58 changing to 61 Should I apply for the job?

[pixiestix]

I asked the yi "what will happen if I apply for a particular job?" and I received 58 with 9 at line 4 and 6 at line 6.

I planned to return to work this year after a break to bring up my children. I feel unsure about what I received back from the yi, but I am not sure if the feelings I have are because I am nervous about returning, which is natural, or if I am picking up something that maybe this job is not quite the right one?

I do have a slight reservation about the kind of people I might have to deal with. The job is working for the police as a civilian, and I am sure that it will probably be OK, but I don't think I would like it if it was day in day out dealing with abusive people.

Wilhelm says of line 4
Joyousness that is weighed is not at peace.
After ridding himself of mistakes a man has joy.

Often a man finds himself weighing the choice between various kinds of pleasures, and so long as he has not decided which kind he will choose, the higher or the lower, he has no inner peace. Only when he clearly recognises that passion brings suffering, can he make up his mind to turn away from the lower pleasures and to strive for the higher. Once this decision is sealed, he finds true joy and peace, and inner conflict is overcome.

Line 6
Seductive joyousness

A vain nature invites diverting pleasure and must suffer accordingly. If a man is unstable within, the pleasure of the world that he does not shun have so powerful an influence that he is swept along by them. Here it is no longer a question of danger, of good fortune or misfortune. He has given up direction of his own life, and what becomes of him depends upon chance and external influences.

Hex 61 Inner Truth

The Judgment
Inner truth. Pigs and fishes
Good fortune.
It furthers one to cross the great water.
Perseverance furthers.

The Image
Wind over lake:the image of inner truth.
Thus the superior man discusses crimainal cases
In order to delay executions.

I am just not sure what I feel about this. I don't feel too sure about the job, but wonder if my reservations are as I said before nerves, or if I am picking up that I should wait a while and something to which I might be more suited might come along.

I would love a little help with trying to interpret this. I would be interested to hear your thoughts and what your interpretations of this are.

With thanks.........PixieStix

 

[willowfox]

I asked the yi "what will happen if I apply for a particular job?" and I received 58, line 4 and line 6.

You are unsure what to do here, but the lines suggest that this job is not for you, it will not bring the fulfillment, happiness and peace that you are looking for in a job, of course the pay is probably good but I see you being pushed around and not treated with respect in this job, basically the job is not suited to your needs as it will only bring a very temporary happiness which will quickly evaporate.

 

[rosada]

Hi PixieStix,

I wonder if the hexagrams are discribing the job itself. Inner Truth, "The superior man discusses criminal cases in order to delay executions." Is this refering somehow to what the job requires? Would you be hearing all sorts of stories and maybe finding yourself feeling, "This person is getting a raw deal. I should say something"? Perhaps to do this work you need to really feel you have an inner calling to be an advocate for justice. The change lines for 58 also could be interpreted as the sort of people one might expect to come in contact with in this work, that is folks who made bad choices - 58.4 - and maybe drug addicts -58.6.

If this is the case, if the I Ching is discribing for you what the job actually entails, I think the message here is that it's important you understand exactly what the job is and then you can decide for yourself if you feel you could fit in this situation. In otherwords, whether you should take this job is not just a question of "Will I get paid on time?" but do you have a real calling for this sort of work?

 

[Trojina]

Agreeing with what Rosada wrote in her last paragraph. I don't think your answer says either 'do it' or 'don't do it' rather it reflects your state of mind about it. You are undecided (line 4) and also you do need to consider realistically what it entails as line 6 may indicate you are looking too much at what the job will bring you rather than what you can bring to the job. (which is perfectly natural of course) but as rosada said maybe this kind of work does require a sense of calling, a wish to help the kinds of people you may be dealing with.

 

[pixiestix]

Hi Willowfox and Rosada,

Thank you for your replies, they have certainly given me something to think about. I think I need to think very carefully about this job. There is just something inside of me that I just can't put my finger on, that has reservations about it all.

The hexagrams could be talking about the job Rosada. I don't think that I would have a problem thinking people had got a raw deal etc, as I would be working as an administrator dealing with fixed penalties. I just don't want a job where people are abusive most of the time.

By the way Rosada, I love your threads on memorising the hexagrams, I am slowly working my way through them. I am upto 5 at the moment! I find it very useful to look at how other people interpret the lines, judgments and images etc.....very interesting. Keep up the good work. I am at the stage where I think my brain is going to melt if I read any more about the I Ching, I need to step away from it all sometimes to let it all sink in, or the "overload" caption comes on. I do love it though, and find it fascinating.

Thank you again for your replies
PixieStix

 

[pixiestix]

Hi Trojan,

Sorry I missed your post.....I got called away while replying and didn't see your reply.

Yes you are right I am looking at what the job will bring to me, but I feel more importantly I want to make sure I am right for the position and will be able to cope with dealing with the people that I will encounter. I don't want to let anybody down, least of all myself. It is not about money (though that is nice!), it is about whether I will be happy and feel fulfilled doing this job. Some people naturally have a skin like a rhino when dealing with people, but I don't fall into that catagory, I am a bit more sensitive and compassionate. Yes I think I am very good at helping people and I am good at administration, I am just worried about dealing with aggresive and abusive people.

Thank you for your reply.....I am going to go off and ponder some more.

PixieStix

 

[Tohpol]

Some people naturally have a skin like a rhino when dealing with people, but I don't fall into that catagory, I am a bit more sensitive and compassionate. Yes I think I am very good at helping people and I am good at administration, I am just worried about dealing with aggresive and abusive people.

How do you usually cope with such people? Can you think back and remember how you handled those situations? How would you handle it if you felt completely confident and fearless?

Topal

 

[pixiestix]

How do you usually cope with such people? Can you think back and remember how you handled those situations? How would you handle it if you felt completely confident and fearless?

Topal

Hi Topal,

Thank you for your reply.

I know 'how' to deal with people in awkward situations, and I have been capable of doing that in the past. I have always put on a brave front, and managed the situation, but inside, emotionally, I don't particularly like doing it.

I guess I should have made it clearer that it is the emotional aspect of the job that concerns me. I might be wrong and everyone behaves in an acceptable manner. I am just trying to think of worst case scenarios. I know that I would not be happy if say I was dealing with dozens of aggressive or abusive people on a daily basis. I think it would wear me down. I hope I am not coming across as emotionally incapable, because I am not. I just would like to be happy in my work.

I know lots of jobs deal with people who are not always as polite as they should be, and that sometimes that is part and parcel of most jobs.

Last night I was reading Stephen Karchers Total I Ching, and here is what he says of the lines of hex 58.

Nine at forth:
Opening, bargaining words. No Peace yet. Express it.
Enclose the contention and there will be rejoicing.

There will be a reward. You are discussing this opportunity and everyone's temperature is rising. Put a clear limit on negative emotions. If you actively seek harmony, the situation will soon be filled with joy.
Direction: Articulate your ideas. Take things in. Be open and provide what is needed.

Six above.
Prolong the opening. Draw out the words.
Express it. Extend the joy and pleasure.

This is not shining yet. Extend the opening and possibility for connection. Don't let go of this opportunity. Draw it out as far as possible. Express yourself. Keep the possibilities open. You will be very sorry if you simply let go. This could be a lasting source of joy and pleasure.
Direction: Find supportive friends. Gather energy for an important new move.

Am I right in thinking that this is saying keep negative emotions in check, seek harmony and the situation perhaps all will turn out well? Line 6 is saying not to let this opportunity slip away? I feel confused.

I don't know if my reservtions are nerves of returning to work. I can look at plenty of other jobs too. I don't have to do anything right this moment. Maybe I need to find time to ask the yi some different questions about seeking employment.

I used to be indecisive......now I am not so sure!
PixieStix

 

[Trojina]

Karcher interprets 58.6 differently to everyone else. Most other translations I think take this line as meaning too much emphasis on ones own pleasure and satisfaction in the situation leads to a kind of emptiness.

On a practical level why don't you just apply and see what happens. I'm pretty sure the interviewers know what kind of person they want - trust them. If they think you are right for the job and you are the best candidate thats your answer. You haven't even applied yet so asking these questions kinda assumes you already have been offered the job ? I imagine the police are going to be pretty efficient about choosing the right candidate, they don't want to waste their time either. Just apply, whats to lose. Also if you get to interview stage they are going to give you a much better picture of what the job involves and likley discuss your reservations with you if you still have them.

Also I think its important to scale down your answer to the size of the question. Some commentaries make everything sound of massive import which is misleading and I think gives rise to apprehension in many newbies. Scale down the wording in the commentaries to the mundane level of question and you'll be nearer the truth.

I think a general question at this stage is to figure out what level of responsibility and time commitment you want in a job, what your strengths are and so on. I think if you ask about the result of applying for specific jobs before you've even applied you may immobilise yourself more through worrying about the answers you get. I see your 58 to 61 answer as also saying you are looking at this like you might look at meals on menu "shall I have this one, shall I have that one" considering which will bring you most joy - yet in the end you don't really have that choice since generally the jobs one is actually offered are far far less than the ones applied for

 

[rosada]

Glad you are enjoying the Memorizing threads, Pixiestix. I hope you'll post ideas on the current thread. Even if it's just to say, "Pixiestix was here!" By actually posting on the thread I think some sort of energetc connection is made and you'll find the meaning of the trigram becomes clearer for you and that you recall it more easily because now you are recalling your own words.