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"what we seek is what we find and it certainly can blow our mind", many thanks svenrus!!!!!
 

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I suppose then that the question is what does this analogy mean to us today?
 

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what analogy ?

is it really 'analogy' you mean ?
 
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If the I is the remains of a knowldge survived from a culture in an era lost long ago; I mean before what is left behind for us to recognize, and therefore mythical, one can imagine such things as DNA and cosmological, mathematical/binary, psycological, telepatic.... what do I know (?) laid into it. But origined in bronzeage culture ? There I think that the I comes closer to a system for people to navigate; psycological navigation...
Sorry, I believe in myth and are willing to believe that FuXi/Pao-hsi as well as Tahuti/Thoth/Hermes of the Egypt was somehow real, in it's most realistic sense.
 
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Hi Bradford and thank you for your comment! Could you please name authors or book titles or maybe send some links that would give deeper explanation of your answer, thank you in advance! Annamaria
 

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It's just a pointless connection. It's like reasoning this way:
Oranges can be counted, so they have a relationship with mathematics.
Quantum physics consists of mathematical expressions.
Therefore oranges are mathematically related to quantum physics.

While the Zhouyi was written long before there was a concept of Yin and Yang
it does exhibit some properties of binary systems. Others came along later,
in the Han, including Yin and Yang with the Ten Wings, but those aren't fundamental.
DNA also exhibits properties of a binary system, even stronger than of the Yi.
But this does not in any way connect the two.
 

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Thank you for your answer. I guess that" the Beauty lies in the admirare' s Eyes" and i cannot help myself imagining this light ship ( i refer here to the fighter plane depicted /made of i ching numbers ) and imagining one talking to one´s own light ship ... would not that be great?
 
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Well, the thing is that for the past year i have been doing some research regarding My communication with i ching, with help of a computer and My birthday i was receiving one i ching number for each day and i was astonished to find out that only twelve of the numbers were repeating itself more than one time and some of these 64 hexagrams were never occuring, so i started to wonder, how to activate the other numbers and if one uses the perspective of nanoscience and the similarities between the structure of My DNA corresponding to the lines of the I- ching, then it would oppen a world of possibilities not just for me but for anyone who would be interested in this, in pursuing the links between the science and spirituality and trying to find the bridge between.
 
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It's been mentioned in the past here that h57 can be analogous to our DNA, which LiSe refers to as our Seal.
 
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Well, the thing is that for the past year i have been doing some research regarding My communication with i ching, with help of a computer and My birthday i was receiving one i ching number for each day and i was astonished to find out that only twelve of the numbers were repeating itself more than one time and some of these 64 hexagrams were never occuring, so i started to wonder, how to activate the other numbers and if one uses the perspective of nanoscience and the similarities between the structure of My DNA corresponding to the lines of the I- ching, then it would oppen a world of possibilities not just for me but for anyone who would be interested in this, in pursuing the links between the science and spirituality and trying to find the bridge between.

Over a longer time period you'll notice clusters of repeating hexagrams. For example, for the last month or so, h28 might as well be my middle name concerning a potential predominant change in my life, so it's natural that this big change is being preponderated in a big way, therefore also natural that h28 is repeated more frequently than any of the other hexagrams.

If I wander far from my path during a certain period of time, it's likely that I'll receive 24, with and without lines, more frequently than the others, along with related hexagrams, such as 56, 27, 34 etc, in clusters.

If my predominating change involves a high degree of risk, h29 is likely to pop up more frequently than others, and so forth.

But over the long run, they tend to all be fairly equally distributed. At least during my lifetime it's worked this way. Of course if one is prone to more often be involved in one or a cluster of changes over the course of their life, it's likely they will receive certain clusters of hexagrams more than the others. I even think each personality leans toward their specific traits more than others, and therefore are more likely to receive certain hexagrams more than others. But even they will be visited by them all over the long run.

Also, if one remains in a one state of mind or change, as the specifics within that change progresses, so will the lines they receive. Starting from the bottom and working upward is a logical progression through a given change, just as a tree begins its growth below and grows upward and then outward.
 
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Love, peace and understanding - you are awesome sooo !!!! Thank you !!!!!!!
 

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Now, it Seems like i have hundred questions to ask, let me meditate / ponder some time and come back here and take on later on where we stopped if this is ok, with you?
 
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A hundred questions! My! We'd better notify Hilary so she can expand the bandwidth of this site soon! LOL
 

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I am already back :) , and look what I´ve found, the text below is copied from the homepage u-ching.com, which I just happened to find!!!!

Love ÷ 64 = DNA


This formula says a lot about U. Its says that what you are searching for, is to find inside yourself as a scientific fact! Although love is not considered a scientific subject, it should have been and it will be in the future. For a certain reason we started to divide love into different parts, although we kept the spectrum whole inside ourselves. Our DNA holds lots of important information, we know that, but what we did not knew is that it is completely flexible and programmable in the now. DNA is constantly changing in accord to what has been programmed by your convictions, consciously or unconsciously, so its better to have a positive set of convictions about love and who you are.

So do you program your DNA? Why not? Maybe you can join the experiment in a daily practice.

The formula “Love ÷ 64 = DNA” is also the title of a book that is in development right now. This book will explain and tell the story of U, and how U could have been discovered. This started on a specific date in the last days of history, and the whole receiving period of the code of U took 4 times 441 + 5 day. After this time in 2012 it was completely clear and the next phase of publishing and sharing started.

The story was quite overwhelming. You will take notice of this, when U crosses your path! Do you think its possible that time is related with mind? And that mind is related with DNA? If you do so, what role does mind play in these times? How can mind have influence on DNA? How does the Moon reflect this truth??
 
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I never thought of it like that. I didn't even think DNA is something we are capable of changing. I thought it is what we are born with and will die with. Now it is I who have questions, though perhaps not a hundred :). I'll do some research on this and will return. Very interesting concept you have. Thank you!
 
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Just this weekend I was listening to an interview on research of heart coherence, which differs from mere relaxation or meditation techniques, but actually conditioning our heart through our mind and our mind through our heart, hence the term heart coherence. I unfortunately had to leave the program midway through it.

Thanks again, Annamaria, for bringing this to our attention. As a heart patient, this is timely and most hopeful information.

http://www.heartmath.org/templates/...ation/2011/summer/you-can-change-your-dna.php
 

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It's just a pointless connection.

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[The I Ching] does exhibit some properties of binary systems. Others came along later
Agreed. A binary system is a fundamental concept that merely means "something and its opposite": up/down, yes/no, on/off, hot/cold, yin/yang. The fact that ancient civilizations sometimes paired things that are opposites, even in systematic ways such as the I Ching, does not mean they understood the concept of computers or DNA etc. I read the review of Compton's book at biroco.com that Svenrus linked to, and I agree with it.

Well, of course, we don't know that some of this isn't true. It might be. But at the very least, we're a LONG way from practical application and standardized, commonly available medical treatments, and in the meantime doesn't it serve mostly to make people with illnesses feel yelled at? The language in that article is horrible imo.

They say they have studies to prove these things. That's fine, but I'd love to see independent corroboration, and to have the studies vetted by qualified statisticians. We hear all the time about mainstream medical research that is badly flawed statistically, and without proper experimental design, there is little hope of trustworthy conclusions, regardless of the underlying truth. [Edited to add: My understanding is that proper experimental design is complicated and often difficult to achieve under real world constraints. That helps to explain why we get studies that contradict each other and so forth.]

For anyone who's interested in astrology as well as the I Ching, a lot of these theories sound very much like "Neptune in Scorpio oppose Hades in Taurus / Pluto in Virgo" generational ideas. That doesn't mean there's no truth in them, but it does make me wary. The 2008 economic meltdown also has a lot of Neptune in Scorpio oppose Hades in Taurus characteristics, and look what happened.
 
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Lisa,

Do you deny that your heart and mind communicate?

I think we do it all the time, for better and for worse, depending on ones own perspective and attitude. We just didn't know it or have names for it. Now that concepts gain credence through whatever legitimate research there has been, I think it at least deserves the credit of legitimate research. Everything we take for granted about our mind and body was once only research, and before that there was only a thought, an idea, a concept. Before that, it was too early for the skeptics to have something to be skeptical about, such as it was during the Dark Ages. If some would still rather think the earth is flat they need not waste their time and brain matter thinking otherwise. Thankfully there are those with vision to pursue possibilities, which have led to the very tangible progressive advances we have today, and it will only expand further as such into the future, unless we wait in mud or fail to lower our container deep enough into the well.

Those who only look behind them for answers can't see what potential lies ahead. Those who view quantum physics as nothing more than a form of mathematics may make good mathematicians, but can't envision abstract concepts that advance science and its potential uses.

To each their own.
 

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Well, of course, we don't know that some of this isn't true. It might be. But at the very least, we're a LONG way from practical application and standardized, commonly available medical treatments, and in the meantime doesn't it serve mostly to make people with illnesses feel yelled at? The language in that article is horrible imo.

They say they have studies to prove these things. That's fine, but I'd love to see independent corroboration, and to have the studies vetted by qualified statisticians. We hear all the time about mainstream medical research that is badly flawed statistically, and without proper experimental design, there is little hope of trustworthy conclusions, regardless of the underlying truth. [Edited to add: My understanding is that proper experimental design is complicated and often difficult to achieve under real world constraints. That helps to explain why we get studies that contradict each other and so forth.]

this is true and many have written about results and data manipulations. What you say is correct and real problem. Peer pressure- publication pressure has some serious side effects. its an industry, unfortunately with the pros and cons.

Also is true that theories and ideas that were at least scorned return and some of them take the credit they deserve or become the basis for further investigation. what i personally find encouraging is a shift that has become apparent lately , to look back , even at ancient wisdom and see how it apply's and whether is religious beliefs and stories or something more. Dalai Lama's initiative to connect science with religion has been received in various fashions. From positive to conspiracy theory's .I like what he is doing and unfortunately I can't have an opinion whether the findings are in the right or wrong direction.

The DNA matter belongs to a broader set of problems/debate the one of Nature/Nurture. There is the potential and the manifestation of it. Bruce Lipton, among others presents a case/hypothesis. prominent researcher look again at the primitive practices as shamanism... Seems like science re-invent itself. There are some media that in order to make an appealing article don't present exactly the cases. A paper that mentions some indications of something might occur can be seen as " the new Truth".. and that imo creates a weird anti-scientist climate. Its a loss-loss situation, at least to me.

it seems , we humans , can't deal with uncertainty or having no opinion...
 

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I think it at least deserves the credit of legitimate research.

Absolutely it does. That article [edited: I mean the naturalnews.com one] doesn't sound like legitimate research, though.

I completely agree that many, many commonplace things were once seen as fantasy or superstition, and the same will be true in the future as well. I tried to acknowledge that in my earlier post, but obviously I drowned that part out. I think the mind-body connection is real, but we're so early in it that it's simply not useful yet in practical ways to most people.

I'd never heard of heart coherence, or altering DNA through magnetic fields, before reading this post, so I know absolutely nothing about them. But - there's nothing at all to be lost in trying them. They could help! And the half-dozen sentences I read gave no impression that they could do any harm.

The objections I have to this general sort of thing, though, are these:

  • Desperate people fall prey all the time to false promises that do harm them, either because the treatments themselves are harmful, or it bankrupts them to line the pockets of scammers. (I realize that some outcomes of the mainstream medical system can look the same, but I still don't see it as the same thing.)
  • Even if the treatments are inexpensive and innocuous (as these seem to be, again without me knowing anything about them), they are raising people's hopes. The only good endings are (a) if it works, or (b) if it doesn't work, but the person is able to accept the failure in stride. Again, that's true in mainstream medicine as well, but the critical difference is:
  • A significant amount of the language used in the spiritual-medical arena is accusatory and critical. The naturalnews.com article is a good example. "Curbing the genetic victim mentality" and "Changing DNA through intention" (to quote a couple headlines) imply that if these things don't work for someone, it's because they didn't believe enough, they didn't have the right intention, they'd rather be victims, they didn't do it correctly, they brought it all on themselves in the first place through poor attitudes or the "wrong thoughts," etc. etc. I think those are terrible things to say to sick people, even if, in some ultimate way, they're true (and we don't actually know that (yet)).
The jist of the last section...annoys me. A good diet and environment are important. No one disputes that. And since a million different things we eat or are exposed to allegedly cause cancer etc., I'm perfectly willing to believe that some of them actually do. But nutrition is not going to cure very many already-existing diseases, as some would have us believe, and I also don't think that a mythical "perfect diet" or living in a mythical "perfect environment" is going to prevent every(ish) disease. I mean, that would imply (at the exteme) that if we had those things, we'd all be immortal. Maybe SOMEDAY? But not anytime soon - so now I'm pointing to my list again.

I know I'm ranting. But some aspects of this seem not-okay to me, and I've tried to explain why.
 

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I completely agree that many, many commonplace things were once seen as fantasy or superstition, and the same will be true in the future as well. I tried to acknowledge that in my earlier post, but obviously I drowned that part out. I think the mind-body connection is real, but we're so early in it that it's simply not useful yet in practical ways to most people.

If i have understand it correct , in UK schools mindfulness has enter . a friend of mine follows a program to enter in education and participate in that program as a instructor.

in PTSD, the body-mind connection is valued a lot and seems it has really practical use. Those involved state clear they can't be sure but they try to understand. We don't know basic things about our mind - we don't know yet details about the gray matter and there are indications that the 'inferior' white matter plays a more significant role than it was believed so far. Fascinating stuff !
 
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in PTSD, the body-mind connection is valued a lot and seems it has really practical use. Those involved state clear they can't be sure but they try to understand. We don't know basic things about our mind - we don't know yet details about the gray matter and there are indications that the 'inferior' white matter plays a more significant role than it was believed so far. Fascinating stuff !

I am witnessing first hand what you've written here. It's a hard road for seriously ill PTSD patients. I especially feel for deeply scarred war veterans who have done and seen horrific acts of violence, all in the cause of what they believed to be honor and service for God and country. I'm not judging if those were actually honorable acts or not, I only witness the traumatic after effects. But I'm also witnessing, through these kinds of progressive psychotherapy a rebuilding of values, admissions of guilt, which were prior only rationalized away, or so they thought... if only it were that easy. I'm greatly encouraged by what I'm witnessing, though also absorb a degree of transference of the disturbance, which wants to draw me back to the isolation I've sought during my own earlier dissonance and personal traumas. I, frankly, don't know how the professionals personally deal with it, how they can assist through the kind therapy being discussed here and not absorb the transference from dealing with it on a daily basis. But I can say, first hand, these articles and concepts are real and they are effective. What they are not is easy, for the PTSD patient nor for those who choose to live and work with them on a daily basis. It is exhausting and sometimes very disturbing. But there's no doubt in me that it's effective for the patient, for heart and mind to transform that dissonance into what is now being called heart coherence, as written about in these articles.

Two such war veterans I know (sometimes too well and frequently for my own good) have created a foundation, training remarkably intelligent German Shepherds as service dogs for these traumatized veterans specifically, while they themselves are suffering deeply from the very war traumas they are working to help their fellow combatants, to help through their work as expert dog trainers and handlers. I also am noticing a tremendous difference in the degree of improvement between the one who is receiving this very type of counseling and therapy and the one who has not. I'm convinced of its effectiveness in real world scenarios. That's why Annamaria's comments and the articles she had linked to, have resonated with me deeply.

I always find joy when those who come to this forum with limited knowledge and experience with the IC bring heretofore new and relevant ideas related to the ancient wisdom of the I Ching, rather than dissing and so readily dismissing them and what they offer, to staunchly traditional systems and beliefs as being merely 'new agey' irrelevancies.
 

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Thank you sooo it really warms My heart to hear that , well the only reason why i started this thread was to find sth that bridges different perspectives, Ways ... Sth that connects instead of dividing and if you use the i-ching vocabulary the meridianer, or what others call axis mundi... Well you know what i mean, i am greatful to you, and to all the i ching community and especially Hilary for starting this HomePage, and for giving me , and i am sure more people to come, this opportunity to exchange thoughts and feelings, Thank you! I really appreciate that!
 

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