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Hi everyone,

I asked the YI what effect did the conversation I just had with her have on our relationship?" and received 61.2.4.5.6 > 55. It looks like a fairly positive reading. Since there are a lot of changing lines and such I'm not entirely sure what all is most important to focus on seeing as there are a variety of interpretations for a variety of different types of questions. But based on the titles it's as though focusing on inner truth (truth within the self). abundance or fullness can be reached. Thus, it is important to stay true to who I am in order to bring about the most positive circumstances perhaps?
 

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You have to dig deeper than just the names of the hexagrams. Their names are seldom their meanings.
Try asking why 61 suggests crossing the great stream and why 55 advises to not be anxious.
 
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I'm getting that her response/reaction was intense, that she feels a natural affinity toward you, but that her jury will be out awhile on you. I think she wants to see how much is talk and how much is real.
 

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I'm definitely aware that things go way beyond the title of a hexagram or line. Those two titles just caught my attention. It would seem to me that crossing the great stream involves taking a risk, and in taking such a risk it is best not to be anxious and just go through it with bravery.

Interesting that you say that, sooo, that question about how much is talk and how much is real. She pretty much stated that without directly using those words. I said something that she said sounded like someone else we'd talked about who I've said that I thought was just trying to sound sweet or something. The vibe I got when that came up was her thinking "he could be doing that too, how would I know?" I'm not, but you never know I suppose. Is this reading suggesting just keeping on the path and enduring what will come, eventually working toward proving what's real?
 
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That's good that you could pick up on that, with her I mean. I think keeping it real is always best. There appears to be that 61.2 link present. It doesn't guarantee a live happily ever after happy ending, but at least it gives you each a shot at connecting.
 
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Hi,

This might sound negative but after reading the translation it sounds like this to me.

61- be careful, but dig deep. You have to earn trust and be sincere from your heart. Flow with the time.

Line 2- sounds like two people just meeting and connecting, more like friends. Seems like a secret, others don't know about.

Line 3- you have a challenger (possibly speaking of her other boyfriend)
You take on the challenge but she refuses you. You are not in the right position, you are trying too hard, she's not sure about you, and everything is uncertain.

Line 4- sounds like there's no romantic relationship, be happy with the connection you do have. If you try to pursue her further she will turn you down.

Line 5- maintain the friendship or association built on trust.

Line 6- you are not in the right position and are losing trust, no longer seem sincere. Not able to take action and the sweet words don't mean anything. Be a realist and do not pursue her.

55- maintain your brightness. Don't worry about it. If you should become full of yourself or reach too high, you will fall. So stay in the middle path and be content with that. Then you will make smooth progress.

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I started consulting Yi years ago because of a relationship (that is now gone and done), I never did learn a thing about him. Every reading I did gave me a huge insight, but because I was trying to project interpretations of my dynamic onto him it never made sense. What I did learn was to pay attention to what it meant to me. I retrospect, I did figure out some things about my partner, but more learned about myself.

Had I received this reading... I would say, core feelings (not your surface thought), bring a ton of feelings, or thoughts up. Something about what is, the underlying nature, causes bubbles on the surface. Lots of them. Truthfully, I wouldn't venture to say it were good or bad... but there are thoughts.

So, in mind, she is thinking.
 

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Hi Blue_Angel,
Interesting interpretation there. It may have some negative sound to it, but "then you will make smooth progress" could imply that being happy with the middle path could end up leading to progress in other ways? I find that when I'm happy with where things are, sometimes I end up with more than I had thought I'd ever get. I'm not sure. Either way you have a realistic sounding interpretation! :) Tonight was a bit interesting, her texting her boyfriend and conversing with me at the same time. I sensed it was getting a bit awkward with her being attracted to us both. She wanted me to not tell him (though I have no way of telling him anything at this point in time anyhow), and I'm not sure where things stand with us at this point as she sort of just disappeared and hasn't reappeared. I just asked "How should I feel about her random disappearance tonight?" and received 4 unchanging. I don't totally understand how this applies, but it seems that youthfulness either the playful side, or the side that gets into trouble without experience somehow fits.
 
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I'm sorry about that. I will dive deeper into the translations of hexagram 4. The way you see 4 sounds very optimistic but... when I get 4, its like Iching is saying to me. "You are young and ignorant, I answered already, I gave you advice, and told you how it is, but you are not ready to accept it." I also get it when I have asked too many questions about one subject. My heart aches when I get 4... and I usually go meditate. The only advice I have is to read different translations of the readings you already have. See if anything rings a bell inside you as you are reading them or... just do what you can and continue to see how it unfolds, there's something to learn I'm sure. Best of luck!

Blue_Angel
 
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The smooth progress you will make after following the advice may not be with her, but on your own, or with someone new...
 

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Hi bianatree,
Interesting interpretation. If I'm understanding you correctly, you feel this reading of 64 > 55 says something about her having a lot of feelings, needing to think about it all? That sounds really insightful. She appears to be drawn in different directions, and I feel I know the strongest one (which I think might be me) isn't the way she feels she's most able to venture at this point. She has a huge interest in her father's approval, and finds it easily with having her current boyfriend. I'm not sure if that means anything about the future, but you never know right? In looking at myself, I prefer to take whatever seems easier in life often. Taking big risks can be scary and traveling into the unknown is never a certain thing. I don't know if having an ability to relate or understand her helps me, helps our relation together, or helps anything else. But I guess it's useful to know about myself in any situation.

Blue_Angel, you're right. I have seen differing angles of hexagram 4, and one of them seems to be what you're gathering from it. There's definitely learning to be done. I just wish I could understand the assignment better so I could complete it fully. :)
 
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4 in this instance sounds like she's playing you both as fools. Some are into playing the part, some are not. Know what I'm saying? I'm casting no judgments, only making distinctions. Whatever steers yer boat.

In fairness, it sounds as though she's made no commitments to either of you, which should free her to talk with whomever, whenever she so chooses. And the same for both of you guys.
 

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She's only really said to me she doesn't know where she's going in life, and has said "I could see it going that way" referring to her and him marrying. Basically I feel she isn't 100% certain what she wants, but from my perspective she makes it seem like I really matter somehow. I don't know if I actually do, and I'm not sure the I Ching could help in that regard since it generally seems best to focus on questions about yourself and your actions/behavior. I don't know for sure, that's just what my understanding is from what I've learned of it so far. I could be taken for a fool, I'm sure it's happened before. I really do feel like she cares though. If she doesn't, I'm not sure I can really feel comfortable trusting in anyone since this has seemed pretty genuine.

I decided to ask one more question: What would be the best course to take with her? and I received hex 7, line 4, leading to 40. It looks positive, suggesting a retreat at the time being which I suppose makes sense.
 
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From looking at all your readings does it not occur to you that she may very well care for you as a friend but nothing more? It has sounded like she and him are an item. Together. She talks to you, cares for you, possibly connects with you, but not romantically? Have you not seen or read any of the warnings given? It sounds as though Iching did give you warning not to pursue her in a romantic way.
 
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She's only really said to me she doesn't know where she's going in life, and has said "I could see it going that way" referring to her and him marrying. Basically I feel she isn't 100% certain what she wants, but from my perspective she makes it seem like I really matter somehow. I don't know if I actually do, and I'm not sure the I Ching could help in that regard since it generally seems best to focus on questions about yourself and your actions/behavior. I don't know for sure, that's just what my understanding is from what I've learned of it so far. I could be taken for a fool, I'm sure it's happened before. I really do feel like she cares though. If she doesn't, I'm not sure I can really feel comfortable trusting in anyone since this has seemed pretty genuine.

I decided to ask one more question: What would be the best course to take with her? and I received hex 7, line 4, leading to 40. It looks positive, suggesting a retreat at the time being which I suppose makes sense.
I didn't really mean to imply she was being deceptive or malicious, only that she seems to want her way with both of you. As B.A. pointed out, they may be two very different ways.

7.4-40, retreating and releasing the matter, for now. However, 7 does involve strength as well as leadership, so I don't read it as hopeless. Strength knows when to hold back, and when to advance at the right times.
 

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It's true that maybe she wants it to be friendship, as that would definitely be easiest for her if it were kept as friendship at this time. She may or may not have it in her head that if she keeps me as a friend for now, things could change in the future if she wants them to. That could happen unless she wanted more and I wanted friends when that time emerges. I've tended to look unrealistically at readings, thinking of what I want or hope would happen so I guess that colors how I view things, sorry if I've frustrated people with that. I have seen readings that relate to leadership with regard to questions about her before. There are probably good times for it and good times for retreating too.

After a decent sleep, and thinking a little, I asked "What would be the effects of giving her space right now?" and received 38.2.4.6 to 42, which suggests it would be good for me to let her be for now and focus on being happy in and of myself.
 
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Funny, how those things come out in retrospect.

I asked "What would be the effects of giving her space right now?" and received 38.2.4.6 to 42, which suggests it would be good for me to let her be for now and focus on being happy in and of myself.
Sounds right to me. Let your truths bring you together, or not. You can let go of it, and if it's meant to happen, it will. You always have you to return to.
 

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Funny, how those things come out in retrospect.



Sounds right to me. Let your truths bring you together, or not. You can let go of it, and if it's meant to happen, it will. You always have you to return to.
Not sure if this changes any of my readings, but having ME to return to never seems like a good thing. I'm not an exciting person really. I feel like I have a harder time "letting go" than anyone else would. I can pay lip service to it, meanwhile clinging the whole time to what I would hope might happen, but really letting go just seems hard when I don't really feel I myself without anyone else is a good thing.
 
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Don't underestimate things like tenderness, genuineness, openness, and above all, honesty. Right now confidence isn't your strong suit, but that's cool. Many intelligent women find that cute, lol. Don't underestimate cuteness. I'm half joking. Point being, don't sell yourself short, and gals like her are less likely too also. That's 7 kinda talk.
 

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I asked what would the effects of letting go right now be on the future of my relationship with her? The result was 53.1.5 to 22. I'm a little unsure if that suggests good things/progress for me personally or if it would be talking about the relationship between her and I specifically benefiting from temporarily letting go or something. But either way it sounds like letting go is a good thing at this point in time based on a quick reading of the information around this result. Am I right?

Don't underestimate things like tenderness, genuineness, openness, and above all, honesty. Right now confidence isn't your strong suit, but that's cool. Many intelligent women find that cute, lol. Don't underestimate cuteness. I'm half joking. Point being, don't sell yourself short, and gals like her are less likely too also. That's 7 kinda talk.
Hmm, don't sell myself short. Would that be able to be translated as don't just settle? Interesting...
 
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Hi,

You do not need to apologize to us. I was not frustrated, I don't think anyone else was. You are on your path, living your own experience. We can only help with Iching interpretation. I do not think there is a right way or a wrong way. Just a learning experience, some of us have similar experience or what"seems" to be similar. That's why the thing you can work on most is reading the different translations and really getting your own feel or intuition about them. Because we could at times be wrong in our translation. When you cast the reading the Iching speaks through you and to you. So ultimately you should be able to interpret your own reading best. I have had my fair share of times that I have worn "rose colored glasses" choosing to see what I want. (Not saying that's what you've been doing). The thing is everyone has difference, some people are naturally more positive and optimistic. Doesn't make it bad or wrong. My only advice to you is, take this time to grow. Be happy with yourself, enjoy, and entertain yourself. Then you will be the best you. Sometimes when we want something so bad, its like the universe takes it from us as if to teach us not to attach or hold on so tight. What Meng said is right. If you love someone /something let it go, if its meant to be it will return. You will not have to chase it or leave your path.

Best wishes,

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It's funny that should come up because I'd like to call this "intuition" but I've had a feeling that she's "settling" and if I'm somehow doing the same then maybe I have learning to do around this in order to make any progress with anything, including possibly her. Hmm, lots to ponder here.
 

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I'm having a bit of trouble with figuring out how 2.1.2.4.6 > 38 answers the question "What should I do to figure out how/whether I am settling?". I was just reading the interpretations in Sarah Denning's book "The Everyday I Ching" and Brian Browne Walker's book "The Book of Changes: A Guide to Life's Turning Points" and while they have interesting information, I'm not sure exactly how it applies. I'm getting a vibe of keeping things low-key and genuine and going with the flow, knowing there could be opposition present to deal with along the way.

I have since felt as though I should ask if I have the necessary qualities to lead in a relationship with her and received 8.4, which is interesting because prior to that I asked the YI "Should I ask her if she is in over her head (with me and the other guy)?" and received 8.6. The way things evolved when we first came into contact wasn't planned out really well or anything and we both just went with the flow, I never really clearly was a leader toward anything in particular I just felt we'd have to meet for things to really work and I only know her online. If it has any influence on this reading, currently there's the girl, a family friend (who she hooked up with in September) and me off in another part of the continent. It could be saying that things need to change for anything to have potential between us but I'm curious if there are further thoughts from others here.
 
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