60.2 < 3

[canislulu]

I am exploring this reading and would like to hear the experience and insight of others with/on this line.

:bows:

 

[Trojina]

I think it can relate to being too fearful about expressing your self in some way. That can mean holding back too much when you need to speak or act. Presumably it wouldn't always be fear that makes one hesitate when one really would do well to act, but there is an excessive caution that can come from fear of how one might be received. 'Not going out of the courtyard' is a mistake here. Going out of your courtyard = extending oneself into the outer world/ to another person. Hence this is a roundabout way of encouragement to come forth, show yourself, extend yourself, do not let apprehensions inhibit you unduly.


I might look at the line pathway to see the 'inner story'

It goes

60.2
3.2
4.5
59.5

Perhaps 3.2 and 4.5 give a feel of not being ready ? But in fact you are ready to extend yourself and your horizons.

I've always found it pretty straight forward...but generally it shows up with 60.1 too ! That seems to happen so often to people. Then it appears to be very much to do with timing.

In 60.2 you need to make sure your timing is well tuned enough to know when to go forth. It's not like you are giving everything you have like in 59.5. Since this is 60 I feel this is measured going forth.

 

[canislulu]

Trojina, all of your comments are helpful. What is standing out for me is "make sure your timing is well tuned enough to know when to go forth...... this is measured going forth." This gives the line a broader flavor than simply "she who hesitates is lost".

"A measured going forth" feels less urgent than "watch out! you might miss the opportunity at hand!" Perhaps there is more urgency if one receives this in a daily reading where the action needed may present itself in a limited time. Perhaps in the context of a yearly reading there would be less urgency.

And as it is Measuring's Sprouting -- it could be more about articulating the beginning of a project.

The text is interesting to me in terms of its location in the lower trigram which I sometimes think of as being the place of inner action or change. "Not going of the the gate from the courtyard" sounds like such an outer action or change. I am wondering if the line sometimes indicates an inner change in terms of getting outside the "box" of thinking learned from our family --- be it a biological family or an educational or professional "family".

 

[canislulu]

If the "shadow" hexagram of Hex 60 is 5, then the thing that one might be tempted to do but advised not to do is "wait". Line 2 of Hex 60 would perhaps especially be "Don't Procrastinate!"

 

[canislulu]

I have been looking at the visual aspects of hexagram 60 and hexagram 3.

If the top yin line in H60 are two eyes then it looks like there is an open mouth on top of a chin (the bottom yang line being the chin.) When H60 changes to H3 it looks like the mouth is open wider so that the chin disappears.

This seems to reflect Trojina's comment about the need to speak. When H60 changes to H3 the mouth is open wider and the words come out.

The words "come out of the gate from the courtyard."

I wonder how the text became "Not going out of the gate from the courtyard. Pitfall." Instead of simply advise, "Go out of the gate from the courtyard." Does anyone know or have a guess?

 

[canislulu]

Does anyone know or have a guess?

 

[Trojina]

If the top yin line in H60 are two eyes then it looks like there is an open mouth on top of a chin (the bottom yang line being the chin.) When H60 changes to H3 it looks like the mouth is open wider so that the chin disappears.

This seems to reflect Trojina's comment about the need to speak. When H60 changes to H3 the mouth is open wider and the words come out.

Mmm it doesn't reflect my comment it's just your association. The 'need to speak' was merely an example of 'going forth' heading out....leaving your courtyard and so on.

You can 'see' hexagrams in any way that occurs to you....just as you can with divination via the clouds or wotnot. If it is your answer then sometimes such association is useful and sometimes it is not. If you think 60>3 looks like a mouth opening then that's your own association which might be useful to you.

Anyone can use visual associations for their answer, according to what stands out for them. Not that long ago in CC I saw hex 12 as a tooth...That doesn't mean hexagram 12 is all about teeth..or that anyone else would see how I came to conclusions about the state of the tooth (there were moving lines). I think if a visual message comes over strongly to you from the hexagram, what it looks like, then use it as one tool amongst many.

You can make the water trigram into eyes...or waves on the sea or...well anything where you see a resemblance. If it's helpful to understanding your answer use it as just one added dimension for interpretation.

The text is interesting to me in terms of its location in the lower trigram which I sometimes think of as being the place of inner action or change. "Not going of the the gate from the courtyard" sounds like such an outer action or change. I am wondering if the line sometimes indicates an inner change in terms of getting outside the "box" of thinking learned from our family --- be it a biological family or an educational or professional "family".

I think it could do yes.

 

[Trojina]

I wonder how the text became "Not going out of the gate from the courtyard. Pitfall." Instead of simply advise, "Go out of the gate from the courtyard." Does anyone know or have a guess?

I imagine we can only speculate. Hilary wrote a few recent blog posts in CC about the relationship between the text and the trigrams and speculates upon how they came be. Linking...here's one
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/entry.php?302-Starting-to-wonder...oh just noticed you were already on the other blog post.

 

[canislulu]

Trojina, thank you for referring me to the Ug and Uggette blog which is a nice complement to the trigram blog. And now I am considering how seeing H60 as the middle son over the youngest daughter could shed light on a reading. When the second line of H60 changes it could certainly lead to a Sprout(H3) or two, e.g., the oldest son and the second son if twins resulted from the venture outside the gate (cave?).

Perhaps we need more than one type of "rating" for threads.