An old, although new relationship

[bruce_g]

Good one! I never heard that. Today I was thinking of the one I know you mustve heard about the man and his guru master.....but I cant remember the details.....!! I know the story in my head, but I'd mess up the details, its one of those zen stories we have all heard......but of course slanted to my argument ; ) .....anyway, i was thinking of it and said to myself I should write that to bruce...so we were thinking synchronistically today.

GEE, I wonder where the founder of this feast is......foic.......whatever is happening with his situation!?

Yeah, monk stories are fun to identify with. Campbell tells a moth/fire story: The monk/ascetic looks beat up from banging against the glass, which stands between him and God.

Foic faded far from fraternizing, forsaking feedback.

 

[bruce_g]

I see my name listed on these threads too much lately. Either I'm talking too much, or others not enough. Time for some 36, me thinks.

 

[foic29]

Overwhelming response!

Dear friends of the I-Ching,

first of all: Thank you very much for all your remarks, I´m pretty much surprised by getting such an overwhelming response to my question!
I was on the road, working, for the last few day´s, so i couldn´t give any more input.
It is indeed very interesting for me to see all the different kinds of interpretations, all the different kinds of perspectives. To me this teaches one more time, that an I-Ching answer can´t be understood solely on it´s own. There has to be a context (the context is nearly as important than the actual question!), and who could now the context better than the person who has asked?
So i found some of the interpretations (espacially from rosada) a bit to far away from my situation, with a lot of preconcepts regarding my special conditions. (For example, my relationship to this woman it is not a secret thing, but the father of her child knows about our meetings...)

But this is not the main thing here:
What i really wanted to know was how is the "definite" potential of our relationship, not so much a answer for the present moment (as i told in my first thread - asking the I Ching a few days before how to behave relating to her at present, i received 50->32 (6)).
So i interpret the answer "14->64" as a very deep rooted one, not so much related to today, tomorrow, or the next few weeks. It was all about the potential generally speaking.

I think it is very important to have the frame of the question in mind when it comes to the interpretation of an answer: With changing the frame, you can turn the meaning of an answer totally upside down.
I also find the answer more encouraging - hey, it speaks about Nr. 14! And the frame was not "friendship", but defintely "lovers".
Of course, with some advice to be careful and alert, but nevertheless the big frame it´s about "Great Posession". And i think that i´m not blind or too euphoric here - i´m totally aware of the hidden problems and hindrances, which can occur out of such a situation.
The love between us is very sincere and develops slowly, but is getting deeper every day. So i just don´t want to force anything but stay in contact with the development of the hidden energies of the situation.

So i also have the feeling that rosada maybe has brought some of her own values (and therefore projections) into play here. But i´m not angry at all or unthankful. The opposite is true: With great respect, your remarks help me to see my answer from different perspectives, and this is extremly helpful to find my own.
So thanks again to you all for your contributions, and of course to you, rosada!

By the way: the development of my thread concerning "value topics" and more is of course also interesting - and surprising!


I wish you all the best, thank you!

With hearty greedings from

foic

 

[autumn]

If that is the context of the question, (in general, what is the potential between us), not how is it now between us, then you have a different answer in my opinion.

I would intepret this answer as a great potential for love that never is able to get off of the ground. The reason why is because one person in the relationship is not able to allow themselves to truly give themselves over to the partnership. Line 1, holding back and not touching, or interacting, with that Great Possession. Line 3, unselfish giving, and yet, this can be one-sided.

That's just how I would read it, which I know is not welcome. But intuitively I would warn you that this woman may have psychological scars that cause her to be attracted to men who can't love her and to not let the ones who can love her close. (Or, maybe it's you that has the commitment problems, going back and reading your original post.)

I-ching is always just a snapshot in time, so I wouldn't say give up completely, just be really aware of how the fact that there are still "barriers" between you may be fueling a desire to be together right now, and that those "barriers" may be masking fears of true intimacy that are present in one or both people, and that will keep the relationship from ever coming together.

 

[rosada]

I do not agree that my interpretation of 14.1.3>64 was colored by any personal bias or projection.

 

[heylise]

Agreeing with Listener. The question was "How good do we match as a loving couple, as lovers?", and 64 seems to me very simply the 'situation': not yet. So Yi answers the question in the now, you are not yet, so what is the best course of action/being in this not-yet?

Hexagram 14 has a lot to do with gifts from heaven. From possessions to talents. One is obliged to use them in a way fitting for a gift. Maybe Listener's courtly love was not far off...

LiSe