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Someone at work has been friendly and recently learned split from his girlfriend a month ago. So messaged him after getting further encouragement (since I last asked whether I should approach) and yes, sigh, I allowed myself to get hopeful.

Was getting seemingly encouraging answers from the Yi too, eg changing lines to 32, 8 and 53. But I jumped the gun (as reflected in 61-15 my previous reading re him, which came true... I acted and believed in his further encouragement, but was wrong.

Just want re-iteration of this clear, (another aha!) reading.
I thought something was going to happen because he was communicating with me, but today i saw him with his (recently ex) girlfriend and now think they are back together.

I asked if they were and received 24.2, 3 > 11 Peace

Wow :( Referring to them, and how they've lovingly got back together (and I feel like the catalyst to their reunion again :( (this happened with someone else before)

I'm right yes? Couldn't be referring to me and him right? But then my question was about their relationship...

Thanks,
Just looking for some brief confirmation of this clear answer... yes they are back?

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When I asked about what to do re him I received 63 Unchanging.
Does that say whatever was between us has passed?
I also received, upon asking whether his positive responses meant he was interested, 30.4 .. I suppose it was all a flash in the pan and not the right course for me... go with the flow I guess I need to stop resisting my tao...

(coincidence, after posting the above I looked up hex 63 in the archives and this thread also refers to the concept of tao : http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=4992
- I guess the short answer is move on!)
 
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Read more into 24.2, 3 > 11 and would really appreciate some comments...

Don't want to allow myself this supposition at all, but would you interpret 24. 2, 3 to be saying that he is returning to her out of loyalty and a desire to regain what was good between them? But that it's not good to keep chopping and changing - perhaps they are masking their probs again - insecurity lurking beneath, masked by a happy return?

I shall not dwell/ wait/ try too hard with him (aside from being friendly when I next see him) But could that answer be read that way?

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Em, I'm far too inexperienced and muddled myself to be able to help you with interpretation. I just wanted you to know that I am reading...and that I wish I had some wisdom to offer you:)
 

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Thanks :)
I don't know if people aren't offering further insights here because I seem clear deep down - perhaps they think I already know what the Yi is saying but am trying to get some positive, but untrue, take on things...

The Wilhelm version says of line 24. 3 that though it is dangerous to keep on returning i.e breaking up and getting back together, ultimately it is returning to the good...

So I think they are meant to be. I asked about him and I and received 8.2, 3 > 48.
He is not suitable for me in other words, and in hindsight I think that probs fits... he's too nice and normal and conventionally good looking! Joke :rofl:

Thanks for your encouragement of my posts kededaux4... :) I hope they somehow contribute to clarity.. Would be interesting to join the live chat tomorrow but alas I have to work and have no landline phone at the mo...
 

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I'll tell you my intuition, without going deeper into hexagrams of change, contrast, context etc. Initial indications were positive. I'll show you some flashes and thoughts on the questions that seem seem to be more straight, in an attempt to help you:

Your first question about you both (32 I presume unchanging) = I always tend to see it positively, since it's said to refer to a successful relationship, to time and also constancy, cycles after cycles. Patience is needed. Though many fellows (just Willowfox comes to my memory now) at this community believe that 32 means that one stays as is now.
8 (presume no changing lines) = James Legge mentions "8 indicates that there is fortune under supposed conditions, but let the principal party re-examine himself". It would also indicate union and patience (~ don't go ahead to make things work ~ wait for the sign).
53 (same) = I see another alert: calm. Hilary's translatioh: "Marrying into’ anything is an evolutionary process. Expect it to be very gradual."

You asked: are they back? This seems the most difficult one. Let's analyze:
24 = Renewal. Return. Also translated as "Transition Point". Wilhelm: "... old is discarded; new is coming.". Legge: "When decay has reached its climax, recovery will begin to take place."
24.2 = reinforces the return
24.3 = although daring path there is no error
24 is a hexagram of movement though. Also, I wouldn't believe exactly that "return" means their return. But it is ambiguous. :confused:
11 = a new spring is coming. Good fortune. Dao is accomplished.

What should I do ref. him - 63 = After Accross
The transition from the old cycle to the new cycle is over.
Acc to Hilary's starting points: "After the crossing, when the transition (or decision) has been made, it’s vital to keep your momentum. What’s next? How can you begin?"
Hex. 63 unfolds from hex. 11 (all things in due place) and although it has a very positive aspect, is innevitably going to follow its changing Yin-Yang course. I see it as "be attentive, keep correct attitude and self-assurance to go ahead and don't let go, don't be lax".

Any other thoughts, please?
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Hmm... Thanks for all the rundowns of the hex's!

The readings i received were actually:
What will happen?
3.3, 6 > 37.
Then, as I wasn't sure it wasn't just lust, Is there something real there?
20.5.6 > 2
On sending him a message: 53
On his reaction to that 30.4 (As I immediately panicked that it was the wrong thing to do, but he replied fine, so think that accurately reflected my worry, anticipation for immediate satisfaction etc)

I asked ages ago, does he have a girlfriend 11 Peace which I took to mean yes.
Then learnt they'd broken up..

Are they back together?
24>11
I think literally saying yes they have returned to each other.. though I see that you're saying it could be he has changed, turned away from her.. but I don't think so...

Then what should I do now (with no romantic prospects left :rofl:
11 unchanging
Find inner peace and fulfillment I guess!

Today spoke with him, friendly, smiley and forthcoming as before (and I felt fine - in control, friendly, calm, not expectant (tried to bear in mind hex 63 :)
but, again, I think I'm mistaking friendship for romantic attraction

So I asked Is he romantically interested?
50 The Well unchanging.

I think not. Is it saying that I am perhaps a full well that will remain full because he won't drink from it??
Does that sound right?


Thanks
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I'll tell you my intuition, without going deeper into hexagrams of change, contrast, context etc. Initial indications were positive. I'll show you some flashes and thoughts on the questions that seem seem to be more straight, in an attempt to help you:

Your first question about you both (32 I presume unchanging) = I always tend to see it positively, since it's said to refer to a successful relationship, to time and also constancy, cycles after cycles. Patience is needed. Though many fellows (just Willowfox comes to my memory now) at this community believe that 32 means that one stays as is now.
8 (presume no changing lines) = James Legge mentions "8 indicates that there is fortune under supposed conditions, but let the principal party re-examine himself". It would also indicate union and patience (~ don't go ahead to make things work ~ wait for the sign).
53 (same) = I see another alert: calm. Hilary's translatioh: "Marrying into’ anything is an evolutionary process. Expect it to be very gradual."

You asked: are they back? This seems the most difficult one. Let's analyze:
24 = Renewal. Return. Also translated as "Transition Point". Wilhelm: "... old is discarded; new is coming.". Legge: "When decay has reached its climax, recovery will begin to take place."
24.2 = reinforces the return
24.3 = although daring path there is no error
24 is a hexagram of movement though. Also, I wouldn't believe exactly that "return" means their return. But it is ambiguous. :confused:
11 = a new spring is coming. Good fortune. Dao is accomplished.

What should I do ref. him - 63 = After Accross
The transition from the old cycle to the new cycle is over.
Acc to Hilary's starting points: "After the crossing, when the transition (or decision) has been made, it’s vital to keep your momentum. What’s next? How can you begin?"
Hex. 63 unfolds from hex. 11 (all things in due place) and although it has a very positive aspect, is innevitably going to follow its changing Yin-Yang course. I see it as "be attentive, keep correct attitude and self-assurance to go ahead and don't let go, don't be lax".

Any other thoughts, please?
:bows:

Thanks for this contribution... I have been watching this thread very closely because I too have been asking about a relationship and got 32, 63 and 24 in very key responses. Your interpretation has been very comforting to me and it just reinforces the idea that actually I can't really ask about another person's relationship because there is no way to really know WHAT'S going on. In Carol Anthony's book on the I Ching she says that watching another situation gives the illusion that you control it, but that's what it is, just an illusion. That was an important thing for me to get my head around, actually and though it is a gradual process, I'm using the I Ching to speak directly to me and not to talk about other relationships...

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Yeah that makes sense...
I do actually find that whenever I ask about other people - specifically their feelings, the answer I get I usually end up reading it as if it's speaking about my feelings - so the question becomes what are my feelings for the person/ best way to approach it/ what do I unconsciously know of the situation already...

I mean I guess the hexagrams are a direct link and expression of your unconscious, so how could they tell of another, when you are so removed from that situation i.e. someone else's relationship.

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