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Hi all,
hope you are all well

I would appreciate it a lot if you could share any experience of this line or any insight you can share.

There is not much concise on how various translator read this line. Because I got it for a quite serious matter I would like to have a better understanding before burn something I shouldn't.

Thanks in advance
 

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Well, whatever the action you are contemplating it suggests that you'll burn your "inn" down due to either a misreading of the situation or too much ambition. There are gentler ways of doing things is the message here - too much intensity, too eager to make progress. This type of fire can burn up what you have gained so far in terms of material things, ideas or relationships.

That doesn't always mean the end result is bad, it just means you might put yourself through unnecessary suffering to get there. I've had this when the ambition and desire is somewhat reactive and painful but the final result has taken me where I wanted to go.

But generally, for me this line has always been a warning to think about what I'm getting into and cool down as I travel through an intense but creative situation.

One experience I had was completing a book for publishing and I wanted to know if I could meet the deadline if I worked during the weekend - including nights. Answer 56.3. So, I decided to ask for an extension of one week. MUCH easier.
 
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I tend to favor or relate to LiSe's rendering. I can't remember anything catastrophic resulting from it but it frequently seems to refer to a resolve to move onward (changes to 35) without looking back.
 

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Hi all,
hope you are all well

I would appreciate it a lot if you could share any experience of this line or any insight you can share.

There is not much concise on how various translator read this line. Because I got it for a quite serious matter I would like to have a better understanding before burn something I shouldn't.

Thanks in advance

My personal experience of this and 56.6 is that there is something inevitable happening around simply being too big for a situation. I can't think of one occasion where this heralded disaster. Rather there seemed an inevitability around the situation. There are times and places where one just doesn't fit...where one could never fit without chopping limbs off and even then one cannot squeeze oneself smaller and smaller, it doesn't work. If your inn is too small you have to bust out and there's no going back.

When I look back with hindsight at such situations there's no regret, more a sense of inevitability.

But then I guess how inevitable it seems will depend on the context. One thing is for sure I feel and that is you will burn bridges if you cannot make yourself small enough to adapt here.

How much can you adapt ? How small or unnoticeable can you become ? It all depends on how important this is to you ?

I think I would go with Lise's idea that sometimes it is necessary to burn bridges. So I don't feel this line is as condemnatory as many commentaries suggest. In fact I have never known it so. I don't think, through my experience, this line is saying "you must adapt and if you don't you will kicked out..so therefore you must adapt". I think it's more neutral, a simple statement of fact that if you won't or can't fit this situation then you will have to leave.

But leaving isn't always a bad thing.

Although it can be painful and I think this line refers to the pain of burning bridges, of not being able to reverse decisions. There is a finality about it that is rarely comfortable. To avoid that finality one has to behave absolutely in accordance with the 'norms' of the place you find yourself in. Hey but if you don't want to , then don't but just be aware you can't go back next week or ever. It's burned down. You finished with it in a final way and you also lose the perks that went with that situation, ie the helper.

I have no idea of the context for you though and I think context is extra important with this line.
 

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Just as another experience - sometimes it's not inevitable, and sometimes it can indeed be a catastrophe. Depending on what you're asking about, heed this line carefully.

I once got this line when I was very new to the I Ching and knew even less than I do now about what anything meant. If I'd had half a clue, I could have easily prevented a disaster by just being a bit less extreme about what I was doing. As it was, I destroyed something quite precious. I mean, no one died, but the damage can't be fixed.

As Trojina ended with, though, it will depend on what the subject is. Some situations are inherently less dangerous than others, even if the worst does happen. But it might be good to think carefully about the situation, ask what is the worst that could happen (make sure you don't underestimate that), and decide whether the risk is worth it.
 

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Topal's 56.3 experience (with finishing her book) seemed quite different from mine, not just in the subject, but in how the line worked in each. I ended up thinking about it while doing some otherwise-mindless tasks, tried to come up with different ways of using the words in the text to fit each reading, and eventually wondered if something like Bradford's literal translation would help. (It's a free download :bows:.)

I don't use the literal translation very often, just because I'm easily confused. But I think this might be a good example of how it can help :D - maybe I'll start looking at it more often!

Bradford's translation of 56.3:

(a, the) wanderer, wayfarer, traveler, stranger
burns, sets fire to, ignites, singes
the, this, that; his, her (own); someone else's
camp, encampment, inn, hostel, lodging
(and) lose, forfeit, forego, fail(s, ing)
the, this, that, his, her
young, youthful
servant, helper, retainer, assistant
persistence(ing), constancy; to keep going
(is) difficult, hard (to do), harsh, distressing


A key seems to be in the fifth line. In my example, I'd select the word lose - I straightforwardly lost things: something which was of help to me right then, as well as access to similar help in the future. I had really burned bridges. In a sentence: "By 'setting fire' (engaging in extreme, overly ambitious behavior) in this way, you will 'lose' a helper and cause permanent 'distress' for yourself."

In Topal's example, based on what she told us, it seems as if the words forfeit or forego would be more accurate in that spot. Also, the early lines - the notion of burning - might be expressed with the pithy phrase, "burning the midnight oil." So her example might become, "If you 'burn the midnight oil,' you will be 'forfeiting' help which is available to you, and your work will be that much more 'difficult' and 'harsh'."

Thank you for the example, Topal!
 

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Thank you for your insights :hug:

Each of you has talked about different aspects of the situation. My past experience agrees that it doesn't necessary relates to a disaster but this time the context of the question/situation makes it more complicate.

Some time ago, when there was a heasy rain of bad news and friend called me and she asked to help her . I said yes because not only will support her during some difficult times but at the same time, being there would be a nice nourishing interval for me, something I really need. The timing was so perfect that really helped me endure some really difficult times, and as romantic can be heard, I felt that it was some how help from above.

In the meantime, I got an offer for a job and being desperate in need for an income I accept it. Not a good one, in various ways, just a breather. It might be , in the long run maybe , an opportunity for promotion still nothing concrete. As Trojina said, if I have understood her well, the inn it too small.

I want to keep my promise to my friend and if possible extent the renewal of my contract for a month, so I can do what I have promised and keep the door open in that workplace...I know , I know... I want all...Btw, there is not any written agreement that they are going to keep me after the trial period only they said they rarely fire...

In my mind, the decision is about which inn i'll have to "burn" and this line strucked me. I can relate a lot , like sooo said , to lise's rendering. It's funny, or not funny at all, that the whole situation refers to a trip, being a stranger in a strange land ( my friends side of the matter) and being a newcomer in that working environment. THE mess. :rolleyes: it appears to me that in both situations I was given a horse and now I have to produce more... yet it's is still unclear to me to which horse and which inn this line refers... I will read again your thoughts before asking Yi further questions. .. Topal's extension is what I hope I can be given so maybe the answer is somewhere towards that direction :) to my question " what if I asked them for one month delay of renewal I got 5.1> 48 ... not that good, I guess

If you would like to add something, I'm aaaaaaallll ears
Thanks you so much for your help
 
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erm, Topal is a he. :)

A paradoxical cliche that this line reminds me of, which in this case actually makes sense, is: you can't have your cake and eat it too. Or, you can't take ease in a stationary comfort zone and explore what lies beyond too. There's a finality to this decision, hence the sense of loss. From LiSe's military analogy, while serving in the navy, we were trained how to scuttle the ship (the deliberate sinking of one's own ship) to keep its weapons and any intelligence aboard from falling into enemy hands. This warfare exercise did evoke a sense of great loss, as there's a certain maternal or marital relationship a sailor develops over time with her.
 

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" I will set my ships on fire", it's a favorite song of a Greek son writer that I too associate with this line. What you say, Bruce, makes sense, that sometimes progress requires burning some ships.it's degleration of determination of some kind.
Not the best line for a Scorpio in a Wandering mode, me things ;)

Embarrassing to admit that yes, I try to have the cake and eat it too. Then, this line makes sense as I hAve, inside me, be resolute and decide which is more important for me now. It that sense, the advise of this line sounds more useful.

Thanks again
 
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56 - 35 in Yi Lin

In the Forest of Changes that line would produce:

56 - 35

The wren and the Japanese grosbeak,
Weave their nest of small twigs.
A mild breeze disturbs their peace,
The nest swaying in the branches.
With the cold weather comes trembling and constant anxiety.
 

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erm, Topal is a he. :)

:bag:

So sorry, Topal. Have started an entry in my Resonance Journal called "Forum People." (Am bad at titles! but hopefully it will serve the purpose.)
 

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In my mind, the decision is about which inn i'll have to "burn"

Anemos, what was your exact question when you got 56.3? Maybe that would help sort it out.
 

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In the Forest of Changes that line would produce:

56 - 35

The wren and the Japanese grosbeak,
Weave their nest of small twigs.
A mild breeze disturbs their peace,
The nest swaying in the branches.
With the cold weather comes trembling and constant anxiety.

Interesting ! Thanks for sharing. I can relate to that as I do feel like exposing myself and that causes some anxiety. The visual is fixing to my emotions and feelings
 

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Anemos, what was your exact question when you got 56.3? Maybe that would help sort it out.

Lisa,
my question was " best approach regarding that matter". Honestly I don't see a "clear" answer as do A or do B. Reflecting on what you all have shared, seems to that this line mirrors my fears and worries and probably the fact that whether I like it or not, I need to burn one of those bridges.

There are some lines , that do seem dreadful, yet there are occasions I tried not to let my fear stop me, and the result was not a disaster.
 
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Lisa,
my question was " best approach regarding that matter". Honestly I don't see a "clear" answer as do A or do B. Reflecting on what you all have shared, seems to that this line mirrors my fears and worries and probably the fact that whether I like it or not, I need to burn one of those bridges.

There are some lines , that do seem dreadful, yet there are occasions I tried not to let my fear stop me, and the result was not a disaster.

Sometimes I have to remind myself that 'Being clear-minded and cautious in imposing penalties,
and protracts no lawsuits' applies to myself as well as things outside of myself. I think the burning of ones hut if often something which happens without conscious awareness. It sounds to me as though you're looking at this decision as a lawsuit or judgment of a sort. Maybe if you don't worry about it but just keep moving ahead this will sort itself out naturally?
 

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That's a good point. Not agonising over this too much...no lawsuits, keep moving...
 

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My fear , that in a way this line fed, is that if I asked them for a time off will result to imposing penalties, it no future there... but your take, sounds that I might unnecessarily worry... or if that happens, not a big deal.

H35 makes references on clarity of mind, so I see your point , sooo.

Trojina, I hope you are right :)

I have decided to asked them. Will be able to give some update at the end of January.

Thanks again for your clarifications.
 

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Update

Told them that I have to be away for some time and their response was that I won't lose my job. Last night I asked Yi for a last minitue's advise and got 47> 25 I had to laught with the "drama" of those lines ;)

I think the line was aaddressing my fear for burning bridges and with your insights could see that and be more bold with my decision

Hugs to all
 

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I wonder if, given it's 56.3, whether you will actually want to go back. Perhaps something else comes up for you and it is in the end a burned bridge.
 

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I wonder if, given it's 56.3, whether you will actually want to go back. Perhaps something else comes up for you and it is in the end a burned bridge.

Have thought about it too. Have to wait and see how the whole situation will evolve :)
 

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Update no 2

Trip went well and when I returned still had my job. Well there was a miscommunication between HR departments, so they had to hire me again.

Just before returning back home, I asked what was that trip about and got the same line... no concrete idea what that means :eek:

Perhaps I have a little or big problem with my health insurance benefits and maybe this was the warning of this line, yet the second time I got it makes me doubt. ..

Anyways, will know soon how big is the insurance problem, but just posting it here to update the thread. Besides that was a wonderful trip and people at work lovely and helpful.
 

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I wanted to share my experiences about 56.3, in case that helps.

I got this line when I was organising a catch up drinks night for my old university class mates: a get together after a year or so post graduation. A whole bunch of people indicated they were keen, I suggested a date and a location and all seemed ok. But then in the week of the catch up people were not responding "going" on the Facebook event. I wondered what was happening, and so the day before the event I asked for final confirmation and only a few people responded. This seemed crazy, and I asked the I ching "what should I do" — I certainly didn't want to continue to organise this if no one could make it. I got 56.3.
It seemed inevitable, that I should cancel the event (burn down the inn — loose the young helpers, meaning my former classmates). For whatever reason, it was impossible for the event to go ahead. I cancelled the event and actually didn't feel too bad about that. It felt good to let it go — it obviously wasn't working.

I'm going to resign from my job today, I'm very unhappy and in a very complicated and difficult power struggle between two superiors. I don't even have a job lined up, I'm just that unhappy. I have never quit a job before having one set up before, but the situation is so impossible I'm concerned if I don't I will be more and more trapped and less motivated to change.
I asked the I Ching for advice for today. I got 56.3.

There is a feeling that this is inevitable then: it's an almost impossible situation that one needs to radically change. Obviously, I have no intention of burning my bridges as I leave but I do feel a little better, as the line reflects a lot of my thoughts about this job.
 

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The 56.3 is clear. Always assume it was/will be/can be your fault. By acting in unreliable, whimsical, annyoing ways, by disappointing them you cause the fire. Other ways to cause fire are: cancelling dates, expecting a red carpet welcome, not accepting invitations, failing to deliver what you promised, forgetting to say "thank you", gossip, etc.
 

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The 56.3 is clear. Always assume it was/will be/can be your fault. By acting in unreliable, whimsical, annyoing ways, by disappointing them you cause the fire.
But if someone gets this line as an answer to "What do I need to do to work in this field?" how does the fault apply? Then it's supposed to be a suggestion, and the suggestion is to burn everything down.

Could be "burn down the idea of working there" or "burn down your only support so that you finally get the courage to swim there"
 

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I've got this line twice about two different men in my romantic life. It seems after letting things play out: someone will take you for granted and realize it much too late. 35 meant for me that it was best they go their own way. Later, they may try to come back and fix things but you will be in a better position and say no. Guess they shouldn't have lost that young helper after all.
 

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