates everyone around him and overshares his personal life) remarked that i was just like him, as a joke. My coworker and I after he left remarked "he doesn't know how much of an insult that is."

Well, but it is true I see myself in the future in him if I do not change and find my center...

The small steps I am taking towards stability are good. But every day that goes by gets heavier with the weight of fighting to belong, to connect, to be somewhere and fit where my inner nature does not fit in. I have been accepting relationships, friends, housing that are Okay, a bad fit but something rather than nothing. And I want to live fully with my heart AND head. To become more real.
Many many plans for moving have fallen through this year due to people choosing themselves or elements beyond my control, in retrospect none of them felt quite right anyways.

So I asked Yi
"What direction now, if any?"

5.2.3>3

5.2 feels very apt, hanging out, having a bit of fun gossiping and goofing around with current friends, being sort of involved in peoples lives

5.3 stuck in mud (negativity)

So to get to the 3, difficult beginnings...what is Yi saying? That this is just where I am for now?

Is there a question I could ask instead for more clarity?

Tolerating this uncomfortable place in life would feel much better if there were some change to look forward to. Maybe I am not understanding something about how life is. But before this hex 46 was coming up fairly often. So there is advancement happening.

5 feels like, come up with something to do to pass the time...

Your thoughts are most appreciated!

 

[Liselle]

Kestrel, , please don't assume lack of responses is a reflection on you. I can understand why you'd think that, but it might just mean there were a lot of threads and yours fell through the cracks, unfortunately.

I'll try to see if I can summon any ideas about this one (and/or maybe that one) over the next day or so (though heaven knows ideas are never guaranteed ), and maybe other people will be along.

 

[squirrele]

Hi Kestrel
My thoughts on 5.2.3 - 3.

5.2 instead of taking any action with regards to the difficult situation you are facing (hex 3), possibly use some time now with some sort of creativity to relax in the company of good friends. I had a couple of girlfriends sit around with me learning how to crochet off a youtube video once. It was fun and a lot of laughing at ourselves with our small project we created. I agree with your interpretation.

5.3 I think is talking about removing yourself from either people or a situation that are/is not good for you or make you uncomfortable, bring you down. Perhaps if you can't remove yourself physically, more in a mental sense of mind; by not paying much attention to silly things people say and do, its their own insecurities coming out.

46 - find strength within yourself, a step at a time, you don't need anyone's approval or confirmation, just your own. By doing little things you love, that make you smile.

As for line 55 and its various lines, every time I cast it for a situation of my own, I do find myself scattered and anxious, I close myself off. Don't isolate yourself, let your soul shine so that others can see your brightness and smile also.


Hope all goes well. hugs.

 

[breakmov]

hello kestrelw1ngs

So I asked Yi
"What direction now, if any?"

5.2.3>3

Bradford Hatcher:

05.X, Overall Image
The clouds rise into the sky Anticipation The noble young one, accordingly,
Takes refreshment and sustenance With peace of mind and cheer

05.0, Anticipation
Be true
Honor fulfillment
Persistence is timely
Worthwhile to cross the great stream

05.2, 9 2nd, Zhi Gua 63: Ji Ji, Already Complete (Fan Yao 63.2: matron loses veil, do not pursue, 7 days to gain)

Waiting on the sand The small will talk In the end promising
05.2x Waiting on the sand: Abundance lies in the middle
* Even though the small will talk Consider the promising outcome

05.3, 9 3rd, Zhi Gua 60: Jie, Boundaries (Fan Yao 60.3: such a lack of restraint, and so, such lament)

Waiting in mud Inviting predators to approach
05.3x Waiting in mud: Misfortune waits beyond
* Of our own accord to invite predators: Attention (and) mindfulness avoid ruin

an opinion in a figurative sense:

5.2.3>3

"What am I waiting for in this devotion to emerge from this difficult beginning?
-A clear sign of progress and expansion that could unexpectedly appear as a result of this beginning, but which is taking some time to appear "

5.2:
"Waiting on the sand, cast your net into the sea, although not everything that can come into the net is fish"
.... A good fish, worth catching, takes time, patience and determination, the casting of the net is an ascending step

5.3:
In the attempt to catch your dream fish you work continuously, casting your net in all the places that appear to you, even the strangest ones, which shows the openness and dedication to your objective. But beware that this constant activity leads you to confuse the objective for which you are really waiting.
It is not necessary to throw the net into "swamps and mudflats" and wait for your dream fish to come out. It would be diverting or stealing your strength and hope from the progress you want so much from this difficult beginning.

breakmov

 

[kestrelw1ngs]

Kestrel, , please don't assume lack of responses is a reflection on you. I can understand why you'd think that, but it might just mean there were a lot of threads and yours fell through the cracks, unfortunately.

I'll try to see if I can summon any ideas about this one (and/or maybe that one) over the next day or so (though heaven knows ideas are never guaranteed ), and maybe other people will be along.

Thank you Liselle I am not taking it personally so much as noting that when I share readings with a LOT of questions and different castings it is coming from a place of anxiety, and can be overwhelming for interpretation (for myself too or else why would I post!)

 

[Liselle]

Well, true. When I see a thread like that my poor brain usually does short-circuit.

I suppose a reasonable alternative would be to start by just working on the first reading. Maybe if discussion helps with that one the rest will sort of become moot. Could be sometimes people feel guilty about not answering everything, and handle that by answering nothing. Understandable, but it probably doesn't have to be that way.

(When I cast a lot of readings it's also from anxiety. I understand how this happens. )

 

[kestrelw1ngs]

Thank you all for your kindness. I will be back later to respond to your interpretations

 

[kestrelw1ngs]

Well, true. When I see a thread like that my poor brain usually does short-circuit.

I suppose a reasonable alternative would be to start by just working on the first reading. Maybe if discussion helps with that one the rest will sort of become moot. Could be sometimes people feel guilty about not answering everything, and handle that by answering nothing. Understandable, but it probably doesn't have to be that way.

(When I cast a lot of readings it's also from anxiety. I understand how this happens. )

Oh yes very true! I notice that in text conversation as well. Long messages or a lot of thoughts can lead to avoidance even though in fairness its okay to just respond to whatever stands out.

 

[rosada]

I think of 5.3 as getting Stuck in Waiting:
5.2 While waiting for dinner to cook you pass the time gossiping with friends.
5.3 You lose track of time and...
5.4 OMG, dinner is about to burn!!!

 

[Liselle]

Unfortunately Yi might be saying this is just where you are for now. But more optimistically, it's where you are for now. You asked "what next?," and Yi usually answers pretty directly. A sprout (hexagram 3) doesn't stay a sprout forever.

5.2 strikes me as acknowledgement - Yi hears you. It knows how you feel, that you can't get your footing in the sand you're in, much less any traction.

5.3 seems like something not to do - try your best just not to get bogged down and stuck. (Easy to say, of course.)

I agree with Squirrele about trying to relax and finding more pleasant ways to wait. That goes along with 5's Image (stealing Trojina's trick of substituting your name):

'The clouds are above heaven. Waiting.
Kestrelw1ngs eats, drinks and relaxes with music.'

At the risk of a cliche, maybe think about how to be the very best waiting-sprout you can possibly be. Maybe really think about that, try to come up with an idea a week or something. 5's mindset isn't really the dogged surviving of bad conditions, it's more keeping up hope and confidence and making waiting a better experience than it seems.

 

[kestrelw1ngs]

hello kestrelw1ngs




Bradford Hatcher:




an opinion in a figurative sense:

5.2.3>3

"What am I waiting for in this devotion to emerge from this difficult beginning?
-A clear sign of progress and expansion that could unexpectedly appear as a result of this beginning, but which is taking some time to appear "

5.2:
"Waiting on the sand, cast your net into the sea, although not everything that can come into the net is fish"
.... A good fish, worth catching, takes time, patience and determination, the casting of the net is an ascending step

5.3:
In the attempt to catch your dream fish you work continuously, casting your net in all the places that appear to you, even the strangest ones, which shows the openness and dedication to your objective. But beware that this constant activity leads you to confuse the objective for which you are really waiting.
It is not necessary to throw the net into "swamps and mudflats" and wait for your dream fish to come out. It would be diverting or stealing your strength and hope from the progress you want so much from this difficult beginning.

breakmov

Figurative interpretation, beautiful, thank you.

Hmm, I wonder if my struggles come down to not knowing where is a swamp/mudflat and giving away strength to lost causes just for something to do.

Casting the net, pulling up trash but one man's trash is another man's treasure...still a cool old bottle is not a fish and I'm hungry! When do I move on to the big open sea and try my net there? Well when a boat appears looking for a crew member perhaps.

I asked Yi "what can I do to come out of this place of stuckness?"

62.4>15

Being realistic, not shooting for the stars. Letting things be dull, maybe eating the muddy tasting fish from the swamp, for now. A hard pill for this perfectionist to swallow. It sounds like survival mode. Which I am very tired of.

 

[marybluesky]

"What direction now, if any?" 5.2.3>3

Wait for something to start, or before starting it yourself. Also, beware of elements that may rob something out of you (energy, trust, money... anything).

Many 55s maybe refer you to the hexagram's description and message: There are many things to do, don't mourn (although you have reason for it), make a little sacrifice and move.

 

[breakmov]

kestrelw1ngs said:​

Hmm, I wonder if my struggles come down to not knowing where is a swamp/mudflat and giving away strength to lost causes just for something to do.

I left the other message figuratively in the hope of a "click" and somehow that could inspire something in your interpretation, if possible. I know it's a risky option, but when there's a "click" it's worth it.



To be clearer, I'll try to leave a more direct interpretation option, using as context some lines that you left, and that always seemed revealing to me:

( but first a correction..... where you see "something referring to you" try to read "something referring to a situation common to both")

kestrelw1ngs said:​

Today at work our manager (who is a very scattered, childlike and irresponsible, if funny and lovable,, person who frustrates everyone around him and overshares his personal life) remarked that i was just like him, as a joke. My coworker and I after he left remarked "he doesn't know how much of an insult that is."

Well, but it is true I see myself in the future in him if I do not change and find my center...

In this quote I see a good context for this reading

...I imagine you want a more harmonious relationship between you and the manager but everything is stagnant and that's why I see you with "a waiting attitude, with a possible latent conflict lurking" and where you are "waiting" for how to improve this working relationship, but with difficulty in starting something.

05.2x Waiting on the sand: Abundance lies in the middle
* Even though the small will talk
Consider the promising outcome
(Bradford Hatcher)

5.2:
I imagine you thinking:
"" you are ambivalent, what to do? what is acceptable in this working relationship... and what is not? a strictly professional, austere relationship with no room for more?...or something looser that promotes a good atmosphere and a more balanced relationship? how to find a middle ground where the personality of each one can happen without destabilizing the work space....you are stuck in this sandy terrain with little support. ""

- but this initiative to understand what is reasonable, something more balanced, despite the lack of certainty about what to expect, is already a good first step towards ascending to something more promising.
- maybe if you could "enlarge the mesh of your net", in this fishing, in order to "catch and keep the fish that matters in the middle of the net", and let "everything that is small and that doesn't matter" out of it, maybe it would be a promising step to ascend from this initial difficulty.

05.3x Waiting in mute: Misfortune waits beyond
* Of our own accord to invite predators:
Attention (and) mindfulness avoid ruin
(Bradford Hatcher)

5.3:
I imagine you thinking:

"" Is a more balanced relationship really that difficult? Isn't something better possible, even if it were through less formal paths? You keep remembering and brooding over this accumulation of unworthy situations. you expected something better from this constant fishing activity but you didn't see the result. You don't know where to cast your fishing net and you're trying now, without knowing it, in this swamp of undignified situations, remains of decomposing situations from the past, without great faith but perhaps looking for a possible fish that stayed there unseen... .who knows, in the middle of this swampy path that leads nowhere, if there isn't a fish hiding there? (you already know that it isn't) ""

-all this leaves you exhausted, without hope, without rules to understand a better relationship....all these predators feed on this increasingly painful relationship.

-is it possible, even informally, to have a sincere conversation with the manager about this swampy situation and how it is affecting the possibility of something better?

-Is it possible to define what may belong to this relationship and seek to accept the result of this?

... maybe it is possible that this is linked to an unexpected move that could prosper to a progress in the relationship, leaving the initial difficulty behind.

I asked Yi "what can I do to come out of this place of stuckness?"
62.4 > 15

62.4xDo not be beyond greeting others (in passing)
The position is not appropriate
* Difficult progress demands heedfulness:
In the end there is nothing friendly to longevity
(Bradford Hatcher)

62.4>15
I imagine you thinking:
""
-will it be possible to have as broad and solid base as possible, in order to be able to frame what is more or what is less, and act accordingly in this rediness to accommodate the small details of a truer relationship? ""


breakmov

 

[kestrelw1ngs]

Well the manager is not very important to me, or the situation, actually, its every other thing in life. I am not invested in my job,, its simply a way to make money and begin recovery process out of the marsh of mental illness..
He's simply a character foil, reflecting back traits I want to disown in myself because I see how all others are reacting. When in reality, I see like me he may have undiagnosed ADHD or some kind of developmental delay/trauma, as he has a childlike attitude the second you stand up to him being dismissive. And if I were the boss I would not let him have so many responsibilities and limit his domain to what he is good at, and give a different coworker a raise to do the other things. This would establish more harmony.

However my level of investment and commitment in this place is low, I do not believe they would listen to me based on my experiences thus far. Or rather I don't have the energy to present myself in a way that would establish my authority there. My life is extremely transitional right now, and I have avoided leaving a draining codependent living situation for too long. Due to emotional attachment and fear.

Now it feels like either I give up on my hearts path entirely or some kind of miracle has to happen.

Today mental stress reached a crescendo, I saw the people who have been approaching me with romantic interest pull away as I display signs of trauma and mental distress (I am on the autism spectrum and have quite the cluster of conditions, every day is a battle with feeling misunderstood or like my natural true self is unacceptable). My boundaries basically do not exist. And everything melted down....

I think the 5.3 dinner on fire has been myself/neglected needs and responsibilities. The 5.2 is these friends who I still do not feel close enough to truly turn to. Sort of a surface level job, friendship, everything.

The cards have been warning me of this impending collapse urgently but you know how it can be to not want to see the signs. It comes down to a desire to be other than my Self, to live a life that does not feed me.

Sort of the ignore 27 and what you're feeding Self, you get to hex 28. Too Much.

I asked Yi just to comment on this "breakdown"
10.1.3.4.5.6>46

When getting 5 changing lines, if im not mistaken, its best to read the one left out?

10.2 is about detachment and living ones own life.

10 and 46 feel like, being in an unsafe environment where one has to mind ps & qs, to advancement, out into the open world.

My mind has a running tape that I won't live for much longer if I can't escape this entire place and situation.

It simply isn't clear the path out...I have been procrastinating (5.2) my own soul path.

 

[kestrelw1ngs]

I do believe a work meeting will help with manager but honestly do not care so much. I am praying again. Just a simple prayer, to show me the way out. Even if it means setting fire to the inn, etc as in 56

 

[kestrelw1ngs]

"What direction now, if any?" 5.2.3>3

Wait for something to start, or before starting it yourself. Also, beware of elements that may rob something out of you (energy, trust, money... anything).

Many 55s maybe refer you to the hexagram's description and message: There are many things to do, don't mourn (although you have reason for it), make a little sacrifice and move.

Make a little sacrifice, as in give up on some things, and move as in actually move locations?

 

[breakmov]

It was not my intention to make you so apprehensive, when the advisable, more correct path to take is first to keep in mind the image and judgment of hex 5.

..notice, it is necessary to understand what each line implies and what the two (2 and 3) together convey and this can only be achieved by doing a "zoom in", an enlarged microscope image, on the ingredients present.. .but in the end you have to "zoom out", restore and reframe this information in the general sense (image and judgment) of the hexagrams

kestrelw1ngs said:​

I asked Yi just to comment on this "breakdown"
10.1.3.4.5.6>46

When getting 5 changing lines, if im not mistaken, its best to read the one left out?

this idea is used to escape the number of lines that have changed... and it can't even be said that it's identical to reading that line and imagining "this is what's not happening!"
... maybe it will help as a quick shortcut, but one thing is to imagine what the line is not, and another thing is to take into account all the development and growth in terms of discipline, necessarily uncertain, of the "lonely man", which led to the culmination (line 2 to change) in the text of that line.

I don't know if it helps, but behind this "breakdown" there is a whole structure that leads to this:


10.1.3.4.5.6 >46

" how to carefully walk a path, with like-minded people, with a common goal, making your personal strengths grow, with simplicity and personal integrity. "

- which indirectly implies how to let "personal strengths" grow in order to make a careful progress that helps each one of the like-minded people to occupy their place and function for the common good

- which indirectly implies how to let a relief grow on a higher purpose plan with a well-defined and functional structure where everyone knows their place and function, in this common objective.

...can i leave a suggestion...

instead of going ahead with more readings, why not focus all attention on the study of hex 5 and what each of the lines really implies in the context of the image and judgment?
...maybe it would be a first step towards realizing what is acceptable to attribute to each one of the lines and in which molds many of the assignments that are written in the forum make sense.

breakmov

 

[kestrelw1ngs]

It was not my intention to make you so apprehensive, when the advisable, more correct path to take is first to keep in mind the image and judgment of hex 5.

Of course. It was not your message that led to apprehension, but my mental state at the time of replying.

I don't know if it helps, but behind this "breakdown" there is a whole structure that leads to this:


10.1.3.4.5.6 >46

" how to carefully walk a path, with like-minded people, with a common goal, making your personal strengths grow, with simplicity and personal integrity. "

- which indirectly implies how to let "personal strengths" grow in order to make a careful progress that helps each one of the like-minded people to occupy their place and function for the common good

- which indirectly implies how to let a relief grow on a higher purpose plan with a well-defined and functional structure where everyone knows their place and function, in this common objective.

Thank you, this is quite clear.
In the aftermath of the "breakdown" (which I now understand as a Tower card moment clearing an old/outdated ego formation structured around fear that was constraining relation to Self...I ended up grounding, connecting to a deeper sense of self affirmation, afterwards), I did do several more readings.
Yi gave 10.1>6, 25. 1>12, and 46.5>48

46.5 "Advancing step by step. By persevering things will go well." mirrored 10.1
"Simply treading ahead.
Without fault."

Which I thought quite kind. Sometimes engaging with the Yi, I feel the message it is giving is so layered and subtle it simply adds to frustation/obsession. And usually in those moments, when I am giving up, it 'has mercy' and offers a simpler answer.

A day earlier my support worker who is assisting in my move reminded me when everything is so overwhelming, one only needs to take a single step at a time and see what intuition says. That's about the same message from these lines.

...can i leave a suggestion...

instead of going ahead with more readings, why not focus all attention on the study of hex 5 and what each of the lines really implies in the context of the image and judgment?
...maybe it would be a first step towards realizing what is acceptable to attribute to each one of the lines and in which molds many of the assignments that are written in the forum make sense.

breakmov

Yes, I am pausing readings for now and sitting with the ones already recorded.

In particular, the 5.2.3 is making much more sense.
I am noticing when "gossiping with friends by the river" (procrastinating/avoidance of the work needed to go step by step to a better situation) results in negativity and despair (5.3) in the face of the difficult restart (3).

The food may have burnt but now we are putting a timer on the oven.
Thank you breakmov!