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that I am strong enough to make the changes I need to make in order to have better mental health (meditation, physical activity, diet)
I believe that the real problem is not depression, depression is just a symptom of something else. Taking antidepressants will not make any difference.
I asked the iching "what happens if I take antidepressants?"
I am conflicted about taking antidepressants, part of me thinks that I am strong enough to make the changes I need to make in order to have better mental health (meditation, physical activity, diet) and that I am making a big compromise to take pills. The other part of me feels I need help.
the first hexagram 34, Great Power, sounds promising. But the relating hexagram, the marrying maiden - well, I always interpret this as a negative hexagram, one of settling for less than one ought to....thoughts?
okay...I just asked "what happens if I don't take antidepressants?"....threw the coins got 34.3 to 54, the exact same thing...so, is this just about me taking control of my life? spooky to get the same thing two times in a row
I asked the iching "what happens if I take antidepressants?"
I am conflicted about taking antidepressants, part of me thinks that I am strong enough to make the changes I need to make in order to have better mental health (meditation, physical activity, diet) and that I am making a big compromise to take pills. The other part of me feels I need help.
the first hexagram 34, Great Power, sounds promising. But the relating hexagram, the marrying maiden - well, I always interpret this as a negative hexagram, one of settling for less than one ought to....thoughts?
okay...I just asked "what happens if I don't take antidepressants?"....threw the coins got 34.3 to 54, the exact same thing...so, is this just about me taking control of my life? spooky to get the same thing two times in a row
Well... If you are getting the same result when asking if you take them and when asking if you don't, then it doesn't seem much will change either way, does it? : )
Gmulii, it's NOT that it makes no difference, read the line.
The reason she got the same answer for "if I do take" and "If I don't take"
is because the line 34.3 itself answers both questions, "if you do take" or"if you don't take."
It answered both questions in one line. So she got the line twice.
The reading indicates you can try to power through, use all your strength, or you can try to find a balance in the middle which is a better way. So how does this relate to antidepresssants?
Well in Chinese medicine tonic herbs are considered to be a fifth food group, "superfoods."
Without tonic herbs you will not have inner balance and they believe you will become ill. And some tonic herbs are in fact anti-depressants. It's all about what your body needs for balance.
So I think you might try tonic herbs, for a middle way, a healthy balance that does not have you pushing yourself to exhaustion to fight your depression - like a goat stuck in a fence.
In Germany St. John's Wort, a natural antidepressant herb is the first thing they try before prescription meds. Not expensive, over the counter in the herbal section of the store, a 300 mg capsule 3 times a day is typical as per the labeling.
You can discuss this with your doctor, most of them know about St. John's Wort. Good luck.
Gmulii, it's NOT that it makes no difference, read the line.
The reason she got the same answer for "if I do take" and "If I don't take"
is because the line 34.3 itself answers both questions, "if you do take" or"if you don't take."
It answered both questions in one line. So she got the line twice.
- LL
It's not that uncommon to get the same answer two or three times to different questions. It can indicate all the issues have a common basis the querent needs to address. It can also mean it makes no difference what they do in regard to the question they posed, there's something else going on that affects the decision.
She's asking whether to take pills or not and you start shoving your pet health theories at her yet you have the gall to tell someone else their take on it is wrong ?
Ya'll are pretty far from the actual text.
"If I take antidepressants?" "If I don't?"
34.3 - The answer to both questions given by the Yi.
Legge: The third line, dynamic, shows, in the case of (A) an inferior man, one
(A) using all his strength; and in the case of a (B) superior man, one whose rule is (B) not to do so. Even with firm correctness the position would be perilous. The exercise of strength in it might be compared to the case of a ram butting against a fence, and getting his horns entangled.
Two questions here: 1. Is it is (A) the inferior man taking antidepressants or (B) the superior man, and 2. What is "the Middle" in this scenario the subject who could take either path is past?
The Yi says exercising all your strength when you are past the middle is perilous, you just struggle like a ram caught in a hedge. I read the middle to mean health which is balance and no excess.
Trojina, Traditional Chinese Medicine is not my " pet health theory" rather they are holistic concepts as old as the Yi. I do realize many Western people are uninformed when it comes to Traditional Chinese Medical practices like acupuncture and tonic herbs, which is why I provided a reference. The cultural context of the iChing is Chinese, and if you don't understand the context you can't read the Yi well, for example in the "5 Skills Rat" line you have to know what that means to the Chinese.
I know herbalists and acupuncturists, my martial arts teacher was a health practitioner and I've known several, I'm into this stuff. I have been studying the Yi since I was 13 years old, my youngest takes Tai Chi as a fighting Art from a noted Master. His Sifu was surprised he already had been taught so much about the Yi, they all frequent a Chinese Tea shop.
In Traditional Chinese Medicine they believe tonic herbs are simply food like rice and vegetables, a "fifth food group." And in order to meet the definition of a "Superior Herb" an herb must be long proven to do no harm, and it must improve your mood and affect your psyche positively.
All tonic herbs are mood altering - antidepressants to some degree - and they believe without them you cannot maintain a healthy balance.
And they are certainly a far better alternative than Big Pharma prescription drugs that have no centuries old track record and have many dangerous side effects.
- LL
I very rarely use the text, even more rarely use it for health questions and even more rarely use it translated by Legge. : )
I use six or seven translations of the judgment, image, lines and commentaries side by side.
I don't think you can really claim to be an intepreter of the Yi if you aren't reading anything it says.
- LL
You seem to think that studing the text of the zhouyi with the wings is the only way to study the changes. And what the text "says" is what the changes are. And that is a very sad misunderstanding .I don't think you can really claim to be an intepreter of the Yi if you aren't reading anything it says
Please explain your methadology of reading and how you are arriving at your interpetation,
and reveal what 34.3 means.
And how this applies to the two questions. Please.
If you are offering advice to people in a Yi forum, and use a nonstandard methodology, you really should explain what it is upfront.
- LL
Well... If you are getting the same result when asking if you take them and when asking if you don't, then it doesn't seem much will change either way, does it? : )
Yet on question like this its unusual to have the result not matter...
Are you asking in some way that will limit it to one changing line, or something like that(throwing 6 coins at once or something)?
Trojina, Traditional Chinese Medicine is not my " pet health theory" rather they are holistic concepts as old as the Yi. I do realize many Western people are uninformed when it comes to Traditional Chinese Medical practices like acupuncture and tonic herbs, which is why I provided a reference
Ya'll are pretty far from the actual text.
"If I take antidepressants?" "If I don't?"
But why go on about it when it's not relevant to the question asked ! The question was about whether to take antidepressant pills or not, nothing to do with TCM. The last several posts on discussion of methods etc don't even belong here but in Exploring Divination on a separate thread.
I think we should either move on or make a topic about the amazing readings, tonics and suggestions of Querent777 and continue there.
You have yet to fix misquoting me in a previous post. Could you please not put words in my mouth I did not say, and fix the misquote? They were not my words. Thank you.
And I read pretty traditionally.
- LL
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