Advice for pluto in aquarius 30.1.3 > 35

[floranova]

Hopefully there are enough people into astrology here to help me with this one. (If anyone knows any good astro forums let me know! Reddit sucks.) I'm a cancer rising, so pluto will be in my 8th house and will be opposite my 2nd house leo sun for the next year or so (it's within orb right now actually)

My first thought is "I'm going to die!!! A family member is going to die!! AAAAAH" but that's probably just a silly knee jerk reaction. Pluto was not gentle with me when crossing my south node/descendent so I'm scared of him ripping me a new one again. 🫠 Saturn is also about to oppose my moon (chart ruler) so that's feeding into the fear for my own life, but again, astrology probably doesn't really work like that.

Line 3 of this reading isn't helping my nervousness. Maybe it's addressing the reaction itself, and telling me that I shouldn't let the idea of death bother me so much because it's a waste of the time we have left to cry about the possibility. I *have* had some fears around my health in recent years but it doesn't necessarily have to be a warning of something to come right? I don't think yi can really tell the future so I'm hoping that's all it is.

As for line 1, pluto will be conjuncting my natal neptune during his time in aquarius, so that checks out pretty well. Something will be confusing but if I'm cautious and respectful I can fumble my way through it? Maybe some kind of financial agreement could involve a little toe stepping or missteps/misunderstandings but handled with care will pan out okay?

Thank you in advance

 

[Liselle]

I've had misadventures with transits myself, but then other times I've worried and nothing much happened. Or at least not external-calamity things. I don't know nearly enough about astrology to tell the difference.

30 and 35 are both "shining," in their own ways. 30's about understanding-type of illumination, 35 shines out as in advancing & making progress in the world. It matters that 30 (primary hexagram) is what this is about, where 35 (relating hexagram) is more subjective, but exactly how it will play out, I have no idea.

I've had 30.1 where it quite literally meant just keep going with the confusion - realizing I'm confused and carrying that with me will help me get un-confused later on. (I was trying to plan out a driving route ahead of time, got 30.1, and it turned out to be more clear once I actually saw the roads in person. But keeping in mind that I was confused made me pay extra good attention so I'd notice what there was to notice. It worked out well.)

30.3 - wonder if it means when you start noticing the effects, you'll be able to do something if you beat pots and sing (redouble your efforts, try things, whatever it may be). Don't think it's hopeless and just your fate and all you can do is accept it. From 30.3 I don't think that will be true. 30.3 gives you options. But you might have to really remind yourself of that.

Actually 30.3 might be a hint that this will not be a benign transit (what I said in the first sentence). But if so, the good news is Yi's here to let you know ahead of time, and you can ask for advice during.

 

[floranova]

I've had misadventures with transits myself, but then other times I've worried and nothing much happened. Or at least not external-calamity things. I don't know nearly enough about astrology to tell the difference.

30 and 35 are both "shining," in their own ways. 30's about understanding-type of illumination, 35 shines out as in advancing & making progress in the world. It matters that 30 (primary hexagram) is what this is about, where 35 (relating hexagram) is more subjective, but exactly how it will play out, I have no idea.

I've had 30.1 where it quite literally meant just keep going with the confusion - realizing I'm confused and carrying that with me will help me get un-confused later on. (I was trying to plan out a driving route ahead of time, got 30.1, and it turned out to be more clear once I actually saw the roads in person. But keeping in mind that I was confused made me pay extra good attention so I'd notice what there was to notice. It worked out well.)

30.3 - wonder if it means when you start noticing the effects, you'll be able to do something if you beat pots and sing (redouble your efforts, try things, whatever it may be). Don't think it's hopeless and just your fate and all you can do is accept it. From 30.3 I don't think that will be true. 30.3 gives you options. But you might have to really remind yourself of that.

Actually 30.3 might be a hint that this will not be a benign transit (what I said in the first sentence). But if so, the good news is Yi's here to let you know ahead of time, and you can ask for advice during.

30.1 gives me very "fumbling around a dark room" vibes so if that's what I can expect in the next few years I'm glad to at least see it coming. I had a feeling getting started with adulthood wasn't going to be neatly mapped out in front of me.

I mean, is Pluto ever benign? Sheeeeesh. Saturn gets all kinds of groans and sighs from people but Pluto makes all my hairs stand up straight. I asked for a clarifier on this line and got 25.5 > 21. That's not very comforting I also got this answer when I asked why my hair was falling out more than usual. I'm going to try to be chill about this but that's a little eerie

 

[my_key]

Advice for pluto in aquarius?
30 <> 35
'Radiance' through 'Flourishing'

Perhaps it is more beneficial to see this period as one in which there will be new opportunity and you will begin to truly shine (30) as you step into the light (35) of a new set of life conditions.

30.1 - a time of transition that needs careful navigation in the early stages. It is important to allow whatever new perspectives or conditions that need to arise to arise.
30.3 - Illigitimi non carborundum. (Don't let people or circumstances grind you down). You have suffered under their or it's thrall for long enough.

... of course there may be other interpretations that make more sense for you.

Good Luck

 

[Trojina]

My own view is this isn't a helpful way to view astrology. I mean the dread and so on. I do know about astrology but I find it troubling the way people think 'OMG Saturn is on my Venus' or whatever it is. I personally don't find the 'cookbook' stuff on transits on progressions applicable most of the time anyway. I don't think we are meant to wait in dread for planets to 'do' things to us, I just don't think it works like that.

Now I say that not just to share my view but I think that is what 30.3 is about, I will get to that

First of all 30, Clarity. I think that is the information itself. You've 'caught' something in the net of your attention, you asked for advice on Pluto going into your 8th house...well it will be going into your 8th house according to some house systems, there's many of them, it's not a hard fact but anyway you have this information and you want to be able to use it wisely.

Line 1
'Treading, hence confused.
Honour it,
Not a mistake.'

If one honours confusion then one isn't pushing to make a meaning

Line 3

'In the light of the setting sun,
If not beating a pot and singing,
Then you will be making the lament of great old age.
Pitfall.'

This line is often quite tongue in cheek and the nub of it is in modern speech 'make the most of the day, don't fall into gloom. live now' . I think it's a bit like 'oh you poor old thing' you know when there's a mishap or injury and someone says 'oh dear you are in the wars' it's not dismissive in a nasty way but nonetheless I think it is somewhat dismissive.

With the Pluto thing I'd say it' saying 'stop making lament over the passing of time (transits) don't live in dread, sing instead.


35 here well possibly 35 as relating can be seen as the attempt to capitalise/make use of what is the primary and that is what you are trying to do in asking how to deal with the Pluto transit.

I do think one could take this cast any number of ways, as a direct answer or not. I think life has enough challenges without worrying about Pluto, I was born with him on my ascendant I mean I can handle him (famous last words)

I do find with big transits they just don't play out like they are alleged to. I mean I think with the outer planets changes can be very slow and internal and too many websites/books etc foster this terror of 'OMG Pluto is on my Moon' kind of stuff, painting very dark pictures. I think there is a better way with astrology such as the kind Arimoshe Wolfe does, he is a member here and has got a lot online which is far more in depth and less alarmist than a lot of the nonsense out there. I mean sometimes transits do play out dramatically but I'd say a lot of the time they don't.

 

[Trojina]

Hopefully there are enough people into astrology here to help me with this one. (If anyone knows any good astro forums let me know! Reddit sucks.) I'm a cancer rising, so pluto will be in my 8th house and will be opposite my 2nd house leo sun for the next year or so (it's within orb right now actually)

Also I don't know what kind of house system you are using, there are many of them and it may not be that when Pluto goes into Aquarius (it already is in Aquarius) it's also in your 8th house. Houses can be unequal sizes so just being in Aquarius doesn't mean it will be in your 8th house. In the Placidus system for example houses are often not of equal size and so Pluto could be in the 6th house or 7th...might not be 8th for sure because houses don't need to coincide with the 30 degrees of the signs

 

[Trojina]

(If anyone knows any good astro forums let me know! Reddit sucks.)

Not a forum but Astrodienst is good for checking out your chart using different house systems, gives quite good free horoscope summaries etc

Here is Ari on Pluto in Aquarius through the houses

 

[rosada]

Hexagram 30 speaks to the transformative power of fire and the persistence and illumination it brings. Line 1 suggests a cautionary approach, advising one to proceed with prudence and care. Line 3 highlights the importance of aligning oneself with the correct timing and circumstance, emphasizing the need to adapt and remain flexible in the face of change.
Hexagram 35, Progress, underscores the idea of advancing by following a clear and constructive path. This hexagram signifies the gradual development of a situation, highlighting the importance of perseverance and patience.
Relating this to Pluto’s transition into Aquarius, hexagram 30’s cautionary approach (Line 1) may indicate the need for careful consideration and mindfulness as we navigate the transformative energies associated with this planetary shift. Line 3’s emphasis on adaptation and flexibility suggests that being open to change and adjusting strategies in response to evolving circumstances will be crucial during this period of transition.
Incorporating hexagram 35. Progress, this transition may signify a phase of gradual advancement and development in areas related to innovation, technology, and societal change - themes often associated with Aquarius. The hexagram emphasizes the idea of gradually over time, bringing about transformative shifts aligned with the progressive and unconventional nature of the Aquarian energies.

 

[Trojina]

Line 3’s emphasis on adaptation and flexibility suggests that being open to change and adjusting strategies in response to evolving circumstances will be crucial during this period of transition.

I wonder if you are talking about 30.3 as there is no emphasis in it at all on adaptation and flexibility.

If you think there is then maybe you could say where you see it.

 

[floranova]

Advice for pluto in aquarius?
30 <> 35
'Radiance' through 'Flourishing'

Perhaps it is more beneficial to see this period as one in which there will be new opportunity and you will begin to truly shine (30) as you step into the light (35) of a new set of life conditions.

30.1 - a time of transition that needs careful navigation in the early stages. It is important to allow whatever new perspectives or conditions that need to arise to arise.
30.3 - Illigitimi non carborundum. (Don't let people or circumstances grind you down). You have suffered under their or it's thrall for long enough.

... of course there may be other interpretations that make more sense for you.

Good Luck

This is a much brighter (haha) way of looking at this reading, thank you! So pessimistic of me.

 

[floranova]

My own view is this isn't a helpful way to view astrology. I mean the dread and so on. I do know about astrology but I find it troubling the way people think 'OMG Saturn is on my Venus' or whatever it is. I personally don't find the 'cookbook' stuff on transits on progressions applicable most of the time anyway. I don't think we are meant to wait in dread for planets to 'do' things to us, I just don't think it works like that.

Now I say that not just to share my view but I think that is what 30.3 is about, I will get to that

First of all 30, Clarity. I think that is the information itself. You've 'caught' something in the net of your attention, you asked for advice on Pluto going into your 8th house...well it will be going into your 8th house according to some house systems, there's many of them, it's not a hard fact but anyway you have this information and you want to be able to use it wisely.

Line 1
'Treading, hence confused.
Honour it,
Not a mistake.'

If one honours confusion then one isn't pushing to make a meaning

Line 3

'In the light of the setting sun,
If not beating a pot and singing,
Then you will be making the lament of great old age.
Pitfall.'

This line is often quite tongue in cheek and the nub of it is in modern speech 'make the most of the day, don't fall into gloom. live now' . I think it's a bit like 'oh you poor old thing' you know when there's a mishap or injury and someone says 'oh dear you are in the wars' it's not dismissive in a nasty way but nonetheless I think it is somewhat dismissive.

With the Pluto thing I'd say it' saying 'stop making lament over the passing of time (transits) don't live in dread, sing instead.


35 here well possibly 35 as relating can be seen as the attempt to capitalise/make use of what is the primary and that is what you are trying to do in asking how to deal with the Pluto transit.

I do think one could take this cast any number of ways, as a direct answer or not. I think life has enough challenges without worrying about Pluto, I was born with him on my ascendant I mean I can handle him (famous last words)

I do find with big transits they just don't play out like they are alleged to. I mean I think with the outer planets changes can be very slow and internal and too many websites/books etc foster this terror of 'OMG Pluto is on my Moon' kind of stuff, painting very dark pictures. I think there is a better way with astrology such as the kind Arimoshe Wolfe does, he is a member here and has got a lot online which is far more in depth and less alarmist than a lot of the nonsense out there. I mean sometimes transits do play out dramatically but I'd say a lot of the time they don't.

I agree. I don't think transits necessarily bring events or whatever into your life, but kind of let you know what types of energies will be stronger during a certain time. It doesn't always materialize in an obvious way, if at all, depending on other transits or what's happening in your birth chart. Of course my anxiety wants to say otherwise, the drama queen that it is.

Also I don't know what kind of house system you are using,

I use whole sign, it seems to be working well so far. Last time pluto dipped into aquarius my estranged grandmother died and I met some family members I'd never even heard about at her funeral and learned some things about the dynamics of my dad's family. Very 8th house if you ask me, but that could just be pluto. Hoping nobody dies again but I am expecting some things to be dug up and transformed.

If one honours confusion then one isn't pushing to make a meaning

You know what's interesting, a lot of my readings lately have had a tone of asking me to allow things to unfold and not to impose a fixed direction on things right now. That's been the strongest, most infuriatingly consistent sentiment I've gotten. It's strangely relieving to know I don't have to fight it but it's also scary to stand at the opening of a dark hallway and not know how long it is.

I think it is somewhat dismissive.

Hahahaha yeah that checks out. The sun always comes back up in the morning but I imagine if you don't know that, it feels like the end of the world. May as well sing some campfire songs and roast some marshmallows while you wait.

35 as relating can be seen as the attempt to capitalise/make use of what is the primary

Is "Phoenix from the ashes" an okay way of looking at 30? If that's the case, then 35 as the relating makes this a significantly more optimistic reading than my first impression. A (confusing and possibly distressing) transformation into something sunnier sounds fantastic to me. I've been a living raincloud since 2014, clearly this is overdue. I'll take uncertainty over settling into stagnation any day. I'm actually pretty excited about the next 15 or so years in that case you're awesome trojina thank you!!!!

 

[floranova]

I think life has enough challenges without worrying about Pluto, I was born with him on my ascendant I mean I can handle him (famous last words)

LOL I think the best approach to pluto is fearful reverence. Sir yes sir 🫡

 

[floranova]

Hexagram 30 speaks to the transformative power of fire and the persistence and illumination it brings. Line 1 suggests a cautionary approach, advising one to proceed with prudence and care. Line 3 highlights the importance of aligning oneself with the correct timing and circumstance, emphasizing the need to adapt and remain flexible in the face of change.
Hexagram 35, Progress, underscores the idea of advancing by following a clear and constructive path. This hexagram signifies the gradual development of a situation, highlighting the importance of perseverance and patience.
Relating this to Pluto’s transition into Aquarius, hexagram 30’s cautionary approach (Line 1) may indicate the need for careful consideration and mindfulness as we navigate the transformative energies associated with this planetary shift. Line 3’s emphasis on adaptation and flexibility suggests that being open to change and adjusting strategies in response to evolving circumstances will be crucial during this period of transition.
Incorporating hexagram 35. Progress, this transition may signify a phase of gradual advancement and development in areas related to innovation, technology, and societal change - themes often associated with Aquarius. The hexagram emphasizes the idea of gradually over time, bringing about transformative shifts aligned with the progressive and unconventional nature of the Aquarian energies.

I've had a feeling pluto in aquarius is about to bring a lot of conflicting information, AI propaganda, all that crazy stuff. Line 1 could be warning me about navigating the truth at this time, I do have a strong sense of justice and a willingness to speak up and take action on political matters so I'll have to be super discerning.

I'm going to have to agree with trojina on line 3, it's not really screaming flexibility to me but clearly I took the line to mean something darker than it was so I could be wrong there