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Breakmov, perhaps i missed it, but it's not clear to me what advice or response you think the Yi is offering regarding Mary's question? Are you saying the Yi is recommending that she be careful and proceeding with 'extreme care'?I see it this way: 59.1>61 ....
It seems to me that "misunderstandings and mutual distrust" can happen in all human relationships, even in - or especially in - so-called romantic relationships.Wilhelm speaks of "misunderstandings and mutual distrust" and it seems to me this can occur in sexual relationships that lack love.
.... also "it is important that disunion should be overcome at the outset, before it has become complete" ... Perhaps this indicates that if you continue on the present there will be disunion (between you and your romantic self
My feeling is that "mutual distrust" is not a characteristic of a loving relationship - but what happens when love breaks down in a relationship, or else is absent from the relationship from the beginning. Misunderstandings is another matter and can happen in any relationship, but mutual distrust is different- where there is love there will always be trust.It seems to me that "misunderstandings and mutual distrust" can happen in all human relationships, even in - or especially in - so-called romantic relationships.
I agree, but you seem to be drawing a line in the sand between what you're calling a 'romantic' relationship and all others - or ones that are not as romantic. I just don't see those distinctions, nor do I know where we'd draw that line. It's as if you're creating an either/or scenario, and I don't think one necessarily exists here.My feeling is that "mutual distrust" is not a characteristic of a loving relationship ....
Here you are looking at one person's commentary about the Yi, but not what the Yi actually says, and these are two entirely different things. You're basically relying on Wilhelm's opinion, which is just one among many.Reading Wilhelm's commentary on hexagram 61 it seems ... a distinction is being made between the two types of relationships, with a preference in this situation for those that move past transitory convenience, relationships based on "what is right, on steadfastness" .....
I am indeed drawing a line - between casual sex and a loving relationship - which is the implicit (although not explicit) dichotomy posed in the original message. I have known both and there is a season perhaps for both. What is I Ching hinting about the way to go here?You seem to be drawing a line in the sand between what you're calling a 'romantic' relationship and all others - or ones that are not as romantic.
In my interpretation, the Yi's advice is that Mary should explore these different relationships, and that out of this exploration, she can decide what works best for her. However, I don't think the Yi is making a 'decision' for her - or telling her that one kind of relationship is better than another. I think the Yi - as it often does - is leaving Mary's decision-making abilities, and her integrity and honesty intact.I am indeed drawing a line - between casual sex and a loving relationship - which is the implicit (although not explicit) dichotomy posed in the original message.
Re. the dispersion of hex 59 Wilhelm writes "here the subject is the dispersing and dissolving of divisive egotism". What is the experience that dissolves one in the world - casual sex, or love?
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