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What should i do from now on to feel love, connection, happiness?
58.1.3 > 28
What?
I read 58.3 means bad luck? and 28 too?
Th Yi would't do that to me! I asked for advice.
What do you seniors take from this?

Reading iching123, i got the sensation i should be strong inside and open, compassive, yielding for the outside.
Don't approach things in a too strong anf open maner.
I got 28 when i asked what to do about work. If to ask for a part-time or not, so now i inteerpret it as telling me the answer is also about that.
Be calm, stay cool, be nice and you will get what you want. Don't "open" your game.
Anything else?
 

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58.3 isn't "bad luck" so much as telling you that those thing you listed: love, connection, happiness, need to come from within you, not be constituent on outer circumstances.

As for the picture made by the hexagrams, I think it might be saying: You should find the places that cultivate joyousness (58), but don't let the outer circumstances entirely determine this, and certainly don't end up in stressful places (28).
 

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So, 28 are stressful places?
Maybe that was what 28 was about when i asked about work (28 unchanged). And it is a bit stressing right now.
Thanks a lot, a pretty clear interpretation...
 

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You know what? This is basically what i have been doing...
 

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My kid is ill and i had to stay home with him.
At work they don't like this.
My parents don't agree that i stay with him instead of finding somebody that would stay with him.
I feel kind of trapped. I BELIEVE i should stay with him, but a part of me feels fearful and guilty.
Tricky, ãnh? Could this reading be about this?
 

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I don't think of 28 as a "bad luck" hexagram. In fact, I like receiving hexagram 28 for some reason. I feel that as a "time" it gives me permission to be myself. It can be stressful though.

Consider Hilary's translation of "The Image" for H 28: "The lake submerges the tree: Great Exceeding, A noble one stands alone without fear, Withdraws from the time without sadness"

Your work and your parents don't like it when you stay at home with your ill kid. So when you do that are you "standing alone without fear" ? Are you fearful that you will damage your situation at work if you stay with him --- or are you fearful that it is not O.K. to find someone else to stay with him? Are you guilty about missing work or would you feel guilty if you allowed someone else to take care of your child? What provisions does your workplace have for family and medical leave?

And with Hexagram 28 it is "fruitful to have a direction to go". What direction can you take at this time that will bring you joy? In her book Hilary asks some questions about H 28 that may be helpful. "What is overloaded: What have you outgrown? What must you do?"

For me H 28 is about a time when one source of nourishment (H 27) is no longer supporting me and there is a need to "stand alone" and flow onto another source of nourishment.

For the image of hexagram 58 Hilary states, "Lakes joined together: Opening. A noble one joins with friends to speak and practice together." Isn't this more than just to "be calm, stay cool, and be nice"? Those stances can be helpful in communication. But sometimes we must take a stand (hexagram 28) in our communication that other people don't necessarily like. We don't necessarily have to turn away from "friends", but if something about the relationship is not supportive --- we need to communicate about that. 58.1 speaks to that: "Responsive opening, good fortune" You take your stand, "they" respond; you listen to the response and allow it to inform you stance. But your stance also informs "their" stance. And sometimes this communication may be between different parts of yourself. For example --- is there a part of yourself that wants to stay home with your ill kid and another part that wants to go to work? Can these parts have a "responsive dialogue?"
 

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AND, I notice that Huang's translation H 58.1 : "With inner harmony, joyful. Good fortune."

...like mryou1 said -- love, connection, happiness... and inside job

Huang's translation of 58.3 is different from others. He says, "With flattery, coming for joyfulness. Misfortune" A warning about sacrificing yourself too much to please others?
 

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Callingcrane
Loved everything you wrote!
You could make a resume of my conflict. Andit helped me understand 28. I got it before and it makes so much sense what you write! Now i understood the answer i got! And it is telling me to go for the part-time as the place where i am is not "nourishing" me anymore...

Later i got more serene about my choice.
I do have an internal conflict. Maybe i should ask the yi how to solve this conflict? I am so sure about so many things with my kids. When it comes to missing work, i get this conflict. Andthe external conflict totally reflects the internal one...

It isn't likely thati lose my job. Nothing really important is at stake. I CAN, I am entitled (i amucky enough) to be able to do this. But i do fear THE OPINION OF OTHERS. Specially chiefs.
Thanks again to both of you.
 

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Hi Deusa

One thing I might say first here is that when I do readings, I tend to pick up on a certain psychology of the person asking the question, and that is one of the reasons I appear a little controversial sometimes, (but there are much bigger reasons than that that I will get into later.) So when I look at your question the first thing that pops into my head is a sense of "desperation." Not that it is anything bad, we all feel that way at times. But your heartache and your sorrow comes through to a certain extent.

So on that basis, in answer to your question, a very simple answer at this point, is that in hexagram fifty eight we have an answer to desperation by being joyful. It is very hard to be joyful when things seem to be constantly turning against us. Therefore we have to find our joy within ourselves regardless of outward circumstances. When all the lines are the opposite we have hexagram 52 which tells us that we must remain calm within, so calm that "we no longer see in the world the struggle and tumult of individual beings, and therefore have that true peace of mind..." When we are in a state of depression it is like hexagram forty seven line one that says "We sit oppressed...and stray into a gloomy valley." We must remember that the gloomy valley spoken of is within our mind only, and it is NOT reality. It is just the way we perceive reality.

That does not stop us from wanting what we want. However, it allows, hexagram fifty two again line six, "us to have a general resignation in regard to life as a whole, and this confers peace and good fortune in relation to every individual matter."

So bearing that in mind, and knowing that that is the mental attitude we must develop, what does hexagram fifty eight tell us in regard to the question? Well, part of the answer is in the image, where the line says, "Thus the superior person joins with friends for discussion and practice." In other words, the first thing to do is find friends. Now if we are overly concerned about finding friends, then we tend to push people away, but if we have "contented joyousness," Line one, we "harbor the quiet security of a heart fortified within itself." When we have the right mental attitude, and a general resignation toward life, friends are drawn to us. The commentary on hexagram forty five line two says, "There are secret forces at work, leading those together who belong together. We must yield to this attraction." Hexagram sixty one gives us hints as to how to find those who are of like mind as we are.

Now, the commentary on line three says, "but if one is empty within, and wholly given over to the world..." Well, that leads misfortune, true fortune, and true misfortune, come from within, not without, just as there is no "gloomy valley" out there. It is only within. When we walk through the wilderness, as the children of Israel did, ostensibly for forty years, the wilderness is only within, there is no wilderness without. It is only as we perceive things that we find ourselves in a gloomy valley.

Finally, in hexagram twenty eight; if we stay in the gloomy valley, we find the weight overbearing. But if we "join with our friends for discussion and practice, we find that the weight of our despair becomes too much, and we throw it off, we find the joyous mood of fellowship intoxicating, and that which was too heavy a burden sinks of its own weight.

Enough for now

Gene
 

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Hi deusa,

Have nothing much to add, except that I refer fondly to 58.3 as the "if only" line. If only _________, then I'd have joy. Or, when such and such happens, or when so and so likes me, or gives me such 'n such, then I'll have joy.

The line makes me think of this. :)
 

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Thanks gene!!!

In this period of my life, where so many things are changing, i feel very lucky because i do have friends, people that are there with whom i can "join".
Yesterday they were so important to me, as were your comentaries, of all of you. I am happy because i am addressing an issue that needs to be addressed. And it becomes clearer who i am, and what i want, do you see what i mean?

I also feel i have to do something with this experience to help other mothers with less then me, less insight, less possibilities, less strenght...

My kid is there sleeping, very feverish, and i feel previlegde that i can be here for him. That he can stay in his home, with his mum taking care of him. That he can look at the world, at life, as something that can be hard but can also be smooth and loving... I don't know if i am making any sense here... But words are always more squared then feelings...

Yesterday, in the middle of my conflict, i asked the Yi
"I feel bad now, with the kid ill and me following my intuition and staying home. Any advice?"
(I tend to speak with the Yi as if it was my mother...)
57.2.6 > 39
Subtly penetrating to limping

I find it so funny how accurate that sounded. I always went this way of guilty feeling when i stay home, either ill or with ill kids. And so, often i found some criticism outside (the outside reflects the inside).
39 could mean i am limping here, i should change the way i see things. Right?

I always get confused with directions.

But what i love are the lines of 57. As i understood them:
Go inside yourself, go to your subconscious, try tomunderstand what is going on, find help, read, transform (magicians). But, line 6, don't overdo. Don't obsess. It is done, it is done. Stop.

And, strangely enough, that was what happened. From a certain point in the day i felt totally relaxed and in peace.

Thanks again to all of you!
 

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Oh, coincidentally, in that movie scene, he had just learned that due to his generosity ('stupidity'), he was broke and lost everything, including his lovely wife and mansion. His roof caved in on him. Real 28 stuff.
 

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Bradford's translation of the lines:

58.1 -- Responsive Joy, Promising
58.3 -- Future Joy, Dissappointing

So, "What should I do from now on to feel love, connection, and happiness?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwDVvKetRv4

Enjoy (58) being a One Man Band (28)

Be Here Now, Respond to the Moment without worrying about the future
 
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Thank you all!
Callingcrane, your resume is great and that version of "don't worry be happy" is great!!

Meng, i don't know if i got your idea...
I didn't see that movie. The scene is great, ironic and funny and symbolic. He is blaming anything for his situation, even what he is not!

But what does it mean "his generosity (stupidity)"?

What callingcrane wrote before was more obvious to me: what i am doing now is making me risk to have the roof broken, so i have to change something... And it describes very well what is happening in mu work, they raised my presence time more and more and the reason i went there to work was because i didn't have many presence hours.
 

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It's been awhile since I've seen the movie, deusa, so I'm not 100% on the exact plot, but my primary association is that he doesn't need anything (to be happy), except this... and this... and this... etc. Coming joy = conditional happiness = misfortune.
 

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It makes so much sense!!!
And it goes in the direction of my personal growth. Accept myself, accept my life, look at what i have of good. I have a lot!
 

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Funny, when i'm feeling low, i usually get 58... Like the Yi exorting me to be happy and don't plunge in my sense of saddness...
 

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