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Over on another thread I related how my car had been stolen today saying it was funny how I'd done 25,3 on the 'I Ching on the I Ching' thread recently.

I don't understand why but for some while I have definately been having what you might call 'subliminal' thoughts or rather feelings to do with not having a car. It wasn't a worry or negative feeling, just quite a simple understanding somehow of that is how it would be.

This made no sense to me and yet these thoughts were persistent. It made no sense because having a car is a great practical asset in my life, I've always driven and could see no reason on earth why I would happily not have one.

So today the car is stolen but I swear I somehow saw it coming and I feel quite odd about it. As I related on the other thread I asked Yi about any significance for me in loss of car and oddly got 25, lines 1,2 and 6 changing to 47. I thought this meant its just one of those things that happens.

But the funny thing is I'm just not reacting to this circumstance in my usual way which would be to obtain another one as soon as possible. I really feel I should hold off but my reason can't see why, can't see the logic in that. To ascertain if this feeling has any foundation I asked Yi if I should get another car very soon. I received hexagram 29 line 1 changing to 60. I pretty much took that that theres some danger around in that line of action (no great powers of divination there, lol) I was puzzled because I am a careful driver, have driven many years and never caused an accident.

So I then asked Yi basically why its not a good idea for me to have a car at this time and received hexagram 60 line 3. Now I would interpret this as I am not taking enough precautions, not excersizing enough restraint. It puzzles me because as I said I always take care when driving, don't speed, keep alert etc etc

But to me these answers say clearly not to dash off and get a car soon. I suppose 60,3 changing to 5 may mean after waiting a while it will be okay.

Just wanted to check I'm interpreting this right ?
Yi is giving me answers that accord with my gut instinct, though the reason for it is a mystery to me.
 

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"So today the car is stolen but I swear I somehow saw it coming and I feel quite odd about it."

Answering regarding the situation rather than the reading, sounds like your "intuition" saw this coming somehow. I have this happen with some frequency, too.

Not sure how much of it is "natural" and how much is an effect (side effect? primary effect?) of using the Yi. It's definitely there.

Nothing I'd be able to "prove" scientifically (not consistent enough, or so I think). C'est la vie...

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Hi Void,

When unusual synchronistic events (synchronistic because of your premonition) such as this happen to us, most of us are inclined to seek a reason for it. But premonition doesn't necessarily mean there is an ulterior reason for it. I think your interpretation of 25-47 could be accurate: "it's just one of those things that happens."

This could explain your 60.3-5, as well: saying not to push too hard to find a reason, and to enjoy a break from having a vehicle, but not saying it is dangerous or wrong to obtain one when the time is right.

Or, if there WAS a life preserving reason that your car was stolen, who is to say that during THIS time you would have been in jeopardy behind the wheel, even though no fault of your own? Maybe somebody up there is looking after you, after all?
 
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Btw and fwiw, my 'Pithy I Ching Handbook' has this for hex. 5:

5 Wait: Content to play, gathering in pools, soon to be a river.

Maybe soon to be on wheels again?
 

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Hi there, I never heard of the 'Pithy I Ching ' handbook Bruce ? Yes I guess if there were a reason behind these events I won't know, maybe don't need to know. Whats important to me at this time for me is learning not to fight a natural flow when I perceive there is a current there. Something tells me not to be especially proactive about getting back on wheels so I won't.

Jeff intuition is strange when you 'see' the result not the way or reason why. Makes you wonder at the purpose of it. This time for me the kind of forknowledge helped a great deal. I think I was much less perturbed or annoyed than I would have been otherwise.
 
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"I think I was much less perturbed or annoyed than I would have been otherwise."

That's quite a good reason in itself.
 

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Yes it certainly is.

This evening I asked what to do about getting another vehicle, only the question was more vague in my mind than that, more attitudinal I suppose.

I got hexagram 38, line 6. Ha wow, wagons of devils - only they are not thieves at all, not devils, lol. Does this mean if the police should catch those who took the car I ask them not to press charges, lol. Still its certainly apt...I think !
 
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To me, it sounds more like shopping for a new car. Finding one honest salesman in a wagon load of devils.
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Or one worthy car in a wagon load of lemmons? Fan yao 54.6 warns of nice appearences, but without substance. Either way, based on 54, you'll be out of your element, or you may need to settle for less than you would ideally like. But hey, who here doesn't do that?
 
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are you sure your car wasnt "borrowed" as a prank and that it will be returned to you soon? 38.6 is usually about suspicions that turn out to be unfounded. 54.6...a display without real intent, looks like it was stolen, but maybe it was only borrowed. 60.3 also warns against being excessive...if the old one comes back, you might end up with two
 

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Hi there, car found today, definately taken by theives, likley a write off, not sure yet. No Micheline I don't know anyone who plays pranks like that - thank goodness.

Good thinking Bruce I didn't tie the answer up with buying a new car (crazy as thats what I asked about lol) I thought it referred to events that have happened...sometimes I'm so glad I post here for help, having such a tendency to overlook whats obvious. Still for whatever reason 38,6 might also mean the event of the theft was somehow not detrimental to me.

Thanks for your help everyone
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Hi Void:


"car found today", means you'll recover it soon? If I undertand well, sounds like "you lose material posesions.. you'll get them back in a time"

Just wondering...
 
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Greetings Void,

So glad your car situation seems to be streightening itself out. i know I wouldn't have been able to be so philosophical. Your calm attitude has been an inspiration to us all.

Just wanted to add my two cents that I don't think it is without significance that car situation all went down while the group was hovering around

25.3 Undeserved misfortune
The cow that was tethered by someone
Is the wanderer's gain , the citizen's loss.

That certainly is exactly what happened and I don't think it's just "chance". You might have noticed I myself intentionally left 25.6 blank over there, just because it did seem like such a difficult line (and lo, even that wasn't safe, i f you notice the next poster's input!) So I think we're really on to something here, something having to do with the Universe being a group thought/creation. Several times we have seen the hexagram being looked at on the internet manefesting on other threads here in the group, or as you experienced, in our own personal lives.

For myself, you may remember that a while back got a particularly clear responce to my question, "What is death?" (33.5 - 56) i did this toss while the "I Ching on the I Ching" thread was focused on hexagram 10. I hadn't really understood hexagram 10 before, but after getting that answer to my question death question I realized that I had been like the pesky small animal, daring the I Ching to answer my saucy question and, Wham, like a tiger's paw it came back at me letting me know in no uncertain terms it could answer any question I put to it without straining a muscle. So now I know hexagram 10 - for me anyway - is about not taking the Master's goodwill for granted. Point is our intention here is to learn the IChing and the teaching wont be limited to just discussion here on this board, but will start manefesting in our lives, especially as we pay attention.

One more thought, it occurs to me that this incredible blessing of having this intenet group is allowing us to consult and study the I Ching in ways never before experienced in the history of the world. I think we are creating and harnessing a power - the power of group intention - that will prove to be greater than the sum of it's parts.

Meanwhile, i think we're stuck on 27 just now, probably not the safest place to be with all those holiday treats calling to us...
 

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Hi Jesed, no I don't think I will have the car back. The thieves dumped it and police had it recovered, now the insurers will decide if it can be saved. However they already told me its very unlikley that the car will be worth repairing, as it is quite old (though was in good order)and the thieves will have wrecked the steering column, doors etc. So I expect the insurers will just offer me the current worth of the vehicle.

Rosada what you say rings very true to me. Sometimes I just don't feel what we do here is a case of separate people posting posts and talking about a 'thing'. More times than I can say if I have a question about an answer I receive or a thought bugging me, I come here and there it is before me - someone else asks that question. (BTW I have got 25 over and over since the 25 section of that thread ? ) Not to get carried away I think this a bunch of very diverse people, certainly not of one mind, thank goodness, yet occasionally we all seem to ride the same wave -

You are right this is an amazing facility. So many years I sat with my I Ching alone, trying to work things out. I kept on and on with it though no one else around me even knew what it was, I always had a kind of attraction there. It makes me shudder to think actually how many things I didn't do because I thought the Yi was telling me not to, very ready to hand my decisions over..ooh dear what folly, my greatest folly believing in daft or very specifically orientated commentaries - since I never took a scholarly approach.


For the first time ever the other day I had the cheek to talk to Yi directly as if it were another person. I felt the Yi had for some time been pointing me in a certain direction and then abruptly changed direction in its counsel - somewhat exasperated I asked Yi why it changed its mind ! Very insolent of me I thought, but I got hexagram 6, line 5, which I really felt was like it was saying 'good yes lets argue, you can question this', and I did have that somewhat eerie sense of what Jung referred to, a sense of a personage present.

Later I asked the Yi how it viewed its relationship with me,. I got hexagram 56 lines 1 and 2 and I thought this very apt. I am undeniably involved in trivial matters at times, but I have found a friend and helper in line 2.

The I Ching on the I Ching thread is certainly rather odd, it goes all over the place, having no coherence whatsoever. I guess this is because we never agreed what we were actually doing - but I think thats fine, it lumbers along like an old dragon, at its own pace, doing its own thing, which is sometimes nothing at all, lol.

Personally I have had experience of writing something and it then happening, a number of times in fact, not on that thread but in other writing. Makes you wonder about how much of our lives we actually do create ourselves...now if we create, write, direct and produce all of it, I guess we are not consulting some 'other' force in divination but our own selves - which is of course what many believe anyway. I never did think so, because to me the Yi has a persona somehow, it is a being to me, but maybe theres no contradiction in that...whooops I think I'm going a bit deep for me, lol....Anyway I don't care who would think me a superstitious fool, after my 25,3 experience I am not going near any line experiences I'd prefer not to have on that thread,
lol the unsuperstitious ones can do that.
 

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Reading back what I wrote in 25,3 on that thread is so weird, ... the day prior to the car being stolen I really did feel very free and easy with the wind in my hair, I had enjoyed a ride out to the sea in it.
 

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And more weird still 'Ventura Highway' is a song I always associated with the place I was visiting that day, as I used to play it alot when I lived there.....
 

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Void...

And you're weirding ME out... *grin*... about Ventura Highway. "Ventura Highway" is very much a part of me and has been since my teens. Ventura Blvd. (part of which is the old Ventura Highway)... and the Ventura Freeway (freeway doesn't fit as well into a song as highway does, does it?) are very much a part of my everday life. I was going to post a picture of Ventura Blvd. as seen from my daughter's tennis courts (on the roof of their parking garage)... a screenshot from google earth, but Ventura Blvd. in Studio City and Sherman Oaks is rather boring really unless you like to look at shops and(excellent) restaurants . So I decided instead to post a screenshot of Ventura Beach and the beach house I lived in as a teen with the Ventura Frwy (the 101) just to the right and above it. If you have google earth the coordinates are 34° 15' 18.84"N 119° 16' 05.15"W.

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So... while I was being reminiscient via google earth, I continued my journey to another home I loved... Front Street, Lahaina, Maui. I'm very happy to see it hasn't been built up as much as I was afraid it had. Lahaina is very popular with the tourists.


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Love,

Val
 
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I had Ventura Highway going through my head last night while responding to another of Void's threads. (alligator lizards in the air...)
 
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A few posts back Void made the comment that although it might be thought superstitious, she was going to avoid any IChing line delinating an experience she'd prefer not to have. Hey, I don't think you're being superstitious at all, Void. The key to creation is "Where attention goes, energy flows." I guess the trick is how one can recognize these tricky spots - not be in denial - but also not get stuck. Maybe that's the message with all these road map posts: Pay attention, but.. Keep moving!

Thanks for the beautiful Southern Cal pics. It's ice and snow up here in the state of Washington.
 

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Amazing pictures Val !

Rosada I'm gonna leave 28 and 29 to someone else, lol.
 

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