A Serious Financial Consideration...

[peace66]

Greetings To All!
I'm in serious financial straits. My question is: Is filing for bankruptcy my best possible
option within the next 6 months? I received: 7.2.> 2
I have no idea if this means yes-I should or wait or no-I shouldn't...
I welcome all enlightenment.
Peace

 

[magictortoise]

Interesting that you should receive Hexagram 7 which images ground water in the earth, a well of sorts, at a time when own resources are being depleted. I think the second line is quite favorable for going ahead with filing. You asked if you should file and the oracle says 'good fortune' and 'no blame'. (Wilhelm) It is such a favorable line, strong and in a strong place with this mass of yin lines surrounding it. The appended commentary on page 423 states 'he receives grace form heaven. This intimates to me that Providence has a a big hand in this. If nothing else it may free you up from inner stress and render you better capable of receiving further light on your financial situation. If I had received this answer I would be on the telephone immediately to my tax man or whoever one consults for bankruptcy.

Best regards,

Ken Wanamaker

 

[peace66]

Thank You Ken...

Interesting that you should receive Hexagram 7 which images ground water in the earth, a well of sorts, at a time when own resources are being depleted. I think the second line is quite favorable for going ahead with filing. You asked if you should file and the oracle says 'good fortune' and 'no blame'. (Wilhelm) It is such a favorable line, strong and in a strong place with this mass of yin lines surrounding it. The appended commentary on page 423 states 'he receives grace form heaven. This intimates to me that Providence has a a big hand in this. If nothing else it may free you up from inner stress and render you better capable of receiving further light on your financial situation. If I had received this answer I would be on the telephone immediately to my tax man or whoever one consults for bankruptcy.

Best regards,

Ken Wanamaker

I appreciate your commentary, Ken. I'm not thrilled about having to file but it looks as
if it is the most sensible thing to do. Thanks Much!
Peace

 

[willowfox]

Hex 7.2 suggests that for the moment you should continue to take care of your self and your daughter as best you can, it says that you should be more responsible for your own financial affairs and try not to be to preoccupied with them.

Hex 2 advises you to seek out help before making a move, to follow sound advice before doing anything drastic, as this is not the time for taking any major actions. So be guided and do not act impulsively.

 

[jimnammack]

You drew Hexagram 6, The Army. The army means the masses. Masses means that there are lots of things that make up something, in the sense that an army consists of lots of soldiers. Since you asked about your financial situation, masses means money, coins and dollars. In terms of volume, masses means a great amount. So, in the context of your question, The Army seems to be telling you that you will be acquiring a good amount of money.

Your one moving line confirms that. It says that in the midst of the army, the king bestows a triple decoration. This makes it seem to me that some unexpected windfall will be coming your way.

Hexagram 2 says that if he follows, he finds guidance. This hexagram also says that you must not take the lead, but that you must follow. In other words, if friends ask you to go to a casino with them, go. If someone mentions to you how much your local lotto is worth now, go buy a ticket. Follow the hints you get from your environment. If you have any doubts about whether or not you should follow any particular hint, do a divination about it.

I'm sure that from the perspective of your current situation, believing that some unexpected windfall is going to come your way may seem a little wild. Well, it seems a little wild to me too. But, I can come to no interpretation other than the one I just gave you. Therefore, I would encourage you to do a follow-up divination about this, asking something like, "Am I going to be rescued from my financial straits by some unexpected windfall?"

Jim

 

[lienshan]

My question is: Is filing for bankruptcy my best possible
option within the next 6 months? I received: 7.2.> 2
I have no idea if this means yes-I should or wait or no-I shouldn't...

Hi peace66

The Yi answer to your question is, that your best option is to look for assistence and advice from someone with economical insight. "The army needs perseverance and a strong man" means organized by a Pro.

The changing line tells you to follow the advice you receive.

Jacques

 

[laureet]

Beware

An Army is not only quantity and power or the strength of lots of units of whatever, people or money, put together, an Army means also a huge liability, expense and responsibility for large amounts of resources for keeping existence. An Army obtains solidity and gains for the nation or the emperor but also drains greatly its resources. Beware of a too rapid conceptualization of what an Army means to you in this case. You are not in a campaign of conquer so the Army cannot get you victories, you are in a situation of losses so the Army is your drain of the already few resources.

A lake can mean abundant water under control but can also mean limited water available and the need to have this into consideration.

I agree however with the following of a leader or someone who knows what he/she is doing and who knows how to feed an Army.

I should, if getting this reading in your situation, look for an specialist who can show me the different optional ways out and each consequence good and bad, not for someone who guides me blindly . Once having professional answers on the options available I would get a reading for each and integrate these with my own needs and expectations before deciding.

In all ways, to contact an specialist with whom you can establish a good two ways communication is a must. To consolidate your resources and define priorities in how to use these is another must.:bows:

 

[jimnammack]

To Laureet and Lienshan:

You may be totally correct. In my experience with The Army as defined by the Wilhelm translation, it usually refers to many of something. In this case, however, it may not. That is why I encouraged Peace66 to do a follow-up divination about it to confirm.

I no longer use the Wilhelm translation for my own use, so you may well have a better feel for it than I do.


Jim

 

[bruce_g]

Peace, seems to me that Yi is handing the matter back over to you to solve and take charge of. Not the kind answer that might feel especially helpful, but perhaps there's something important for you to learn by taking control of it.

I've often found that big and sometimes frightening obstacles provide equally big and rewarding life lessons. The idea is not to be given fish to eat, but to learn how to catch them and feed yourself.

 

[lienshan]

You may be totally correct. In my experience with The Army as defined by the Wilhelm translation, it usually refers to many of something. In this case, however, it may not. That is why I encouraged Peace66 to do a follow-up divination about it to confirm.

I no longer use the Wilhelm translation for my own use, so you may well have a better feel for it than I do.

Hi Jim

I see no contrast to your words "many of something". When not filling for bankruptcy one have to make accords and arrangements with the creditors. It's the hard way to go. Success depends on advice and support.

I prefer the Richard Wilhelm (in german) translation. I'm a traditionalist But I too have a Stephen Karcher translation in danish. He lives in Copenhagen, the capitol of Denmark, and I find his descriptions of the 64 ideograms very usefull.

Jacques

 

[sophie]

Sorry to hear of your troubles, Peace.

I would say this line is advising you to soldier on, and to go and find someone who has a broader view of the matter than you do and who can give you some real options. Hexagram 2 suggests that you will be working hard to get you and this daughter out of this pass, but that your perseverance will pay off.

Sophie

 

[jimnammack]

Hey, Jacques:

In The Sequence, it says, "When there is conflict, the masses are sure to rise up. Hence there follows the hexagram of The Army. Army means mass." In the Commentary of the Decision, it says among other things, "The Army means the masses." That is where I got my sense of things that The Army usually involves many of something, and the thing there is many of will be the subject matter of the question. Also, even though it has been years since I have used the Wilhelm translation (except for recently when I started participating in this website), I do recall individual readings I have done involving this hexagram wherein The Army did in fact mean many of something.

But, the Wilhelm text for this hexagram mentions other things too, and when many things are mentioned as being the meaning of a hexagram, not all will necessarily have equal relevance. So, I will readily admit that the reference to The Army meaning masses might have little or no relevance to the question posed by Peace 66. On the other hand, for her sake, I hope her divination does mean a stroke of good luck for her.

I have several of Karcher's books, but I did not know or recall that he was from Denmark.

I will add something else. My experience with the various I Ching renderings is that they are not interchangeable. If Peace66 was using the Wilhelm translation when she did her reading, then "the masses" has a good chance of applying to her situation. If, on the other hand, she was using one of Karcher's renderings, and there is no reference in his Hexagram 7 definition to anything similar to "the masses," then to superimpose something from Wilhelm onto Karcher, or to superimpose Karcher onto Wilhelm, would be to introduce incorrect interpretations.

Along these lines, I recall studying Huang's book a few years ago, and I was comparing some of his moving line meanings to the moving line meanings of other I Ching texts. I found that sometimes the difference of meanings ascribed to individual moving lines can be vast. Huang might define one moving line in a positive way, and another author might define the same moving line in a negative way. However, regardless of which I Ching reference book we use, we will always receive flawless readings, all of which are applicable to that book's definitions alone. There is no such thing as a set of preferred "universal" definitions of I Ching hexagrams and moving lines. My experience is that the I Ching cares not care one whit about how we define individual moving lines or hexagrams. Whatever interpretations are available in a particular reference book, the I Ching will uncomplainingly use to communicate with unerring precision.

It's nice getting to know you, Jacques. I also enjoy knowing that contributors to this website are from all over the world. This is a nifty website.

Well, I see that I got a little long-winded here. Sorry, Jacques.

Jim

 

[peace66]

Thanks So Much To All Of You...

I'm very touched by everyone's input and concern. I have consulted with debt-consolidating agencies and bankruptcy attornies over the past year as a matter of fact.
I have already delayed this decision this long, and I will try not to rush into it now.
I asked, as Jim suggested, Will I receive an unexpected windfall to avoid bankruptcy
within the next 6 months.? I received: 43.2. >49

I also asked: Is there any way for me to avoid bankruptcy within the next 6 months?
I received: 19 unchanging.

These both sound very positive to me. However, I would appreciate any input offered.
Peace:bows:

 

[jimnammack]

Wow. You got Breakthrough (Resoluteness). Looks good to me! A breakthrough occurs when there has been a steady build-up of pressure, the dam suddenly gives way, and the backed-up water surges through. The way that Breakthrough is defined in the Wilhem text makes it seem to me that your good fortune will come in a way other than something as unlikely as what I guessed at before, such as winning a lottery. In The Judgment, it says, "One must resolutely make the matter known at the court of the king." Just what this means for you specifically, I do not have a clue. But, it does seem as though someone else is going to be involved. If you are currently employed, it might mean that you get an unexpected promotion and pay raise. It might mean an inheritence. You might land a fanstasic new job. The Judgment also says, "It does not further to resort to arms." This ties in perfectly with Hexagram 2 of your previous reading. Aggressive action on your part is not the way, in other words. There are also many references in the explanatory text to being resolute. So, stay determined and stay hopeful throughout. If you wind up with a new higher paying job or something similar, it will be because someone brought it to your attention, not because you sought it out. "It furthers one to undertake something." Once things start falling into place for you, then you will at that point need to start following through with appropriate action. The advice of Hexagram 2 will no longer be valid. The Image says, "Thus the superior man dispenses riches downward and refrains from resting on his virtue." Cool! It sounds as though your new-found riches are going to benefit others as well. This could also mean that you are going to have supervisory responsibilities.

Line 2 makes it seem that this breakthrough will not come right away. In fact, line 2 seems to indicate that your situation might even get more difficult for you before the Breakthrough occurs. It is possible that an unexpected expense could come up before you experience your Breakthrough. So, hold on tight.

Through line 2, Hexagram 43 transmutes into Hexagram 49, Revolution (Molting). This hexagram refers to changes in long-established institutions. Revolution means removal of that which is antiquated. The Judgment says that you hit upon the right thing, and remorse disappears. All of this means that your Breakthrough is going to be more than just elevated good fortune. Your good fortune will be part of a package of deep-seated change for you. This might mean that you will be moving. It might mean that you start a completely new career. It could mean lots of things, but the effect on you will be that of a powerful cleansing. You will shed your old skin, and begin life anew in more ways than one.

When you asked about avoiding bankruptcy within the next six months, you got Hexagram 19, Approach. Approach means becoming great. In other words, your becoming great will save you from having to declare bankruptcy. The Judgment says that approach has supreme success. Your supreme success, in other words, will save you. In The Image, it says that the superior man is inexhaustible in his will to teach, and without limits in his tolerance and protection of the people. Again, this makes it seem that your Breakthrough is going to involve your having some responsibility over others, or will involve your having some influence on others.

It will be really interesting to see how this all plays out for you. Please keep me posted, by all means.

Jim

 

[willowfox]

"I asked, as Jim suggested, Will I receive an unexpected windfall to avoid bankruptcy
within the next 6 months.? I received: 43.2. >49


Hex 43.2 suggests that you be ready for any financial problems that may indeed crop up, so to be forewarned is to be forearmed. So, if you know that there may be a problem in the future prepare for it now so that it cannot hurt you.

Hex 49 expect a big change to come into your situation for the better, it seems that help will arrive to put your life back in order, so i presume that some form of financial aid will be given to you.


"I also asked: Is there any way for me to avoid bankruptcy within the next 6 months?
I received: 19 unchanging.


Hex 19 does indeed suggest that you may be able to find a way to avoid bankruptcy in the next 6 months.

 

[peace66]

A Ray Of Light Perhaps At The End Of The Tunnel!

Once again, Thank You so much to all of you! I am juggling 3 home businesses, so
maybe I'll be making a profit soon...
I will keep everyone posted.
Much Appreciation,
Peace