61.1.2.5 to 23 Why So Mean?

[dancing white ferret]

Hello Everyone, it's 61 again. I checked this one out in the hexagram index... It's 61.1.2.5 changing to 23... I found some good threads on this, but am still torn on the meaning. I asked "Why was X so mean to me today?" What I see here is 2 possibilities, and I'm leaning more toward one... I'm very curious to get some other view points. Insights are greatly appreciated here. Am stuck home depressed with sciatic nerve pain, so very active on Clarity lately. Anxiously awaiting your thought provoking responses.
Thanks as always,
:bowsWF:bows:

 

[Lavalamp]

Sexual tension, and he doesn't like it? <jk>

 

[dancing white ferret]

That could be actually...

 

[Lavalamp]

61.1.2.5 I love this hexagram, I wrote a song about line 2.

It sounds like someone hears your inner song, it's attractive but he doesn't feel totally comfortable with it, he doesn't know you well and wonders about your intentions. But there is connection related to the truth.

So the person needed to 23 create a bit of space, he could hear your song everywhere and maybe needed some quiet and alone time.

 

[dancing white ferret]

Oh, yes! Thank you Lavalamp. I had not seen it that way at all. He is purposely tring to create space... That makes sense. He was complaining about all my stuff and said, "Everywhere I turn its you all over the place!" And he looked like he was going to cry... Starts to make these obnoxious aninmal noises when he gets frustrated... "Ghrrrrr". And "Raaaahhh" So dramatic... He said some really inappropriate things, including an off color comment about my natural aroma, which I can't smell. Said I smell " musky." I've been complemented for my natural fragrance in the past by boyfriends and even some friends, who have noticed and said I always smell "good." But I guess since he is claustrophobic, to him it smells intrusive and weiRd ... Joining Clarity has caused me to realize just how much I have in common with the ferret... All the talk of ferrets the avatar has initiated. Explaining to people what ferrets are like like I'm describing myself. Even have my own distinct odor apparently, just like a ferret. And some other things said I won't repeat... It's just too much. I am surprised about the unsure of my intentions part, but I think I know what that's about actually. And also surprised he doesn't feel like he knows me that well. Could be. He is weird. Oh, I see where you figured that. That makes sense too, actually. He doesn't get me. I'm an enigma to him I think. Well done Lavalamp:bows:! I am wondering what kind of connection these lines usually refer to. Someone on an old thread mentioned kindred spirit or "soul mate". I know he is not the one, not my true soul mate, but he comes up in readings with those kinds of signs sometimes. Poser. It's very frustrating! We're both Jupiterians and have some past life connection. Thank you so much Lavalamp. I was thinking along those lines, but I think knowing the situation was skewing things, and would never have seen those details. And, answered my real questionn which was about how he feels about me. Thanks again

 

[Lavalamp]

Be careful. 23 is also a breakup hexagram, a splitting away of what is not necessary or of core meaning between 2. The roof shatters the house collapses. It could be parts of ourselves, or for a period of time, but it does mean things are going to change one way or another. But in the context of the rest, I thought it less final a situation than ending the relationship, he is attracted to your inner song.

Yi advises there's not a lot you can do about it but accept the time humbly, and give generously to people below you to expand your foundation.

 

[dancing white ferret]

We broke up in October, but are living together. I move out on Wed. I'm not sure if we will sill be friends, although that was originally the plan. And he has been more volatile since the move date has been set. Really unpleasant sometimes, and then very nice. Part of me would like to think he will miss me a little, and I thought maybe this reading implied that. But, I am not counting on it. Might imply the connection we had is ending completely. I'm just going to go with the flow, and we'll see what happens after some time has passed. My gut feeling says he will keep in touch, even if not much at first.

 

[precision grace]

Are you sure he wants you to move out? Maybe he is not happy that you've broke up? Dunno..just a thought..

 

[dancing white ferret]

He definitely wants me to move out, but I don't think he's happy about it either. Very duallistic Libra.

 

[dancing white ferret]

And just to fill in some blanks about the story, in how it relates to this reading...

He's unsure of my intentions...

I think this may be referring to that he thinks I still want to be with him. Also, I'm still very nice to him although he has been very disagreeable, and sometimes downright nasty. He finds this difficult to fathom, and doesn't understand what my motivation is in doing this. In his mind it must be because I still want a romantic involvement with him. I think sometimes he even thinks of the whole "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" idea. Like I have some plan to get revenge on him, so I'm just pretending to be his friend. What a nut! I just thought it would be nice to stay friends because we do have a natural compatibility, and the truth is, our relationship is kind of unique. Especially for him. Actually, I only wanted to be friends when we met, and I really wish that was how we kept it.

And, he feel like he doesn't know me...

Clearly he doesn't feel like he knows me well. There is a lot of negative Scorpio energy in him, and he is very spiteful sometimes. And really not capable of unconditional love. In conversation, he has spoken about the idea of unconditional love like one might talk about rocket science. There are pictures of outer space, so rocket science must be a real thing, but I have no real understanding of it. He keeps trying to figure me out, but he can't.

Thanks again everyone for reading and contributing :bows:

 

[precision grace]

OMG a Scorpio!! How dare you even consider leaving him, of course he will be nasty... :/

 

[Lavalamp]

OMG a Scorpio!! How dare you even consider leaving him, of course he will be nasty... :/

HEY!!!!!!

 

[Lavalamp]

DWF, going off book here, considering the him "feeling he doesn't know you and this makes him uneasy" part of your reading, and your other reading about what's wrong with you which I read as you being a traditional woman - well you are living with the guy and you're unemployed. Kinda like a traditional woman who is supported by a man, in some ways it has that kind of feel to the guy?

Maybe he feels he needs someone he can go into battle with that will have his back, rather than someone he has to support and protect.

Just a thought.

 

[Lavalamp]

Also off book - If he's a scorpio he's going to miss you, scorpios have long memories and are deeply emotional and sentimental. If you bear with his barbs, and he'll probably be a loyal friend and allie later on. He's just going to need a little aftercare - as will you.

 

[precision grace]

HEY!!!!!!

like I'm wrong (I spoketh from the long and extensive personal experience here my shady friend..ohh look at that pun I just did)

 

[dragona]

Hi there,
sorry for not following your threads here, been consumed with my own angry 16 feeling...as you put that you are deffinitively leaving, hex 23 is the situation but the inner truth is that he is in turmoil, trying to work things out for himself, feeling the connection and need to hinder it...it is very frustrating,a s you probabily can tell..
Anger shows that he is not over the issue and neither are you, I gather.
But nine in the fifth place means:
He possesses truth, which links together.
No blame
Hope all goes as well as it can. take care, d.

 

[dancing white ferret]

Thanks Lavalamp. Your insights are uncanny, as usual:bows:.

Technically, I'm actually not unemployed... I'm between jobs. I feel unemployer, and have no reliable income. I had a job, but I just didn't like it, and am switching to something new. The pay here leaves something to be desired as well though, and I'm looking for other work. He hasn't done much supporting or protecting, believe me... He pays most of the rent, along with our room mate, and that was an arrangement made at his insistence, but I've given a portion. And I've contributed quite a lot financially and otherwise. Grocery shopping, payed to have his computer fixed, bought him this chair he wanted when he started getting back pain, a new Sonicare toothbrush so he would stop using mine, extra shaker cups so we would both have them (and of course he has damaged or confiscated all of them for himself)... But, I'm not even going to go there.

The Whole Story (if your interested)

I had a different job, which payed better, but not as much as I could be making. He more than supported me leaving, he encouraged it, saying he would help me out til I found my footing in sales, which basically involved him doing nothing more than paying the same amount of rent he was already paying before I moved in. That lasted 2 months! And he said "You have to take care of yourself. I just can't support you anymore." I see what you are saying, and he may be thinking along those lines, but not with any valid reasoning. It's actually the other way around, and the truth is I really could have used a little support to get me through this past year.

My experience suggests that it's not so much that he doesn't want someone to depend on him as it is he doesn't want to give anything. Doesn't understand team work. He has a very tit for tat mentality, and can't do anything without throwing it in your face, no matter what you've done for him. He even likes to divide up things like the dishes so everyone does "their own." He'll eat what you cook, and won't help clean a single dish, saying "I didn't cook it." Says he didn't ask for you to cook for him. But if you don't cook for him, he'll pick half the food off your plate. I've freely given quite a lot in this relationship, only to be repeatedly be met with this attitude, and it's been exhausting. One can't have a happy relationship when someone is keeping checks and balances on every menial task. I've never seen someone do so little for me, and complain so much about it.

The End...

I know his warped mind sees things this way though, and there are some things I should do to maintain my independence better in the future. But this dependency didn't arise due to a need, it was a choice, and my mistake was trusting him. Sorry to go on this way, but that is something that has really gotten under my skin with him... BTW, he's not a sun Scorpio. He's a Libra, but has a lot of Scorpio in his chart. Moon, Venus, Uranus, and something else. And has been warned about his Scorpion tendencies by my friend who is clairvoyant (and also a Scorpio). Said they don't suit him, he needs to foster his Libra Sun. Seems like he's only got the Scorpion faults:demon:. The truth is, I don't think he will need much aftercare. And I'd like to think he will be a loyal friend and ally later, and I've certainly seen that he can be a good friend, but if we do keep in touch I have a feeling we will just grow apart anyway. I cast this last night for

"What will X actually do once I move out with respect to our relationship"

and I got 25.2.5>38

And the truth is, I just want to know what to expect from him. I'm certainly not going to be crushed if we don't stay friends. I'd like to be a friend to him, but if it isn't something he is going to value or put effort in for, I'd rather just make a clean break.

 

[dancing white ferret]

Thanks Dragona, he's been torn about this from go, I think. And has created a lot of inner turmoil for him. So, Precision Grace, you weren't wrong. There is an element of that here. Part of him doesn't want me to move. Actually, I'm really looking forward to getting away on with my life. I'm over the issue, in so much as I want to move, but I suspect it will be a difficult transition too. Like I said, dualistic Libra.

 

[Lavalamp]

Anti Scorpio prejudice, Precision Grace! If drew conclusions as you do, based on ex's, people would accuse me of Gingerism! (Anti-Redhead prejudice, for non-UK types.)

 

[precision grace]

Anti Scorpio prejudice, Precision Grace! If drew conclusions as you do, based on ex's, people would accuse me of Gingerism! (Anti-Redhead prejudice, for non-UK types.)

Ahem, is that gingerism or anti-gingerism? You are clearly a male scorpio Lavalamp. You have repeatedly demonstrated a Scorpio trait of uncanny insight by very astute readings for many people for example which is really an awesome thing about you. You don't have to take my anti-Scorpio prejudice personally though


Dancing White Ferret

Thank you for sharing your story and I am sorry to hear you are in that situation. I really don't know why you want to be friends with someone so petty and self absorbed!? I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you that you get the job you really want and find a new someone who will treat you with respect, care and love because you DESERVE that. Remember, you said that to me once, and I felt that you just got it because you were in a similar place so now I am telling you.

 

[dancing white ferret]

Lavalamp is a man! DOH... Clearly... I'm so oblivious sometimes. You are so good with the IC, I assumed you must be female... But it is just your Scorpionic intuition delving into the depths of IC's message. Never would have guessed it. A man. Well... this is awkward. I'm going to go cry in the shower now...

 

[dancing white ferret]

Thanks Precision Grace... You're so right. Should take my own darn advice... Time to stop worrying about Mr. Wrong and start moving on to Mr. Right, or Mr. Good Enough... Whichever shows up first (jk). Well, I guess that was what I needed to hear. Feel much better. Thanks Precision Grace ...

 

[dancing white ferret]

BTW, Lavalamp, sorry for the confusion about my employment state. Did not mean to mislead you. The truth of my employment state currently is really too complicated right now to sum up as employed or unemployed, but if one of those applied, unemployed would be the winner by a landslide.
As you can see, from the extremely long explanation earlier regarding this posting, the whole situation right now is extremely complicated, and easy to go on at length about. So, I've been trying to keep it simple. But you keep figuring out all these little things, making it difficult not to bring the details into the picture. Thanks, again for your insights. Has given me a different perspective on the traditional woman reading, 2>8.

 

[Lavalamp]

Hey, today I noticed I became a "Member"! Yay.

I have been doing castings for myself since a teen but not for others much. Still no expert, but I try to find the narrative thread connected to the question, sometimes looking at the "negative space" in the picture helps. When my intuition kicks in strongly it makes me very nervous, but when you ask a reader what they see I think it requires more than a scholarly analysis, you need your gut in the process, you're talking to a real person with a real situation. So I shoot from the hip like Willowfox used to and I think the simplicity and brevity of form helps the querent. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I say what I see best as I can and hopefully there's a little light in there that helps.

I don't want to color someone else's situation with my own of course, but on the other hand I think you need life experience - an inner grid if you will - to have a place to put the ideas, to understand them. Hey, there are people I think that can read you just by looking at you - or at your face, your hands...

Anyway, lately it has been very difficult to read for myself. So I have been trying to help others with interpreting for the sake of my own spiritual growth. So I have to say to you guys here - thanks for the help.

 

[dragona]

Hi, back.
gotten 25 just recently about someone who has some Libra qualities..uhm..
I would say it is refering to you just to stay open hearted and without any bitterness and not to worry about the past...if he can do the same, it will be a good open road for both of you.

 

[dancing white ferret]

Thank you Dragona... That is sound advice, and I'm going to do just that. I'm glad you see the reading like that. After looking at it again, I agree. I think I will need a little time to let things pass with him anyway, and at least I know he isn't being mean just to be mean or because he hates me with a passion. Maybe, after a time, we can start fresh as friends...