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5.3.4.6-41 shadow energy

I experienced a theft - of quite a lot given I don't have much.

I generally see life as being created/drawn in by my energies.
I asked why did this happen to me? I got 5.3.4.6-41
I think this just described the events..eating/drinking..uninvited guests..

But I want to know about my energy..why why why? What was it about me? 55.4-36
I try to get ahead and then just as I am..boom..a big loss..

9 at 4: Feng was so obscured at noon the Dipper was seen. Meeting the lord of Yi. Auspicious.
Sometimes times or moods are so gloomy that nothing seems to be possible. Meet your enemy! He might be the one you need. Sometimes the very things which hold us back contain the energy which can help us to gather the strength to go on.

This line suggests projection and the ability to recognize the Shadow. What we experience is always a reflection of our beliefs. Allowing others to teach you about what you do not recognize within leads to good fortune.

4.The obstruction of others is lessening. Now let the one with energy and enthusiasm meet the one with ideas and wisdom. Joy in good fortune.

So this has got to be shadow energy.. disempowerment, being preyed upon, victim, vulnerable, being identified as a target..Survival/money.. Root chakra

I also asked under the philosophy that 'everything happens for a higher reason' and the good will become apparent later. What good will come of this? I got 27.5.6-21 which seems good.

So I'm interested in loss and the shadow
And interested in the difference between debilitating loss and clearing loss.
 
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I experienced a theft - of quite a lot given I don't have much.

I generally see life as being created/drawn in by my energies.
I asked why did this happen to me? I got 5.3.4.6-41
I think this just described the events..eating/drinking..uninvited guests..

But I want to know about my energy..why why why? What was it about me? 55.4-36
I try to get ahead and then just as I am..boom..a big loss..


I am sorry you have been burgled. I am also sorry you should fall prey to this evil belief of blaming yourself for being burgled. The worse of new age moralising is IMO very harmful. Do you think the little children who died crossing the ocean as refugees drowned because of their 'energies' ? Do you really think every single victim of crime made it happen to them ? Do you think those living in poorer parts of the world who have no food or drink actually made it happen to them because of their energies ? Do you think richer countries of the west somehow have better energies ? Do you look at every victim and crime or abuse and ask yourself 'oh why did it happen to them they must have done something wrong ?'...I urge you not to go down this line of thinking.

There are thieves in the world and they steal. On average most people are burgled I think at least once in their life. Yes it is a big loss. I hope you are insured ? That's your priority now, getting your insurance claim in not wondering why it happened to you.

Why wouldn't it happen to you ? It can happen to anyone, we are all part of the same world. Your answer is clear to me. Do not sit waiting and self blaming as in 5.3 and 5.4...you have suffered loss (41) so get moving. get on the phone to your insurers. 5.6 might possibly show hidden blessing in the situation as in perhaps some items needed replacing maybe for emotional reasons ? I don't know but I don't see you sitting alone with this, I think you need to reach out and accept any help that comes (5.6)
 

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This line suggests projection and the ability to recognize the Shadow. What we experience is always a reflection of our beliefs. Allowing others to teach you about what you do not recognize within leads to good fortune.

4.The obstruction of others is lessening. Now let the one with energy and enthusiasm meet the one with ideas and wisdom. Joy in good fortune.

and you said
So this has got to be shadow energy.. disempowerment, being preyed upon, victim, vulnerable, being identified as a target..Survival/money.. Root chakra


Where did you quote from ? Who's commentary is it ? It looks like sheer nonsense with not a lot to do with 5.4 at all which mentions no shadow or projection. So what you have done is hang on the word of a commentary which has nothing to do with the IC.

What does 5.4 actually say in the I Ching. From Hilary's translation

'Waiting in blood.
Come out of the pit'.


That is what Yi says. This is precisely what you are doing. You are held in fearful thoughts of self blame fostered by the right wing pseudo spiritual new age propaganda. Quick, jump out of it....move don't sit there thinking about rubbish commentaries that speak of 'shadows' and wotnot....This is not your fault keep moving...shake it off.....sing in the car.....you have been burgled, this is bad fortune but it is not your fault or anything to do with your 'energies'



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Thanks so much for your reply Trojina.

On one hand I could not agree with you more! I am a recovering victim of said New Age books that encourage self-blame (and oh buy another book because you mustn't be taking enough responsibility if your life isn't hunky dory yet..)

But let me add some context.
The reason I give my plaintive cry of 'why me' - is that I have so many experiences of theft it goes way beyond the law of averages, add to that several boyfriends who stole money from me and many other experiences of being used and preyed upon.
You know when something keeps happening to you, a pattern that is so strong, so repetitive, you start to look at the common factor and find yourself.

I get very angry at the new age 'take responsibility' for your experiences - however I also see there is a pattern that needs healing.'

Let me see where I got that quote.

While I'm looking, out of interest, and to understand your position, do you value concepts of the subconscious, of repression, the concept of the shadow a la Jung?
 
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You know when something keeps happening to you, a pattern that is so strong, so repetitive, you start to look at the common factor and find yourself.

Ah, I see, apologies for my mega rant there. It looks an interesting answer from Yi yet when I draw the answer 5.3.4.6 changes to 10 not 41 ? Do we have the right lines ?

Oh and while I'm waiting to see what the cast is, (currently with these lines it still looks to me like you need to shake stuff off much quicker...I mean like with boyfriends you have warning signals but don't act on them) I will try to answer this below
 

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While I'm looking, out of interest, and to understand your position, do you value concepts of the subconscious, of repression, the concept of the shadow a la Jung?

Yes I recognise these concepts though I think Freud founded the idea of the subconscious and all the defence mechanisms such as repression, projection, and so on. I guess Jung and Freud were around the same time with Jung departing from Freud's emphasis on sexuality as more or less the foundation of human psychological development As for the shadow, no I don't think I 'believe' in it. I don't know if Freud used the idea. I don't believe in the idea of the anima/animus at all which I think is a Jungian idea.

When Yi commentators attach their own philosophies and ideas to the lines and so on, well it can be quite interesting but they can end up a million miles from what Yi says. For example in 5.4...'blood get out of the pit' is basically saying 'don't wait somewhere dark and fearful' which could apply literally or in all kinds of ways so if we just limit it to the concept of 'shadow' the meaning might be missed.


However as you said this is an on going issue for you I can see why you would approach from a more psychological angle.
 
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I am sure Trojina has answered your query well but when I first read your casting something sprang to mind - not necessarily totally to do with the casting but linked...

I agree that patterns of incidence happen. Like my friend who keeps pranging her car and being pranged :) by others 15x in the past 3 years. Just scrapes nothing that causes human injury. Is this to do with her driving skill or todo with the energy that she creates each time she sits at te wheel of her now dented car??

My first thoughts with your theft were that you knew the people
Causing the theft - not just look-out thieves or burgers. If this is so then yes you could be putting yourself in certain vulnerable situations. If it is not and they are stealing then get better locks hide your valuables be more aware. Like my friend who has now been told to go on an advanced driving course - maybe something is needed on a practical level to prevent future incidents

I had this casting once when I had a very dodgy lodger - I knew she would be a problem and she was. The problems she caused me were immense but it was me who should have stopped her coming in the first place.

I having a bout of repeating pattern thoughts at the moment so apologies if I have gone off at a tangent. I just think when something keeps happening we are either missing some important message or we need to find a physical practical solution to the problem

Ask perhaps what the repeating pattern means - I find this helpful too
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5.3.4.6>10 has such a different feel to me than 5.3.5.6>41 so I'm wondering which you got ?
 

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Thank you Butrerfly Spider. As a part of my pattern, plenty of people close to me (boyfriends) have stolen from me. In this case the thieves were strangers, professional thieves.

To explain a bit more my relationship to the question..

'I who should have stopped her coming in the first place' - but that's the very problem..

For some reason my 'radar' is damaged and while I'm very perceptive in other areas, I am particularly vulnerable here. So for the average person, yes 'be aware' is good advice. But for people with such deep
patterns as I, such advice is of no use. It's like telling someone with no legs they would travel quicker if they would just run (or a much better analogy of your choosing). What happens to me is I tend to be 'picked out from the crowd' it's like I'm transmitting a signal

And this brings me back to my cast, I guess what I was feeling at the time was deep deep frustration of 'why this pattern?' 'When will it end?' I have done a lot of work on myself to heal, I'm pretty broke as a result and to have this experience is like a kick in the teeth.
 

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I experienced a theft - of quite a lot given I don't have much.

I generally see life as being created/drawn in by my energies.
I asked why did this happen to me? I got 5.3.4.6-41
I think this just described the events..eating/drinking..uninvited guests..


Ok found it, it was 5.3.5.6-41


I find 'why ?' questions not so helpful ones because whys can be so complex. It sounded here like you are just asking about this burglary but you were asking about a pattern of being stolen from. If I take this as asking the precise question you put and look at the answer like it was a sentence it might read as 'waiting to be decreased'/or 'decreasing waiting'. The first 'waiting to be decreased' might suggest that you expect to be decreased hence invite your experience. Whilst this theory of we attract what we expect might at times have some truth it also is somewhat trite and annoying....so let me try to avoid rant mode :mischief: This brings me to the second sentence we can make which was 'decreasing waiting' and this feels more true to me as well as being in accordance with what the lines say. Don't spend time on dwelling on the reason for this particular burglary, do go on as normal as much as possible (5.5) and do accept odd or unusual offers of help that will come (5.6) But I can hardly ignore 5.3 which is so literal here. From Hilary's translation


'waiting in the bog invites the arrival of robbers'

Even though I do not think you should take the burglary as having anything to do with you I cannot ignore that line either. Waiting in the bog is like being immobilised, stuck in mud, so that you become vulnerable to people who would rob you. This line can also indicate waiting and not acting can make you vulnerable to your own despairing negative thoughts.

All I can say here is whatever you do please do not get bogged down by anything, including this burglary. If we take it literally, absolutely literally, then it would appear because you appear exposed and vulnerable then burglars come. First what are the practicalities here ? I was once burgled when I could already see I had windows on the ground floor that anyone could get through. When I spoke about it people said I was worrying unnecessarily and made out I had nothing worth taking :rolleyes: Well it was worth worrying about because I was burgled due to those windows and it's not a nice experience. However I did get refunded for losses by the insurance company although some things can never be replaced such as family heirlooms and so on. I'm saying this because I should have insisted on getting better locks for my downstairs windows. It's that simple.

I think Butterfly had some good points that it is worth looking at the practicalities

But I want to know about my energy..why why why? What was it about me? 55.4-36
I try to get ahead and then just as I am..boom..a big loss..

It may be you need to embrace certain ways of thinking you don't naturally (the dark lord is that which we wouldn't usually see as a helper). If you aren't normally very practical become so. Have an assessment for your home by a safety/security officer. Doing that shows you taking your own safety seriously.


I also asked under the philosophy that 'everything happens for a higher reason' and the good will become apparent later. What good will come of this? I got 27.5.6-21 which seems good.


I think you may need to penetrate (21) to really considering better ways to self care (27) ? The ynag pattern here is 20, looking, the yin pattern is 34, great strength , standing your ground. Look to see how you can nourish yourself to the point where you can stand your ground. Problem is the reading started off like it was just about this burglary but then it's about other thefts too as part of a pattern, as you say


What happens to me is I tend to be 'picked out from the crowd' it's like I'm transmitting a signal

And this brings me back to my cast, I guess what I was feeling at the time was deep deep frustration of 'why this pattern?' 'When will it end?' I have done a lot of work on myself to heal, I'm pretty broke as a result and to have this experience is like a kick in the teeth.


It's hard for me to see it as a pattern from an external POV but if you say boyfriends have stolen from you too I guess you might see it as a pattern.

The 5.3 made me think you weren't aware enough, needed to move quicker, need to simply be more self protective....but I am trying to answer a question I cannot answer. I personally would want to discourage you from seeing this as a psychological pattern and steer you to more helpful self protective habits. Good habits of thinking are very useful when our antennae aren't always on top form or when in fact the best antennae in the world won't help. Delving into psychology of being stolen from is a big vague inpenetrable area so rather than tackle the darkness of it's causes maybe bring light to it by perhaps developing good habits of thinking about safety and so on ?
 

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Oh I realise my answer may be annoying, as in it's not what you are trying to understand, but I've not got much else to offer but I am pretty clear that the 5.3.5.6>41 urges you straight to recovery from this. In other words my sense is Yi is not sitting you down and saying 'now Lodestar why does this keep happening to you'....rather you are getting some comfort, as in line 5, don't forget to eat something nice and relax and also a prediction of a kind I think in 5.6. 5.6 is very much 'every cloud has a silver lining ' line. Look carefully at any offers of help that come up around this theft. Also take it easy, this is a horrible thing to happen to you and we all want you to bounce back as good as new, which you will :hug:
 

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I'm also so sorry this is happening to you. :( In addition to the losses themselves, it must be very frightening.

This isn't from the readings at all, but about your questions about "energies" and so forth.

I agree with what Trojina and Butterfly said - I very much share dislike of new age nonsense and especially the way it's packaged and sold to people ("these things wouldn't happen if you were a better person" or whatever) - but would like to add that I think there might still be a little bit of truth in what you're saying about "energies." (A little bit.)

Do you have an accurate astrology chart for yourself? That might be a good place to find an explanation. I think astrology might be a clearer place to look for something like this than the I Ching. For example, if Neptune or Pisces is somehow connected to your possessions, it could mean you're prone to deception in that area. (That's just an example. There could be a lot of possible indicators.)

So it's kind of a "yes, but" thing. Yes, you might have "energies" which pre-dispose you to being stolen from, much like some people have energies that pre-dispose them to being married many times, or to being a nurse or whatever. BUT, that doesn't mean there are necessarily things you could have / should have done about it. For example, you can't just never date anyone because "your chart says your boyfriends will steal from you" (which, it doesn't exactly say any such thing in plain English, anyway).

I think this is really good advice from Trojina:

I personally would want to discourage you from seeing this as a psychological pattern and steer you to more helpful self protective habits. Good habits of thinking are very useful when our antennae aren't always on top form or when in fact the best antennae in the world won't help.

Taking reasonable, common-sense precautions is really all anyone can do, right? It might not hurt to ask Yi for advice along those lines. That might be the best way Yi can help, but even then there might not be any perfect solutions. It can be really really hard, and maybe impossible, to fight what we're naturally disposed to.

Example: someone talks way too much, about trivia, to everyone around her, and therefore harms her relationships. She may be aware of it. Yi might warn her about it. That doesn't necessarily mean she can stop herself from doing it, at least not by pure dint of will. Sometimes energies can shift, though, through transits or whatnot. It might also be a combination, where someone's efforts put them in a position to take advantage of shifts. (Am kind of speculating here...)
 

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Hi, There
in my experience 5.3 i have found to be be one of the more literal lines , not that i think your reading is anything to do with patterns but the subject is interesting to me, i could not count the times when i have moved and a neighbour starts forcing his way into my life, like continually knocking on the door or when i have said to people , can you call me before coming around and they dont, its like this invisible sign that attracts these type of people, so i can see why you might be feeling that, i think allot of people on this forum are similar, i have been robbed or stolen from at least a few times from people in my outer circle.

I think i would have to agree with Trogina unless it was someone you know, but you seem sure its not then there is some sound advice

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Do you have an accurate astrology chart for yourself? That might be a good place to find an explanation. I think astrology might be a clearer place to look for something like this than the I Ching. For example, if Neptune or Pisces is somehow connected to your possessions, it could mean you're prone to deception in that area. (That's just an example. There could be a lot of possible indicators.)

Good idea. For example many transits can show increased vulnerability to certain kinds of experiences. Not in an utterly fatalistic way, there can be many ways to experience Neptune transits for example, but looking at one's chart and the transits can be helpful. I agree that astrology may be more helpful than Yi to these kinds of questions

So it's kind of a "yes, but" thing. Yes, you might have "energies" which pre-dispose you to being stolen from, much like some people have energies that pre-dispose them to being married many times, or to being a nurse or whatever. BUT, that doesn't mean there are necessarily things you could have / should have done about it. For example, you can't just never date anyone because "your chart says your boyfriends will steal from you" (which, it doesn't exactly say any such thing in plain English, anyway).

I can see astrologically one might have aspects which make one more vulnerable to deception. I don't think there is anything that would make one more in particular subject to being stolen from. I can also see an astrological chart might show fuzzier boundaries....to me it feels pretty Neptunian. For example Venus conjunct Neptune can make one capable of the most selfless kind of love and also make one quite unable to see past an idealisation of love for someone.





Taking reasonable, common-sense precautions is really all anyone can do, right? It might not hurt to ask Yi for advice along those lines. That might be the best way Yi can help, but even then there might not be any perfect solutions. It can be really really hard, and maybe impossible, to fight what we're naturally disposed to.

Yes. I find it impossible to discern any long term characteristics from these readings that would make Lodestar susceptible to theft, at best I'd be guessing, making stabs in the dark which doesn't really seem to do justice to what is apparently part of a long term issue. Also I wonder if this the best time for Lodestar to explore this. That is if the burglary has just happened then it's a traumatic event. Is the midst of trauma a good time to explore calmly whilst one is in the midst of intense despair over one's own patterns ?

But the thing is I know it is the very time we do think this way but we can over generalise. A minor example for example : take a really bad day where at the end of it you ask yourself "why does everyone think they can treat me like crap !?' But then the next day is better and you realise some of those people weren't treating you like crap you just caught them at the wrong time or something. So some of those times you thought people were treating you like crap they were actually acting in ways that had nothing to do with you...so the question you were going to ask Yi at the end of the bad day 'why do people always treat me like crap ?' no longer really applies. Maybe Lodestar has a pattern with boyfriends or others where they steal from her and so on but maybe that has no connection to the burglary that just happened. I mean logically it doesn't. Logically there can be no connection with friends and lovers who steal from her and theft from actual burglars. She is currently trying to make sense of it by connecting all these events with something about her....but the current burglary can't be.
Unless as I said Lodestar has very flimsy security and also has flimsy security in terms of boundaries with others or what she can see about others. As you can tell I have absolutely no idea and am now waffling.
 

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Oops crossed posts with Steve.

Which reminds me the time I was burgled was about 5 months after my partner's death. We'd moved into this rented property a year or so before which had poor security. I mean the windows downstairs may as well have been left open, they were just flimsy metal catches. Since I was living alone then I did keep thinking of these windows but as I say everyone seemed to think I was being paranoid. Hmm never listen to others go by your instinct ! I was burgled in the early evening whilst I was out at work.
Some time later I read somewhere, can't recall where, that bereaved people, I think specifically those who had lost their partners were more likely to be burgled in the 6 months following the death.

I can't see where they would get that data from because when the police come after burglary they don't file how long ago deaths happened to you. But this stuck in my mind. I wondered then if people sort of 'abandoned ' their homes following bereavement. I mean psychically abandon their homes because of course it was their home with that person. If that person is not there it can become nothing to you...or often people show less self care following bereavement. That is normally one is pretty possessive of one's home, well I am anyway. That sense can be weakened following bereavement I think. One cares less about the property, one is still mourning and so in a sense has 'left'. I noted a neighbour who had lost his wife about 5 months earlier had his front garden vandalised and I half linked that to this theory.

But although the theory stuck in my mind I don't especially believe it given it is not verifiable. I mean millions of people get burgled each day so some of them are bound to be bereaved people too.

Still thinking of 'energies' is there any way you might feel you have abandoned your home, no longer feel it's a home or care about it so much any more Lodestar ? I'm thinking normally we 'take possession' of our property or our home, we stamp our selves on it. If we are speaking of energies might there be times that sense of 'taking possession' weakens ? Might that aura of not taking possession signal that the place is available to rob ?

Not saying this is true just an idea to play with.


Oh and also if I had fully 'taken possession' of my windows at that point I would have got someone to make them more secure. But I let others tell me I didn't need to....so I was sort of abandoning self/home.


Having said all that burglary can happen to anyone anytime
 

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Not in an utterly fatalistic way, there can be many ways to experience Neptune transits for example, but looking at one's chart and the transits can be helpful.

I'm not very good with transits, so beyond mentioning that they can change things about a person or a person's life, or indicate timing in some way, I don't have much to say. But yes - I agree there are many ways to experience everything in astrology. I suppose someone who's a good astrologer might come up with more specifics - there's probably an ability to look at how everything ties together and be quite nuanced about it - but I can't begin to do anything like that.

Personally (because I'm not that good at it) I find astrology a very one-way street: made-up example, suppose someone's had several short-lived marriages, wants to know why this happens, and you look at their chart and see Gemini on the 7th house cusp with Mercury (ruler of Gemini) conjunct Uranus (disruptions etc.) somewhere. That's probably "why" (in a superficial sort of way).

But I (at least) couldn't look at that same chart, before anything happens, and say those placements will result in several marriages. It might be one of several possibiilities - others could be that the person's (one and only) spouse will be really smart, or good with technology, or will be someone with a zillion fleeting interests.

Not to mention, there are different ways "several short-lived marriages" could show up, besides the example I gave. But it's pretty sure to involve the 7th house somehow.

I can see astrologically one might have aspects which make one more vulnerable to deception. I don't think there is anything that would make one more in particular subject to being stolen from.

Deception, or a vulnerabilty to "crime" or "attacks" in general, depending...if someone has Mars in Taurus in some house, for example, it might indicate "attacks" (Mars) on your "possessions" (Taurus) in some form indicated by the house (11th house might mean your friends will steal from you; 3rd house might mean a sibling will, etc. 5th house might mean a boyfriend). But again, for me, I have half a chance of spotting this only when I know the problem I'm looking for.

I can also see an astrological chart might show fuzzier boundaries....to me it feels pretty Neptunian. For example Venus conjunct Neptune can make one capable of the most selfless kind of love and also make one quite unable to see past an idealisation of love for someone.

Yes, it could be either, or both, or something else entirely. Venus conjunct Neptune might be an indication of boyfriends stealing from you - might depend on house placement, or, say, Pluto or Mars squaring or opposing the conjunction. Or in a good case it might actually mean an ideal sort of love (some people are actually that lucky). Or someone who is just very loving and pleasing in general, or quite charitable.

Also I wonder if this the best time for Lodestar to explore this. That is if the burglary has just happened then it's a traumatic event. Is the midst of trauma a good time to explore calmly whilst one is in the midst of intense despair over one's own patterns ?
Great point. It might depend on Lodestar's abilty to get some sort of explanation and then let it sit without obsessing. Knowing "why" - and that it's not because she's living her life "wrong" or failing to do the proper new-age-prescribed-whatever-whatever - might be of some help? Or not.

Maybe Lodestar has a pattern with boyfriends or others where they steal from her and so on but maybe that has no connection to the burglary that just happened.

Also a good point. If it was just the one burglar-burglary, Lodestar would probably not be thinking about it quite the way she is.

Unless as I said Lodestar has very flimsy security and also has flimsy security in terms of boundaries with others or what she can see about others.

Yes, I think that's excellent advice. Lodestar could examine how the burglar got in, and see if there's something she can do about it. Maybe there is, but maybe there's not. We could all probably find ways we could be burgled, unless we've already battened down our homes like Fort Knox. It's a very, very scary thing. :eek: And frustrating, after it's already taken place. :hug:
 

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I think I managed to miss both of your posts, somehow (I think this is going beyond cross-posting to just plain :rolleyes: :freak: on my part)

I understand what Trojina is saying about "abandoning" or feeling disconnected from one's life. It can lead to all sorts of disintegration and decay in ways that would not normally happen to the person. I knew someone once whose children always looked like ragamuffins. I thought they were poor as dirt, but found out that wasn't at all true. The husband made good money, but his wife had died and he just had a lot of problems after that, apparently. It's sad.

Probably has nothing to do with Lodestart, though.
 

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