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Hi!

I aksed you already about the situation with my appartement...it really doesn't look good, I lost the lawsuit, they ruled without me and the court decision is that I must move out!
That is becasue I was absent form my country and my friends missed the court mail to which my lawyer could not respond.

I am devastated...
The only chance is to prove that I was out of the country and I couldn't reply to the mail.
But who knows if they will accept it.

I aksed Yi Jing: how is this situation with the appartement going to evolve?
I got: 59.2.5 turning into 23

Line 2 is saying to me that I should connect with people? I feel terribly alone, there is no one.
Line 5 is saying that I have a right person who can help me clear this mess - that is my lawyer, I have a very good lawyer.
So, what I am getting is that I should not be alone and that I have the person to help me out.

But what about 23!!? I read somewhere that it can also indicate that the situation got as bad as possible and now it can only go up.
Or is this only my wishful thinking and I should be prepared for the worst?

Please, help me here, I am so scared.

Thanks!
 

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Moonrise a long time ago, maybe 4 months, I'm sure I remember you posting about a decision you had to make about whether you should go abroad or stay in your apartment.

Your dilemma was that you wanted very much to see your friends abroad, perhaps your homeland, but you did not want to lose your appartment. Even then there were things happening around the flat.

I'm sure I recall many of us advising you stay. I don't bring this up just to be annoying, I bring it up to point out I think at one time you made a clear decision about what you valued most and you decided to go abroad even though you knew it may create a problem with your accomodation.

I think its important to recognise that the choice you made clearly shows what you valued most and certainly where your heart lies. Its important to recognise you valued visiting your friends far above the threat of losing your flat.
This wasn't a misfortune that suddenly happened, you were always aware of the possibility of it.

Seemed to me then and now you really want to be living in that other country. Of course I've no idea of your circumstances or why you had to leave that country where the people you love are - its very hard if you had no option.

I'm trying to say that you are not such a victim of circumstance as perhaps you think. Maybe you put yourself in this position because deep down you don't want to live in this place where the appartment is.

I'm aware that my answer might be annoying, and also completely wrong, so forgive me in advance.

I kinda see the Yis answer to you as meaning the appartment situation is disintegrating and you need to go to what supports you, maybe in your homeland ? I guess thats rather bias though because of my understanding of your situation, others may well see it quite differently.
 
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Dear Moonrise,
i'm not sure I clearly understand your situation. Are you saying that you have an apartment in your home country but that you are out of that country now, visiting, and that while you were away some sort of legal notice was sent to your apartment and becuase you are out of the country you didn't receive it and so now you are being evicted, unless your lawyer can convince the courts you really are out of the country? Would that be hard to prove? Or are you concerned that no matter how deserving you may be, one never knows what the judge will decide?
Anyway, I have to agree 23 doesn't look good, but then I also agree it could mean that after imagining the worse, good times will return.
My own track record with using the I Ching to predict actual events hasn't been all that great. Even though one may have been right 1,000 times, you can always be wrong on the next toss. So even when it tells me what I want to hear I am not able to be so reasured that I don't also plan for emergencies. I get better results asking the I Ching for Guidance rather than Predictions. As it does sound like you are at the end of your tether thinking about all the unknowns, maybe you would get help asking for some Guidance, such as, "What is the best thing / situation for me to focus on right now?" Maybe the IChing will emphasize something about the apartment situation or maybe it will encourage you to think about something totally unrelated, but hopefully it will help you to get in a calm place where you will not be feeling so distraught.
Hint: Try discribing your experience in ways that encourage calm and success. For example, rather than asking, "Should I prepare for the worst"? ask "What sort of change should I prepare for?' It sounds trivial, but the way you word a question or how you talk to yourself can make a differance.

Again, wishing you the best,
rosada
 

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Hi!
Thanky for your answers!

Void, I am very sorry, but your answer is biased and in a tone of "I told you so" which is totally inappropriate.
Of course I didn't want to loose my appartmenet, who would want anything like that?!
But I am not willing to put my life on hold because of these issues. Yes, I did refuse to wait with my life until everything gets resolved because court issues can take years!
And I consulted my lawyer whether I could go and she said it was perfectly fine. I asked specifically: under these circumstances, is it okay for me to go? She said it was perfectly fine just don't miss any mail.
Everything was perfectly arranged, the mistake was done by my friend who had the notice, took it from my mail, but didn't notify me. Why? Because he wasn't thinking! I told all of them how important it was to make sure the notice reaches my lawyer and everybody was doing a very good job.
He failed.
That's the issue. It is a human mistake.
And all the "esoteric" speculation that subconsciously I am sabbotaging my own legal issue because I don't want to live here, are, excuse-me, a little ridiculous. I just refused to put my life on hold. I do not regret going because it was extremely good for me to be there.


Rosada,
thank you for your words...I was away from my country and at this time the notice came. I was not aware of what was going on, I came now and discovered this mess. The thing is that if you do not answer the lawsuit when you are being sued, it goes on automatically as if you were admiting everything and they decide without your presence. My friend picked the notice from my mail but never told me that something came, so my lawyer was not aware that something is going on although we were waiting for it.
Of course my lawyer will contradict the verdict and try to undermine it, saying that I didn't know what was happening and so we have to go to the initial state and start everything all over again.
The thing is, that I have a good cause and I could win this battle over my appartement. Now we have to show that I didn't recieve the mail so I couldn't respond so we can start again.

I followed your advice and I asked Yi Jing: what should I do regarding this situation with my appartement?
I got 5.1.4 changing int0 28

It seems this is going to burden me still...I am afraid of the line 4 in hex 5. It predicts something horrible?? Or just that I feel totally hopeless? Can you please comment?

And then I asked also, as you advised: What sort of change I should prepare for?
I got 53.1.4 changing into 13.

the changing lines seems to describe my situation...I am not settled and I am not in a proper space.
What does 13 say in this situation??

Can you help with your input, please?

Thank you!
 

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and P.S.

The thing I dread the most is that they will just come and evict me forcefully. I just wait that somebody knocks on my door.

I know Yi Jing is not meant to answer questions like this, but I did ask in order to see what it show regarding this specific question, what guidance it gives me.

I asked: will they evict me from my appartment?

I got: 37.1.5.6. turning into 15
37 is about family and how it can stay firm...5 and 6 are about having succes in maintaing it. Is this showing that despite the difficulties, I will manage to keep my home, stay where I am?

Please, say something about this.

Thank you.
 

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I did also a computer reading, I asked: how it looks like regarding the eviciton?
I got 13.3 -> 25
What I noticed is that line 3 is saying: for three years he makes no demonstration.

Is that showing that I still have some time and they will not come and knock on my door so soon?
25 is saying that I cannot predict when it will happen, I guess, which is true. I am dreading the moment and for me it can happen just out of the blue.

But not at least for "three years"


Does this mean that at least for now I can sleep peacefully? Really, because I am afraid of the morning, I am just waiting for the police. And I am afraid to leave the appartment, so they don't come while I am not here.

I guess this is really becoming the hex 28, I am being overburdened. But please, give me your inputs.
 
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Hi Moonrise,
Which translation are you using? I am looking at the Wilhelm version. The comments seem to make particular sence regarding your situation:

What should I do in regards this situation with my apartment?
5.1
Continue to lead a regular life as long as possible.
5.4
Stand fast and let fate take it's course. this composure, which keeps us from aggravating the the trouble by anything we might do, is the ONLY way of getting out of the danger.

28. Be unconcerned, even if you must give up everything.

In otherwords, be cool. Don't over react. Don't exhaust yourself. You may lose your apartment but if you can keep your calm, you wont lose your soul.
These hexagrams are not saying you will lose the apartment, only telling you to chill, because it's not the end of the world even if you do.

Personally I think IC is telling you that unless you can have an attitude of calm about this, you will attracked the worse. Like, if you tell your lawyer, "I have total faith in you!" perhaps he'll be more inspired than if you say, "Oh, Disaster!" encouraging him to figure, "What the heck, she's already willing to accept failure, why knock myself out?"


What sort of changes should I prepare for?
53.1.4 Says to me that you should anticipate you may indeed be moving to a new apartment but while your situation is awkward, you will get your balance and be okay.

13. Fellowship. Perhaps this is reassuring you you will make new friends and have a support group if you must relocate to new surroundings.

It occurs to me that while it was no fun reading Void's reminder of your earlier conversations, perhaps it would be useful to consider Void's point that you made some major decisions based on wanting to have new friends. Your key INTENTION in staying was to have positive friendships. Although things have played out differently than you would have planed, perhaps the ultimate result of these changes is that you will indeed relocate and - lo and behold! - will attract a really great group of -ahem! - maybe even RELIABLE - friends! Wouldn't THAT be a welcome change?

Bottom line, although it's no fun, I think the I Ching is encouraging you to stay calm, the changes ahead could actually be for the better.

Best!
Rosada
 

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Moonrise

"Void, I am very sorry, but your answer is biased and in a tone of "I told you so" which is totally inappropriate."

Rubbish. Void was being careful and considerate in what he had to say, and what he had to say was an insight that he really wanted to share with you cuz he thought it might help. He outlined some history and identified functional values that are at work in you these days. And you call his comments 'inappropriate'! You want to know what's inappropriate? What's inappropriate is your describing his speculations as 'ridiculous'. *That's* inappropriate. You wanna come here and ask for help with your problems? Then learn some manners.
 

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Thank you Rosada!

I will try to stay calm...the thing I am worried the most is because I have animals, I have cats. Nobody will accept me with my cats and I care for them a lot. I don't know where to put them. And I don't want to part from them.

As far as friends are concerned - I feel totally alone. My friends are in that place were I just came from. And probably I will not see them for a very very long time now.
I think I will have to give up and loose many things I truly care for. Loosing this appartement means loosing the way to be with people I love, because if I don't have the basic security I cannot do anything.
I feel terrible but I will try to accept things as they are.

Thank you for your help!
 

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Dear Moonrise,

I'm sorry that you feel so alone. It sounds as though you are missing the physical closeness of a friendship - someone to give you a hug when you feel as though things are going down the pan. If I were there that's what I would do but I'll send a virtual hug instead


If you look at what is important to you in this is it the actual appartment or the location of the appartment? I may be wrong but I get the feeling that it's the place that you live - as in the <u>town/city</u> not the <u>place</u> that is important. I sometimes see hex 5 when I get it as almost a shift of perspective. It's almost like it says 'fine, it seems as though there really isn't much you can do in THIS situation (to do with the appartment) so you'll have to wait' But, not as in stand still and take what's coming. See if there are little preparations that can help you along a sideways path and make you feel a whole lot better about the situation. Have you thought of as well as handing this over to you're lawyer, also doing a spot of appartment hunting? I know it's difficult when you have pets but are there some out there that accept them? Or how about giving your friends that live near you the opportuinty to display their friendship and how much they care for you - if you tell them the issues will they help in finding you somewhere else or even put you up for a little while if this does all go to pot? That way if the worst comes to the worst then you will be 'unconcerned' as Rosada says because you will have the faith that you will not be destitute and if everything works itself out with the lawyer then you have found some nice things out about your friends that are closer (in distance!)


Good luck babes. Every cloud has a silver lining - you never know - maybe you'll end up in a much nicer appartment that's cheaper than the place that you are at the moment and without all this hassle! Either that or maybe you'll find that there are people that are around you that are willing to display how much they care about you and give you some support.

Loads of love
Nicky
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Hi Nicky!

Thank you very much for your words and the hug


The thing is that in this appartement I live for free because it is mine (well, it is supposed to be mine, that is what the legal battle is about). I don't pay any rent or something.
There is no way to rent an appartement for me. It is way to costly for my income. Even here in this one, which is for free, I have problems with the bills. I don't have a regular job or something, there is no way for me to be able to afford an appartement for rent.

I live with two roomates (I rent the rooms) and I have problems with this, too. Because even before my return home, both of them were gone...one in a mental hospital, one needs to move out very quickly because of the troubles with the law. Yes, we are a good company indeed!
My roomates gone, that means no rent for me and no sharing of expenses which for me is impossible. I cannot pay all those bills alone, I will have to find somebody to live with me.
But regarding the situation, I am not even sure to put an add...
Maybe hex 13 was saying that soon some new friends will be coming, maybe that meant my new roomates.

I talked to my lawyer; she said that although this situation is extremely difficult, we continue to fight and chances are good. We have to show that I was out of the country and I couldn't respond to the lawsuit and so the process must be reversed. I never recieved any mail, any letter, there is no signature of mine on any of those documents...so this should work.
For now she suggested me to rest and stay calm. She will urgently intervene in the process and claim that the verdict is not legal since I knew nothing about it.

But still the appartment remains a heavy weight over me...Not just because of this situation but the appartement itself. It is costly and too big for me alone. I need roomates, I cannot handle this appartment alone. Yesterday I was lying in bed and I was feeling as if the walls and ceiling were squeezing me...Really as the hex 28 suggests! It was way over my head, almost literally. Me, alone and small, and then this huge appartment (it is not so big, but it felt so) just terrorizing me, how to maintain it, how to afford it, all the bills... This appartement is too much for me. But it is the only thing I have. I hope I win this case and then I either meet my prince charming and share it with him
) or I sell it and buy a smaller one.
But for now I hope that some new friend will come to live with me, but I cannot do anything now, even the last roomate hasn't moved out completely.

I hope everything settles. I feel calmer now, the lawyer reassured me a bit.

I have good friends...they helped me, even this one who did this horrible mistake of not telling about the notice. He is not a jerk, this was just a human mistake.
But I don't feel safety with them, they are not my family. They know what is happening and we talk about it, but it doesn't help me to feel secure. They don't know how to reassure, they don't give me a hug
...well, what can they do? I still feel alone.

Thanks for "listening"
And thanks for friendly words. I am not thinking about the move now so much. The lawyer said to go ahead and find new roomates - this seems more of a trouble now.
 
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Hi Moonrise

Just in case the comment could be useful

Re-read all the questions/answers related to the situation.

Is constantly the need to find helpers. You always understand that as your lawyer. I guess here is another kind of helpers needed.

The first time I interpreted an answer of this topic, I say clearly that you need to be aware that trying to get the property of the appartment would lead you to emotional tension.

This is not an "I told you", like judgeging you. Only a suggestion: learn from the hole answers.

There are some constantly issues to be learned.

Best wishes
 

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Hi, Jesed,

you are right here...I do need to learn something from this.
I admit, I am too afraid to go and read all the answers and questions...what if I find something very stressful and I start panicking all over again?

I am a drama queen, you know


But you made a good point..."helpers". Now I feel that this could mean that I simply cannot handle this appartement alone, not just as far as this legal battle is concerned, but the appartement itself. It is swallowing me. I need people inside to live with me. Although at the moment I do enjoy being alone. Well, untill the bills come


The lesson here? I feel it is to feel safe no matter what happens. There is certainly some huge lesson here
I am not a very grounded person and for me it is very difficult to stand for myself. This is forcing me to do that and not quit.
As far as helpers are concerned...now I feel it might be just about not to feel so alone. To find people who are there for me.

But this might be just my feeling.

Thanks for your answer!
 

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Moonrise

As I was reading this thread I randomly opened a book by Paulo Coelho The words on the page seemed appropriate to your situation and I felt urged to share them with you.

" A warrior knows that his best teachers are the people with whom he shares the battlefield.
It is dangerous to ask for advice. It is even more dangerous to give advice. When he needs help, he tries to see how his friends resolve - or fail to resolve - their problems.
If he is in search of inspiration he reads on the lips of his neighbour the words that his guardian angel is trying to say to him.
When he is tired or lonely, he does not dream about distant men and women; he turns to the person beside him and shares his sorrow or his need for affection with them - with pleasure and without guilt.
A warrior knows that the farthest-flung star in the Universe reveals itself in the things around him. "

I hope that you find the support and strength to improve your situation with regards to the appartment.

Love and Peace

Mike
 
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beautifulwords from Coehlo.

I took a seat in a diner recently and discovered I was sitting back to back with a wonderful teacher-spirtual mentor hadnt seen in years. I did not say hello, and he didint see me. but i heard snatches of his conversation with a woman. what the lady was saying could have been my words, and I listened attentively to what my friend would respond. He said to her :you always have a BUT after knowing what you need to do. she knew she needed to make change...BUT..she had reasonable rationale as to why she could not act. It was a timely message...for me, indirect, but also very direct.
Coehlo says that..........the universe is always supplying the answers, happenstance is a form of divination.

and this man, of all people, to be sitting there, he was my most significant teacher for many years. there he was still teaching me and I had only been open to the mad urge for a cheesburger, something quite foreign to my diet, but craved from a soul starved for grounding, for the meat of my life, and how I need to transform it into what I need, with No BUTs. deciding to go slip in to a strange never frequented diner got me red meat, and the meat of the basic question I needed answered.
 

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Micheline, I think you should have acknowledged your presence to your former teacher, if he was so significant to you. But despite that, your action has this value for me - it's going to change my own behavior when I'm in public from now on. After this, when I'm having a conversation with someone, I'll consider that there might be another someone listening in on the conversation. Aside from God, I mean. There might also be someone pretending not to eavesdrop on the conversation.
 
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Dobro, I would certainly have announced my presence, except that the reason I was there ws because I had taken the day off for a severe back spasm and had just come from s treatment. I was feeling very weak and not in the mood to talk. when i sat down he was deep in conversation. I am going to write him and tell him how I was assited by that encounter and I know that he will be delighted. His favorite saying was "Be open to the magic of Life's design"
Dont be so smug
 

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I wasn't being smug. I was being judgemental.

Don't jump to conclusions.
 

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But I'm glad you're going to write to him. I like the upfrontness of it.

I'm still being judgemental. I'm just being positively judgemental lol.
 

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Hi Mike,

there is truth in Coehlo's words...
I have to go step by step.

best wishes,
moonrise
 
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Dear Micheline,

So sorry to read of about the back pain. I hope you are feeling better now. In the future I hope you'll give yourself permission to evesdrop without having to have the Universe knock you out first.

;-) Rosada
 

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Hi Moonrise,

I came into this discussion late and do not know all the details into your problem. I'm not offering any new interpretation here. I just want to offer my support here. I was reading your call-for-help post and thought, hey, I've been there before!

I understand the feeling that there's this huge weight over your head. Just remember, even if you feel physically alone, it's still good to keep interacting with other people via other means (e.g., this forum). Hopefully, reading other people's interpretations give you some strength that you need.

Hi Micheline,

I'm sorry to hear about your back problem. Good luck with the treatment.

Philippa
 

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Hi Phillipa,

thank you for the support. Yes, it helps a lot to interact with people, even on the internet.
To discuss interpretations is a BIG help.

Thank you again!

moonrise
 

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