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What if God yields to the pleasure

of treating us to our moment to moment heart’s desire?

We would begin to see God as Pavlov and ourselves as his dogs.

And maybe we have become that.

Therefore has God learned to say no.​
 
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on the shirt-tail or beaver tail of that..

I recently saw a documentary on the survival of a community of beavers. And it visually reinforced my image of 39 as a potential mini-environmental creator: creators of worlds, so to speak, whose entire survival depends upon obstruction building.

So next time an ancient Egyptian tells you that the scarab beetle creates the world, tell him that's a pile of crap; the beaver does. Or, maybe the two together.
 

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on the shirt-tail or beaver tail of that..

And it visually reinforced my image of 39 as a potential mini-environmental creator: creators of worlds, so to speak, whose entire survival depends upon obstruction building.

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thats a very interesting assocciation and visual. had to google to see how beavers built.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuMRDZbrdXc ( 0ne of the vids I found) .

Being in an under construction period, I see what you mean and how 39 is about creating or re-creating a mini enviroment.

thanks for sharing. !!! :)
 
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I have been thinking a lot about hex 29 as patterns lately for some reason and seeking a way to overcome some obstractions (kind of). A longlife "patterns" has to change and I thought of 29, when i asked someone how can I create those new patterns and got as answer "repeat this many times". somedays ago, for seconds, I couldn't do a simple thing. Felt very very confused and those seconds , I didn't know what to do, because the old pattern was so strong that I had to think in order to function in a new way.

In 29 the water flows easily, forcefully sometimes, like an automatic reaction in the incindent I mention above. But on 39, we have to slow down and the obstructions , like road bumpers, forced us to do that yet progress (building) is not obstructed. I see more clearly now that 39 is another way of learning, and 39 could be a way God keeps us agile, alive and more free.

29 is the pavlov's experiment and God's "no" is the 39,in my eyes. A very thought provoking post Sooo. :bows:
 
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Thanks, Maria. Good video illustration.

The deepening water spreads to fill in holes (4), creating numerous ponds, and even expanding reaches of larger lakes by acres or even miles. These expanded fertile wetlands provide food and home to many species of plants and all manner of animals. Here, a small moose enjoys green cuisine, courtesy of the beaver clan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoixogAf5o8&NR=1 23.6?

Of course if your home happens to be on the same land, you either let it go or work to divert the flow created by the beavers. That usually means wrecking a dam or two before the water reaches your front porch. Too bad for the beavers if you want to live above water in your house. It's a battle with nature in nature, sometimes gaining an accomplishment for you and your group, and sometimes a mere capitulation with nature. Working around nature seems an art, but it's impossible to please everything all the time.
 

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a nice symbiotic relationship beetween the moose and the baver :) . I don't recall if I have say that here bfore, but there is a lady I know that when she talks about her partner she call him my "symbios". Its a beautiful word but not use often here anymore. a husband/ wife boyfriend/girlfriend etc have a different sound. But symbios, has a special magic, at least for me. It includes 31, 54, 61, 15 and many others hex. Conflicts , oppositions, differences have a different meaning , for me, in a symbiotic relationship of any kind , even the one of human and nature. And yes, its definitely an art .
 

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What if God yields to the pleasure

of treating us to our moment to moment heart’s desire?

We would begin to see God as Pavlov and ourselves as his dogs.

And maybe we have become that.

Therefore has God learned to say no.​



If dat was zo

and Pavlov's dog has taught deities how to say no

then Pavlov has successfully achieved

to in fact train a god . .

But turning round an ancient egyptian one, that'd be unforeseen

like making out of a ram's horn a brand new beam

and while of scarabs a couple things I kno

and of dam guilts I learn as I go

I'm still having some trouble to see

why beaverdog becomes so




hmm . . can anyone maybe help me now rhyme
the word of medicine thyme??
 

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ah, yes, about the beaverdog, just checked my email and found one (email) from a publishing company promoting the translation of Cesar Millan's book -maybe he can help?
 
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ah, yes, about the beaverdog, just checked my email and found one (email) from a publishing company promoting the translation of Cesar Millan's book -maybe he can help?
My teacher goes international! And why not? Dogs all speak one language.

Right now there's an obstruction between my dog and my leftover steak and rice: a closed door. Time will pass soon enough for his dinner, but not fast enough for him. chuckle... the moose must wait for the tree to fall.
 

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My teacher goes international! And why not? Dogs all speak one language.
lol sure! besides, english is not even his mother tongue . . I love his motto of 'rehabilitating animals- training humans'!
I've read he grew up in a farm, you'd think he makes a good translator of animal talk besides dog stuff

. . which reminds me of a little story I read in a thread couple of days ago . .


"A Zen Master and a Tibetan Master met in front of a big audience, guess it must have been in the sixties in San Francisco, Alan Watts told the story.

They did not discuss before what they would do on the stage (it was in a theatre hall) and they just met up for the first time in their respective live.

The Zen Master was holding up an orange and asking the Tibetan Master "What is this"? The Tibetan Master was not at least baffled or something, he was just thinking about what this Master was speaking about.

After the Zen Master repeated the question in a very demanding tone, the Tibetan Master asked his translator, now a little bit worried: "Are there no oranges where he is coming from?"



narrated by Soshin

I thought it was the perfect 'aha' handle for 38.5 but 15.5 also shines thru it in a polyglot's kind of way . .
 
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Very funny story! Perfect comparative of perspectives!

Cesar is himself about self mastery, and dogs are his best teachers. This is smilingly admits. All he does is return a dog to their natural state of mind. The ones that really need to be changed are the people. This is so hard to get through to the typically prideful dog owner, whose dog obsessively behaves badly. I have pleaded with certain dog owners to watch the Dog Whisperer, for the sake of their dog and themselves. I've offered to help socialize their dog with mine, and have had them smirk, and brag how their dog's been in three local fights already. uff... how do you train humans to tame their egos?

I've grown up with big dogs, and have come to many of the same conclusions as Cesar. What Cesar does for me is to help me see "what's really going on between a dog and me", consciously, both and foremost as a dog, then as a human. If there will be change, it must begin in me, the human.

As I'm sure you're aware, it's so much more than teaching a dog tricks or other commands. It actually teaches a dog to discern more intelligently, to lend them the benefit of reasoning , as they lend us the benefit of keener instinct. It becomes more than mere obedience, it becomes a happy oneness. With some breeds, it takes more strenuous physical activity, and that's the responsibility that their owners need to assume. All dogs, require a purpose. If we don't give them helpful ones, they will make other ways, such as obsessively barking and pulling, or taking over possession of objects or territories, such as some special ones lap, or neighborhood.

I have a friend who has a great cow herd dog, named Luna. Highly intelligent, and equally highly assertive. This makes for a pushy dog by breed. When I go to his house, I must use specific commands, of which there are many, to keep him from herding me, quite literally controlling my movement, as they would do to a cow or sheep. Really exhausting.

In contrast, there's an absolute minimum of commands for Mojo. I'd rather he learn to figure out what's right or wrong on his own, even if based on my response to it in the past. He looks to me for his example, as I look to him likewise for some things. Where commands or limits are required, such as his boundaries, they are made clear. Dogs have no difficulty understanding boundaries; quite the contrary, boundaries are very natural to them. There's no loss of face issues, unless they've been instilled by their humans. A dog's clearest understanding is perceived not by words but by the energy the human transmits. When on a leash, that leash is a hot wire to their desire to walk as one, to lead or pull, or to be led or pulled. That's why leash training is essential to establishing essential ground rules. If a dog walks, runs or even turns away while the human corrects, the dog has led and won. Repeating that process only makes it more difficult to correct. But again, it is first the human who must make the needed correction in themselves.
 

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that makes Ceasar's teaching interesting is that are really helpfull for non-dog owners too. The savage anchestors still exist inside us and boundaries is a mean to tame them, in a form of rules, tambooos, customs, morals... you name it. Something like 26.4.

the differences is how the water is restained by the dam. When not in a smart way, rehabillation is needed and this is the interesting side of hex 60, the dog's leash perhaps ?
I'm not a dog owner myself ( although i would love it ) but Ceasars ideas could be used for self-improvement, becomings our Pack Leader. Its what makes him something more than a
dog whisperer.

Someone has told me that she can see better the traits of a sign in a dog than in a person, because dogs show them in a 25 way. So dogs could be used as a mirror , a source of clear information. sometime ago I was reading an article about art therapy as a tool of rehabilitation and Cesar words popped into my mind. The piece of art created by the person in therapy, reflects in an 25 way what lays within and a well trained therapist can trace the source of "problem" and work on what is spoiled ( 18)
 

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"Aerodynamically, the bumble bee shouldn't be able to fly, but the bumble bee doesn't know it so it goes on flying anyway."
— Mary Kay Ash

39 ? 29,4 ?.....

(on Bumble bees )
 

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Very funny story! Perfect comparative of perspectives!

(. . .)
uff... how do you train humans to tame their egos?

( . . .) If there will be change, it must begin in me, the human.

As I'm sure you're aware, it's so much more than teaching a dog tricks or other commands. It actually teaches a dog to discern more intelligently, to lend them the benefit of reasoning , as they lend us the benefit of keener instinct. It becomes more than mere obedience, it becomes a happy oneness. ( . . .) All dogs, require a purpose. If we don't give them helpful ones, they will make other ways,

(. . . )

In contrast, there's an absolute minimum of commands for Mojo. I'd rather he learn to figure out what's right or wrong on his own, even if based on my response to it in the past. He looks to me for his example, as I look to him likewise for some things. Where commands or limits are required, such as his boundaries, they are made clear. Dogs have no difficulty understanding boundaries; quite the contrary, boundaries are very natural to them. There's no loss of face issues, unless they've been instilled by their humans. A dog's clearest understanding is perceived not by words but by the energy the human transmits. When on a leash, that leash is a hot wire to their desire to walk as one, to lead or pull, or to be led or pulled. That's why leash training is essential to establishing essential ground rules. If a dog walks, runs or even turns away while the human corrects, the dog has led and won. Repeating that process only makes it more difficult to correct. But again, it is first the human who must make the needed correction in themselves.

I thought the story was very funny too, but also very deep, in a way that only funny things can be . . And you are right about human egos, we are the most difficult to train (I'm sure we all have had our own to trouble us and can agree about it) but then again that's were animal power finds part of its own reason -as creating balance to our human brains . . . imagine if a human's ego was so infallible it didn't need to be balanced or tamed (!) the human species would probably have disappeared.

thanks for the ride thru Dog Whisperer's eyes, I find many similarities with what you wrote to how I've discovered things to be in a different, but analogous perspective . . my own animal metaphor comes from a big cat. Maybe a symbolic animal is not the same with a live pet but big parts of our actual encounters become useful when taken to the symbolic so it wouldn't matter as much in this discussion. Besides, my cat comes to me from the sign of the teacher so it's been a big part of how I learn about the world and myself.

I could say a lot about how my encounters with it have instructed me and tamed me as much as I've tamed it back -and how it's a process nowhere near its end. In fact I did write a looong post but I think it's enough to say that it's been along journey with many twists and turns but I've come to be grateful for the lessons-as hard as they might have been. The hot wire for our oneness though changed at some point from a leash to an innate harmony of steps and although I see how boundaries are important, I also know that when things reach their proper proportions regulations and economics spring naturally . . until then a lot of restraint is necessary but a leash would make such a sorry sight on a big cat and I would never do anything to break its spirit . .
then again, true, this is different from a dog but it makes a great guardian and inspiration to me and can be most docile than any domestic, so I wonder if domesticating would be truly wise . .

hmm, I do have a long way to go though so I think it would be great to read more into other perspectives too . .
 
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Funny thing about correct leash training with a dog: the human is the one that's trained.
 

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yes, that speaks volumes on the creative use of power . .

I figure it out as a thought that molds one's mind or a story that authors a writer . . an inherent trait of things we hold on to, that they, imperceptibly, hold us instead, by turning us into channels of their potentials.

but just as tools/boundaries can express our creativity by setting limits, so they can stifle it.

Maybe then it's a matter of animal trust . . I see that a lot in the classroom with my kids. I can order them around with no result or I can trust their animal nature,and then they, like Mojo, learn by the flow, stop acting out and follow me. Of course that requires that I trust and unleash my own animal side first and let it guide me or else we all get stuck in the mire of our own brain-matter . .
 
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My favorite mantra of business is: "let leaders lead". Micromanagement takes on a life of its own, and it's exhausting for everyone who thrive on creative involvement. You wind up with a group of non-thinkers and non-innovators. Dam construction may become a think-tank, or it can become a place where water stagnates and extinguishes growth. Beaver ponds divert streams, they don't stop water from flowing and moving through. To keep it living, water and energy must flow.

Interesting, the analogy of children, because the principles are the same. Observe Cesar's manner of dealing with his young sons, who sometimes assist him, and you observe the same manners. Trust, is the major role in any case, indeed.

Good-natured humor also plays a role in keeping ground rules light and un-burdensome. Mojo has a curled upward chow chow tail. When we start out on the uphill walk, he still likes to lead by a small amount; just his fresh energy being frisky, and it fulfills something important in his own (very) alpha nature. If I challenge him on it outright (34.3), he'll obey, but I've also taken some spirit out of him and the walk that way. The manner I've used over time is to playfully grab the tip of his tail and say in a threatening teasing way, "I'll pull your tail. Now, all I have to to do is tease him once with it, and the real message gets through to him: "the old guy needs to slow it down a bit." None of his spirit has been sacrificed... he does it for me, and that gives him a sense of purpose, of doing a job for one he loves; and nothing makes a dog happier than those two things.

Anyway, the main thing I thought to highlight when starting this thread is the constructive use of obstructions. I think it's often overlooked and simply categorized as one of the bad hexagrams, when it's really a potentially empowering act of nature which fulfills the axiom: obstruction is the mother of invention. Actually I think the word typically used is "adversity", but I like obstruction better.
 

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Anyway, the main thing I thought to highlight when starting this thread is the constructive use of obstructions. I think it's often overlooked and simply categorized as one of the bad hexagrams, when it's really a potentially empowering act of nature which fulfills the axiom: obstruction is the mother of invention. Actually I think the word typically used is "adversity", but I like obstruction better.
its a paradox the way you present it, a very interesting one. Building through obstractions. And from now on, I can see too the beauty of 39. the way is blocked, but around the blockages there are unlimited possibilities that create new ways.

Life is full off paradoxes, i think and some people tend to be so realistic adapt a "common sense" attitude and they miss the mystery those paradox hold. Others stay frozen in front of the obstracles helpless. But there are those too that find a way to transform the obstraction to a new building. When life gives you lemons, make lemonade;)
 
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Good-natured humor also plays a role in keeping ground rules light and un-burdensome. Mojo has a curled upward chow chow tail. When we start out on the uphill walk, he still likes to lead by a small amount; just his fresh energy being frisky, and it fulfills something important in his own (very) alpha nature. If I challenge him on it outright (34.3), he'll obey, but I've also taken some spirit out of him and the walk that way. The manner I've used over time is to playfully grab the tip of his tail and say in a threatening teasing way, "I'll pull your tail. Now, all I have to to do is tease him once with it, and the real message gets through to him: "the old guy needs to slow it down a bit." None of his spirit has been sacrificed... he does it for me, and that gives him a sense of purpose, of doing a job for one he loves; and nothing makes a dog happier than those two things.

Anyway, the main thing I thought to highlight when starting this thread is the constructive use of obstructions. I think it's often overlooked and simply categorized as one of the bad hexagrams, when it's really a potentially empowering act of nature which fulfills the axiom: obstruction is the mother of invention. Actually I think the word typically used is "adversity", but I like obstruction better.
well, obstructions have their own reasons . . . On a good day, they can stop floods so I guess it's a matter of context each time, what would make a bad case scenario . . gotta watch for the sticky parts!

as for the saying, tis true, intention and expression tend to have a huge impact in highlighting each other. In songs for example, where words are limited, the tlittle alone can tell a whole story; axioms are similar . .
There is a term coined by an anthropologist, Levi-Strauss, to speak about a certain kind of 'savage mind' that he called the 'bricoleur', the person who makes due within a limited space, with whatever means s/he has, inventing new, multiple uses for the same few things to solve any given situation -very 39ish!

hmm, am I diverting too much??


(any case Mojo has chouchou roots btw?)
 
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To the son of a friends occured a problem with the arteries. a certain one was block. he could die or at best had some serious damages. Yet he was pretty lucky because the body created/found a new path to circulate the blood properly, a way of less ressistance. (39)
Homeostasis ?
 
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To the son of a friends occured a problem with the arteries. a certain one was block. he could die or at best had some serious damages. Yet he was pretty lucky because the body created/found a new path to circulate the blood properly, a way of less ressistance. (39)
Homeostasis ?
Nice example. The same occurs in our natural neurophysiology. Even changing our mind over something reroutes pathways.

Another example is ohms, which is a measure of electrical resistance, such as one finds in speaker/amp systems, driven by vacuum tubes and output transformer. The output level must measure close to the speaker, and this is done through creating specific degrees of resistance in output and speaker.

How about a simple potentiometer, controlling the amount of resistance to the available current?

Probably the most practical human day to day use remains, taking a little time and space to back up and reflect before moving forward again - yup, along the lines of least resistance.
 

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The same occurs in our natural neurophysiology. Even changing our mind over something reroutes pathways.
39 indeed !!! I know a psycologist that i respect a lot and once in a while he have some chats about neyrophysiology etc. He uses to say " we know nothing about brains and how they work" And that , i think, is because the mechanism are unlimited, so new things came out all the time. Unlimited pathways.

In Yi terms, what you say , apart form 39 has also the rest of the 63 hexs too. I'm saying that because it reminds me the way art therapy works. I asked this morning "what art therapy is" regarding a personal matter/ decision i work on. had to chucle when I received 1> 40. Release of creativity, was my first thought and 39 fits a lot to that reading as the spark that initiates that procedure. Creativity, in a broader sense , is obstracted at 39 while in the 1>40 reading finds its way out passing through what you say here:
Sooo : Probably the most practical human day to day use remains, taking a little time and space to back up and reflect before moving forward again - yup, along the lines of least resistance.
when in school in order to understand physic about sounds and elecric current, i use to see them as water , so yes, It does resonates what you describe about sound and the use of potentiometers. Was thinking that watermills , windsmills have a similar outcome. Water, wind finds a obstraction and energy is produced.
 

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I google for images of "overcoming obstructions". The most of the images is like the one I post.



its a pretty literal/methaphorical illustration, yet it can be confusing too.
still unpolished thoughts, yet such an image is not what 39 says. Over-come and overcome are two different things, no ?
 

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