53.36 to 8 mutual feelings about a lodger

[butterfly spider]

My daughter and I are having similar dreams about a new lodger. So much so that we are now writing our thoughts and feelings about this person - they are so similar it is either telepathy between us or something else at play On the surface all is well just something seeping and lurking beneath the surface - difficult to verbalise. There must be something. The situation is complex so it is not just as easy as asking them too be out.

I want to feel generous of spirit and I have shown kindness to the lodger
But this nagging doubt is lingering and indeed is gnawing more as the days go by.

I asked should Take note of the feelings my daughter and I have about the lodger and got 53.36 to 8

Any insights would be useful

 

[moss elk]

If the hairs on the back of your neck stood up would you pay attention to it? (That's part of your intuition.)
Think of the dreams as the hairs on your hairs standing up.

Line 3 says to be wary of predators.
I don't know what line 6 is referencing here.
(Perhaps together they speak of a predatory attraction that has passed. But I'd be extra careful anyway.)

Mind sharing the essence of the dreams?

 

[butterfly spider]

Thank you for responding. It feels like a friend handing out ropes when on a steel climbing expedition

The dream I had was if a recurring clearing. A steep bank with a cottage and a side stair - very cold and vegetative. There ia a Pond. Some way off is a lake/laege pond The clearing and cottage come up in dreams that seem very real. - I have had 4 -5 times in my life the same place. This time the clearing was filled with people / many of them and there is a woman watching - almost smiling this time (she has not been there before). I am watching a woman taken to the pond - nothing more - and this older woman is still smiling. That was my dream

My daughter had a dream (she said it was a muddled one about a courtyard. It finished with an old woman smiling and a young woman being burnt - she said she woke up so hot that she had to have a cold bath. She said tge bew lodger was rhe smiling woman When we spoke my daughter said that the lodger felt like a witch finder's apprentice - an undercover witch finder

An uncomfortable seeping - a lurking maleoevolence my daughter says.



The lodger has an illness that means her energy is not as it should be. Her energy may not be OK. M
As I sit here typing I get a sense that the malevolence will not stop and will permeate. Bit am I just being unkind !

 

[goddessliss]

I'm with Moss Elk on this one. Woman's intuition is not to go unheeded and in this case it's on double high alert.

I think I've said this to you before - it's great to be kind but you need to be discerning about who you're kind to. People like us are easy to read by others who love to take advantage.

Line 3 says to protect your vulnerability and line 5 says things are completed. Out the door they must go.

 

[mulberry]

Adding my voice to the choir. Please do everything you can to get the lodger off your property and out of your life. And don't worry you're being unkind, you must protect yourself and your family.

I don't think all dreams are prophetic, or warning, some are just fluff--or regurgitated energy/scenes from waking life--but dreams are funny business: prophetic ones do exist. At least, I've had about three (with another three I'd put in the "possibly prophetic" category). Each of these was a strong warning, felt different from a normal dream, and changed the course of my life. I acted on the warning inherent in each and I'm glad I did. I'm still here. They were all about quite energetically intense people, or situations, and were potent with symbolism (including witch-related symbolism, as yours is).

I also agree with the others, line 53.3 seems to show the woman's intentions are not good. Line 6 is harder to interpret--I'd like to think it's simply showing that you will easily find a way out of the situation, that after she moves on there will be no residual harm.

8 as the background makes me think you must hurry.

Also, just as an aside-- it could be that you and your daughter are revisiting a past life entanglement with this soul (line 6, showing the danger is in the past). Nevertheless, it is not good that she's around (again) and evoking these energies so potently. Get her out of your life and wish her well on her journey elsewhere.

 

[Trojina]

My daughter and I are having similar dreams about a new lodger. So much so that we are now writing our thoughts and feelings about this person - they are so similar it is either telepathy between us or something else at play On the surface all is well just something seeping and lurking beneath the surface - difficult to verbalise. There must be something. The situation is complex so it is not just as easy as asking them too be out.

I want to feel generous of spirit and I have shown kindness to the lodger
But this nagging doubt is lingering and indeed is gnawing more as the days go by.

I asked should Take note of the feelings my daughter and I have about the lodger and got 53.36 to 8

Any insights would be useful

Er and let me be the lone voice from somewhere in the corridor outside the choir I think the others may be right but I also think this answer may be advice to you not to act like the outlaws in 53.3.

As you know I think our answers are generally pertinent to us ourselves rather than what others are doing. You asked if you should take note of your feelings here ? If we take this answer as direct advice to you I think it's saying to give things time (hexagram 53) The change patterns are yang pattern 52, yin pattern 58. What bought you to this question was of the nature of 52 ? I don't know how that applies but you might ? A way through the situation is 58, more communication with the lodger ?


I see it that the answer advises you to let things be because without the need to do anything the whole situation is transcended in 53.6. The problem is transcended, left behind, not an issue in 53.6. The geese move on, fly high, away. I'd think this was the lodger leaving in the natural course of things anyway. It also applies to you. When the lodger leaves the whole issue is not an issue. I also wonder if the need for lodgers is also bypassed ?


In 53.3 someone does not fulfil obligations to those who depend on them. The husband leaves, outlaws arrive, the wife does not deleiver her child. The advise is to resist outlaws both 'out there' as others suggest but also your own inner outlaw. 'Inner outlaw' sounds weird.

This is a line I always take seriously because it warns of obligations unfulfilled, let downs, not caring. Would that be you if you asked them to leave ? I mean you provide a living space and it's not so easy to find accommodation at the drop of a hat. You can hardly say "I'm sorry you have to leave because I had the same dream as my daughter". You may have had the same dream for all sorts of reasons. If you do decide to ask the lodger to go you will need to give reasonable notice anyway. I think it's interesting how 53.3 speaks of the home being not tended and can also suggest homelessness. You could take 53.3 here then as

'don't act like an outlaw,
fulfil your obligations to this person even if it's just proper notice,(53.3)

'he's going anyway in due course and it won't be an issue anymore' (53.6)



Having said all that I also think it is quite possible to see it as others have described. I just wanted to say to me it isn't entirely so clear. I think there is some ambiguity and could be read both ways. You question was 'should I take note of my feelings ?' and I think it's hard question to a get a clear answer to.



My view is to gain further clarity you may need to ask clearly about direct courses of action such as

'What if I ask her to leave ?'

'What if I let the tenancy run it's course ?'

Then compare the answers to those two options. Again, don't get me wrong, I think the others may be absolutely right but I did feel the need to point out I could see another way to read this. I think this may be a time for further questions before action ?



(I didn't mention the 8 here but I feel that is to do with the shared vision with your daughter perhaps. Or it may be to do with the connection to the lodger ? Against the backdrop of the 'united home front' so to speak there plays out the story of 53.3 and 53.6. When is the lodger due to leave anyway ? )

 

[butterfly spider]

Thank you - hugely to everyone
I think that there is definitely some entangled energies here - I am almost a bystander on the outside of the situation. There is without question something that is incredibly uneasy about the lodger - that is not in doubt. It may well be that the energies within the house are not working.
The alternative vision of selling is there and this may be screwing the 'past' of 53.6
I will ask some further questions to clarity
But - as all of you have said 53.3 and also 53.6 require my attention.
There are so many variables in the whole set up of our family that having this extra negative influence just isn't helping - however amiable or malevolent. It is like this person is a catalyst - coming to watch the bodies in the car crash...
I will keep you updated. And will cast further for clarification.

It is difficult sometimes to see ones own castings and I do so appreciate all your efforts.
Xx

 

[butterfly spider]

I did ask - what will happen if I ask the lodger to leave (they are on a 4 week contract only - to be extended in agreement with both parties)

I got 44.2 4 5 6 to 15 - interesting in that 44.2 always says that my feelings about someone are probably right - it's that affirmation of my intuition on someone usually. Not so clued up on 44.4 5 6
Perhaps it is saying that things will move on soon anyway

 

[Olga Super Star]

44 is usually a no, careful about that person or idea you have in mind (I'm simplifying I know )
15 is integrity - could it be as keep your word?

My humble attempt :bows:
44.2 there are fishes in the net (you have a lodger)
44.2> 33, retreating, not committing oneself (he keeps to himself?)

44.4 no fishes (there is no connection between the two of you)

44.5 a beautiful line, solution of problems coming from unexpected sources
(As Trojina once told me, something doesn't look good but in fact it is a beautiful melon. It is covered at the moment, so you might not be able to see it is a melon.
Maybe this lodger is not what he looks like and he's a beautiful melon?)

44.6 (you are probably putting too much investigation and energy into this?)

 

[rosada]

I believe the net in 44 is about catching, putting boundaries around a situation. So I think you are being told that your agreement with your tenant will protect you. That is, if you allow her to stay but ask her to leave at the end of the lease and not renew it you will not suffer.
I assume you will have to have a conversation with her about your decision not to renew but perhaps the melon symbolizes that this will not be a hardship for her. Hope so!

 

[Trojina]

I did ask - what will happen if I ask the lodger to leave (they are on a 4 week contract only - to be extended in agreement with both parties)

I got 44.2 4 5 6 to 15 - interesting in that 44.2 always says that my feelings about someone are probably right - it's that affirmation of my intuition on someone usually. Not so clued up on 44.4 5 6
Perhaps it is saying that things will move on soon anyway

Well 15 immediately brings pragmatism to mind. Money issues for example. So regardless of how you feel if you ask them to leave early you will lose money one way or the other. So 15 here as common sense reality. On top of all that however this seems to be intrusive (44) to you which is why you'd reject in line 6. You see the thing is both you and your daughter may be uncomfortable but that may be because the lodger is in your home ? Maybe you are used to it but if you aren't it can be hard to adjust to lodgers at the best of times. Change patterns here yang 6/yin 36. I'm wondering if you asked them to leave before the 4 weeks it would result in too much bad feeling ? It may not be worth it for the sake of just waiting till the 4 weeks is up and not extending it. Maybe this wasn't the best idea as 44.2 tells you but 15 also calls you to the practicalities.

You didn't ask about simply letting it go on till the 4 weeks is up as arranged ?


However I don't know the situation as you do so this is something you are going to need to decide for yourself. I'm curious what makes you so worried ? Do you feel the lodger is a threat to you personally or do you feel they look through your things ? No need to answer if you prefer not but clearly if you feel unsafe or feel your property is unsafe is there a reason ? Depends if you feel you can ask them to leave only based on a dream or whether your intuition is so strong you have no doubt ?

I'm wondering if you just need to know more about this person ? (58 yin pattern first reading suggesting a way through is open communication)

If you decide you want them to go ASAP then maybe an excuse will be needed to save hurt feelings ?

I agree with what Rosada said and also maybe the 44.5 shows an unexpected way out of this that crops up without you needing to directly tell them to go ?

 

[Tim K]

44.2 → 33 (Retreating), Legge:
Shows its subject with a wallet of fish. There will be no error.
But it will not be well to let (the subject of the first line) go forward to the guests.
You have a monthly rent in the wallet, don't renegotiate anything.

44.4 → 57 (Subtle Influence), Legge: Shows its subject with his wallet, but no fish in it.
This will give rise to evil.
If you cancel the agreement - you lose the money.

44.5 → 50 (Containing), Richmond: A melon wrapped in leaves is hidden. Something falls from heaven.
Wait, something good will come out of this eventually.

44.6 → 28 (Exceeding), Richmond: He approaches with his horns. Regret but no error.
Warning - you can ask the guest to leave, they will comply but there will be some negative feelings left.


53.3 I see it as empty worries. You thoughts are going too far.
53.6 Believe in higher power? It will all end well, and you get the feathers.

 

[butterfly spider]

Wow...so many helpful comments and ideas.

Something struck me about this thread - I did not expect so many people to put in this exceptional amount of energy into my query. It just does not warrant so much of your energies - not should it have taken up so much of my daughters or my emotional energy. We have had lodgers before - several - it is a necessity financially - no problems and the 4 week contract agreed by both sides is clear and legally binding. Why then the worry and the concerns and permeating thoughts?

Given all your kind thoughts on the matter there can be a few explanations:

- we are picking up on something from the lodger - nothing to do with us at all - and given that they have moved around constantly from lodging to lodging - this might have happened before. There are already signs that they might move on. They are unwell and this energy is not helpful around already fragile souls.

- 15 pragmatism - she came at a crucial financial point - we were desperate for the money - that same day - they seemed to come from nowhere phoned that morning and moved in next day ... They were having to move out that day. It's not ideal for either party. In fact we need them to stay financially but things have eased a bit and we can get someone else.

Perhaps the casting picked up on this - should I take note of our fears was my question. Maybe the fear is of the situation itself - this lodger is the personification of the situation. This would account for the inordinate amount of time I am spending on this

- the whole scenario of the situation in our family is complex with emotions arrowing in all different directions - to some extent I am in the outside of the web - but entangled at the same time. Perhaps this lodger is the catalyst that was needed - something nasty - a predator - making us all move on. Making us look at the situation.

- 53.6 is in the past - this was a difficult line to master - confusing but it feels today as if this problem stems from the past- almost as if all the thoughts from the past were channeled through the lodger somehow

There is absolutely no question that this lodger sets the hairs on my back on end and they do need go. I cannot ignore this As I said previously this feeling is just not going away

The castings were absolutely spot on actually - 53.36 to 8 about my fears and 44 to 15 about asking them to leave. However there is a feeling about them that the outcome is not inauspicious from all of this - something beneficial - perhaps from all the thinking. Not entirely negative.

I cannot believe that all this energy and thoughts do not have a reason
Xx

 

[butterfly spider]

They are moving on - the house is bad for their health - bad karma here
Phew
However - the issues have highlighted the problems we face as a family and the need to move only daughter says that it has been like having a ghost in the house - visiting for one last time - as you do a graveyard -

Time to move on I think. Nothing has gone well since they arrived -
Money was useful at the time though
X

 

[goddessliss]

Fantastic you're open to seeing and doing something about those family issues. The same can be said for me in what I could see about myself reflected back to me re my landlord.

 

[butterfly spider]

They have gone - and the house feels as if the cold stagnant dampness has evaporated - my daughter has used her bells sage sticks and opened the windows. Too much energy channeled into her from our little family.

Interesting that a lovely down to earth neighbour - she has fed the goldfish (same one) for 23 years when we go away - visited yesterday just after the lodger had left. She never ever says anything nasty or comments about people. She did say though that we must be pleased that the lodger had gone - they gave her the creeps .....

We have though decided that the scenario with lodgers needs to end now - No more -
I put the house up for sale .....

 

[Tim K]

I think you've finally listened to Yi , leave this cart be and switch it for a white pegasus.