Asking about weight loss: 48.1 and 52uc

[VirgoPisces]

Hi everyone,

This is my first post in shared readings, but as a long time lurker I want to thank you for all the times I’ve ventured into this forum looking to get a deeper understanding of a reading and then actually gaining one. This time though I am absolutely stumped.


Here’s the background: I’m very over weight. The reasons for this are several - genetics is one, mental issues being another - and I’ve lost and gained weight so many times in my life both by successfully dieting and by doing self destructive things. Sometimes it’s been both at the same time.

This past year or so I’ve received very competent help for these aforementioned mental health issues, which in theory should make healthy living much easier. At the very least it’s provided me with a much less poisonous mind set when viewing myself and my life: I have less anxiety, less self hatred in general, and I don’t stress as much. The consequence of this - if you can really call it that though I guess I do - is that less self hate and less stress means I eat more just by not engaging in harmful behaviors. So I’ve gone from being a few sizes larger to being what am I now, and I don’t feel comfortable. My clothes don’t fit anymore, I don’t like to look myself in the mirror and I just feel like I need to change. But this time in a good, healthy way.


Now to my questions: I was eyeing this weight loss plan that I truly believe is very healthy. The only time in my life I ever lost weight in a manner that didn’t make me feel like shit mentally or physically was by following this method, and there’s this great page and app that I’ve been considering subscribing to in order to really tackle this. The last time I went on this diet I didn’t have the app or the recipes or the general support, but now I really feel like it would be of huge help. I can absolutely afford it, so I don’t really see an obvious reason not to.

So I asked:

“what about doing this right now? Signing up?” which gave me a reading of 48.1 = 5

Which confused me. So then I asked:

“What’s the advice on losing this weight?“ 52uc


To me, this is such a bizarre answer, especially when seen together. 48.1=5 I can maybe sort of understand, if one would consider the muddy water at the bottom of the well as something that needs to be cleared out first, as in “you’ve already tried this” and that it somehow would be a bad thing to do this time around. But I have no idea why it would be bad as it’s a healthy, popular method that I know worked very well for me before. I lose weight eating stuff I actually like. I have only positive things to say about it so why wouldn’t be good this time?

The second response though is where I really went “??” like what in the actual… because stilling myself can’t possibly be a good response for a sedentary, over weight person looking to make healthier choices. Literally or figuratively.

52 uc I’ve received before when I’m kind of frantic and sure this is something I distinctly dislike about myself and my life right now but I don’t feel like I’m lying sleepless over it or hyper fixating on this in any way. So what is Yi trying to tell me? All of your takes a welcome. Thank you!

 

[Henry Zahir]

"So I asked:

“what about doing this right now? Signing up?” which gave me a reading of 48.1 = 5"

No, you wont. These ideas have no value anymore. you doný beieve in them.

Which confused me. So then I asked:

“What’s the advice on losing this weight?“ 52uc

Stillstand is keeping you from loosing weight. The advice is too add movement to your life and surpress any initial pride from doing what you need to do.

 

[rosada]

Or how about reading 5 as Waiting to eat?
Perhaps 52. is a recommendation to try the intermittent fasting technique. Eat what you want between 8a.m. and 4p.m. Then only water until the next day.

 

[VirgoPisces]

"So I asked:

“what about doing this right now? Signing up?” which gave me a reading of 48.1 = 5"

No, you wont. These ideas have no value anymore. you doný beieve in them.

Which confused me. So then I asked:

“What’s the advice on losing this weight?“ 52uc

Stillstand is keeping you from loosing weight. The advice is too add movement to your life and surpress any initial pride from doing what you need to do.

Hi! Thank you so much for taking your time to respond, I really appreciate it However I’m not 100% sure this resonates - I do believe in it, a lot, and I definitely believe in it more than anything else, medications or surgery or what have you… And I am unfamiliar with the idea that 52 without moving lines would be a clear indication that I need to move more; wouldn’t 51 uc for example be more appropriate for that?

There is no pride involved in this at all, I feel like I am open to any solutions as long as they’re healthy and don’t engage my destructive proclivities. I am displeased with my weight and appearance, not ashamed. Working out is of course something I’d have to do anyway, but the way I eat will have an even bigger impact on my weight. No use moving if my habits don’t change.

 

[VirgoPisces]

Or how about reading 5 as Waiting to eat?
Perhaps 52. is a recommendation to try the intermittent fasting technique. Eat what you want between 8a.m. and 4p.m. Then only water until the next day.

Wow a reply from Rosada thank you!

I have fasted a lot in my life and unfortunately that has often turned into starvation. I realize that it doesn’t mean that your suggestion is a bad idea or that it isn’t the advice Yi is giving, but perhaps that’s the reason I haven’t considered it. A part of my therapy has been to re-learn my habits, and to eat regular meals without too much time between them. However I’ll consider this as I know that it in general is recommended maybe it wouldn’t be a bad thing just cause it once was.

 

[rosada]

Yeah, intermittent fasting isn’t about starving yourself or even cutting down on calories. It’s about timing. It seems the body doesn’t go into weight loss mode while it’s in digestion mode so it’s important to give it a chance to shift gears. Or something like that. There are youtube videos that explain it. It may a couple of days to get into the routine but you should see results right away.

 

[Henry Zahir]

Hi! Thank you so much for taking your time to respond, I really appreciate it However I’m not 100% sure this resonates - I do believe in it, a lot, and I definitely believe in it more than anything else, medications or surgery or what have you… And I am unfamiliar with the idea that 52 without moving lines would be a clear indication that I need to move more; wouldn’t 51 uc for example be more appropriate for that?

There is no pride involved in this at all, I feel like I am open to any solutions as long as they’re healthy and don’t engage my destructive proclivities. I am displeased with my weight and appearance, not ashamed. Working out is of course something I’d have to do anyway, but the way I eat will have an even bigger impact on my weight. No use moving if my habits don’t change.

You need to the bottom of this. The reason you have gain weigt is to be seen, to be recognized. Its not happening and you try to think of old ideas that work in the future but are useless now (48.1). Also, when a hexagram is stagnant is talks about potential. The potential is to get stuck in a routine you cant get out. So, move, hike, express your true self, no matter if people lke it right now, but learn how to become less proud and more flexible. By the way, intermitting fasting is the same as not eating for a while. It has no impact. Express yur deepest wishes and fullfill them and you will lose weight like playing.

 

[rosada]

”intermitting fasting is the same as not eating for awhile. It has no impact”? Hunh? Are you saying intermittent fasting doesn’t facilitate weight loss? Have you tried it? I have and I’ve gotten excellent results.

 

[Henry Zahir]

”intermitting fasting is the same as not eating for awhile. It has no impact”? Hunh? Are you saying intermittent fasting doesn’t facilitate weight loss? Have you tried it? I have and I’ve gotten excellent results.

Weight loss? This is 2024. We don`t want to lose weight. We want to be seen. The strategy of getting "bigger" to be seen is obsolete,it does not work anymore. We need to get smarter to be heard. After we have been heard, weight is secondary. The then fun begins. Or your life doesn`t end in a heartattack. Both win win.

 

[Trojina]

, but learn how to become less proud and more flexible.

Where are you getting this idea from because it's not in the readings and it's not in anything the querent has said ? She just wants to lose weight. That has nothing at all to do with proud and inflexible.

Weight loss? This is 2024. We don`t want to lose weight. We want to be seen. The strategy of getting "bigger" to be seen is obsolete,it does not work anymore. We need to get smarter to be heard. After we have been heard, weight is secondary. The then fun begins. Or your life doesn`t end in a heartattack. Both win win.

I don't understand this paragraph...at all. There is no 'we' this is a particular person talking about their plans to lose weight not to get bigger. What does any of it have to do with needing to be 'smarter to be heard' ?

 

[Henry Zahir]

Where are you getting this idea from because it's not in the readings and it's not in anything the querent has said ? She just wants to lose weight. That has nothing at all to do with proud and inflexible.


I don't understand this paragraph...at all. There is no 'we' this is a particular person talking about their plans to lose weight not to get bigger. What does any of it have to do with needing to be 'smarter to be heard' ?

Its because the world has changed. thats all. Don`t blame me. I didn`t transformed into a shallow place. People like it like that, I think it reminds them of better thiings than death sickness, misery and loneliness. If you are smart you will be heard in this blue see, you will be a red point and that can be scary. By the way these are direct messages to the querent, maybe boundaries should be clear when it comes to interpretations and interventions in them, she asked publicly, and maybe you need to adress her more than me. Just a thought.

 

[Trojina]

Its because the world has changed. thats all. Don`t blame me. I didn`t transformed into a shallow place. People like it like that, I think it reminds them of better thiings than death sickness, misery and loneliness. If you are smart you will be heard in this blue see, you will be a red point and that can be scary. By the way these are direct messages to the querent, maybe boundaries should be clear when it comes to interpretations and interventions in them, she asked publicly, and maybe you need to adress her more than me. Just a thought.

Well generally yes, I'd address her but I'm asking you because your posts here aren't making a great deal of sense in relation to the question asked. It's not about generalisations about the world being shallow but a clear sensible plan/question about weight loss for an individual.

 

[Trojina]

Hi everyone,

This is my first post in shared readings, but as a long time lurker I want to thank you for all the times I’ve ventured into this forum looking to get a deeper understanding of a reading and then actually gaining one. This time though I am absolutely stumped.


Here’s the background: I’m very over weight. The reasons for this are several - genetics is one, mental issues being another - and I’ve lost and gained weight so many times in my life both by successfully dieting and by doing self destructive things. Sometimes it’s been both at the same time.

This past year or so I’ve received very competent help for these aforementioned mental health issues, which in theory should make healthy living much easier. At the very least it’s provided me with a much less poisonous mind set when viewing myself and my life: I have less anxiety, less self hatred in general, and I don’t stress as much. The consequence of this - if you can really call it that though I guess I do - is that less self hate and less stress means I eat more just by not engaging in harmful behaviors. So I’ve gone from being a few sizes larger to being what am I now, and I don’t feel comfortable. My clothes don’t fit anymore, I don’t like to look myself in the mirror and I just feel like I need to change. But this time in a good, healthy way.


Now to my questions: I was eyeing this weight loss plan that I truly believe is very healthy. The only time in my life I ever lost weight in a manner that didn’t make me feel like shit mentally or physically was by following this method, and there’s this great page and app that I’ve been considering subscribing to in order to really tackle this. The last time I went on this diet I didn’t have the app or the recipes or the general support, but now I really feel like it would be of huge help. I can absolutely afford it, so I don’t really see an obvious reason not to.

So I asked:

“what about doing this right now? Signing up?” which gave me a reading of 48.1 = 5

Which confused me. So then I asked:

“What’s the advice on losing this weight?“ 52uc


To me, this is such a bizarre answer, especially when seen together. 48.1=5 I can maybe sort of understand, if one would consider the muddy water at the bottom of the well as something that needs to be cleared out first, as in “you’ve already tried this” and that it somehow would be a bad thing to do this time around. But I have no idea why it would be bad as it’s a healthy, popular method that I know worked very well for me before. I lose weight eating stuff I actually like. I have only positive things to say about it so why wouldn’t be good this time?

The second response though is where I really went “??” like what in the actual… because stilling myself can’t possibly be a good response for a sedentary, over weight person looking to make healthier choices. Literally or figuratively.

52 uc I’ve received before when I’m kind of frantic and sure this is something I distinctly dislike about myself and my life right now but I don’t feel like I’m lying sleepless over it or hyper fixating on this in any way. So what is Yi trying to tell me? All of your takes a welcome. Thank you!

These are baffling answers but I'd take them as about the particular diet or app or paid program rather than the overall wish to lose weight.

I think Yi is suggesting you press the pause button on this plan. You asked about signing up 'right now' and that doesn't appear to be a good idea. Perhaps there's something about all this you haven't seen as yet? 52 isn't asking you to rush into action at all. I don't know why that would be. Do you maybe have specific needs at this point in time this diet wouldn't meet? Or are there medications you are on whereby too much emphasis on weight loss could impact negatively on you?

In your shoes with these readings I'd just hold off a while and have a think.

BTW 48.1 speaks of no animals coming to the Well....so if this is a no meat diet that would be a very literal answer...and there Yi might be pointing out no meat etc is not good. That's just an idea.


'The well is muddy, no drinking.
Old well, no birds.'

Ah, in Hilary's translation it says birds.

 

[VirgoPisces]

Henry: as I said I really do appreciate your responses. But I’m not certain how to apply your advice as it doesn’t seem to focus a lot on my actual question but rather seems to me more about your musings, some of which I don’t really think applies to me if you had known the whole story. Which is fine though! Just not what I’m after but I’m still very grateful, at the very least you stimulated some conversation!

 

[VirgoPisces]

These are baffling answers but I'd take them as about the particular diet or app or paid program rather than the overall wish to lose weight.

I think Yi is suggesting you press the pause button on this plan. You asked about signing up 'right now' and that doesn't appear to be a good idea. Perhaps there's something about all this you haven't seen as yet? 52 isn't asking you to rush into action at all. I don't know why that would be. Do you maybe have specific needs at this point in time this diet wouldn't meet? Or are there medications you are on whereby too much emphasis on weight loss could impact negatively on you?

In your shoes with these readings I'd just hold off a while and have a think.

BTW 48.1 speaks of no animals coming to the Well....so if this is a no meat diet that would be a very literal answer...and there Yi might be pointing out no meat etc is not good. That's just an idea.


'The well is muddy, no drinking.
Old well, no birds.'

Ah, in Hilary's translation it says birds.

Trojina this might be silly but it’s such an honor to have you reply on my post Even if it didn’t make much more sense to you than it did to me lol.

But you ask very important and relevant questions that actually might’ve maybe shaken something loose in me. There’s no medical need, but I am in contact with a dietician. Now, there’s a reason I didn’t mention this - we have only spoken once, and I don’t really think that the dietician will be able to do much for me. We will only talk on the phone at most two times a month, there are no physical meetings and I’m not given much more than well meaning advice. There’s no diet plan, no meal suggestions just like “try not to eat x and y” like yeah no duh.. I need so much more than that if I am to do this the right way.

I wouldn’t have thought that my view of this issue would be limited, but maybe for some reason Yi advices to slow down because of things that are already underway? It feels dumb to say because I truly don’t know how that could be. I was considering this other option because I thought that so much is being left up to me anyway so why not make a decision that might be successful with or without the dietician? Like, I ask myself, how am I supposed to be successful with such little support?

It doesn’t feel very likely and I don’t really understand it still. But that’s the only thing I can think of..

 

[Herny Zahir]

So, how did this idea go?

 

[VirgoPisces]

So, how did this idea go?

Hi! Thank you so much for asking and apologies to anyone who was expecting an update sooner but the situation kind of needed a bit more time. The answers make sense to me in hindsight, as did some things you said Herny. I’d also like to provide a trigger warning as I will be discussing my mental health issues and problems with food.

Long reply with alot more context incoming. First, I’d like to quote Trojina:

I think Yi is suggesting you press the pause button on this plan. You asked about signing up 'right now' and that doesn't appear to be a good idea. Perhaps there's something about all this you haven't seen as yet? 52 isn't asking you to rush into action at all. I don't know why that would be. Do you maybe have specific needs at this point in time this diet wouldn't meet? Or are there medications you are on whereby too much emphasis on weight loss could impact negatively on you?

In one of my replies I mentioned surgery, that it never was an option I considered. The reason for that was that I was working under old assumptions, and - frankly- some kind of misplaced, outdated sense of pride, thinking surgery was the lazy option.

Now: one thing I avoided mentioning in my first post is the fact that I’ve had an eating disorder since I was 8 years old. I’m 33 now, so it’s been basically a life time of abusing my body and myself. The eating disorder didn’t come about because of any complex I had surrounding my looks: I don’t equate being over weight with being ugly or undesirable because honestly I’ve always had a very healthy love and social life. So that was not the root cause for my eating disorder at all. Rather, it’s how I coped with stress: while under intense scrutiny and pressure my appetite disappears and so I starved myself both unintentionally but also kind of intentionally, and then when it was time to eat I had so much anxiety over what to eat since I was already a little over weight, while also literally starving.

My choices then were either to eat food, but then be tormented by the sense of being full which almost always ended with me throwing it all up (I mentally equated being full with being slow moving and lazy). The other choice was to not eat food, but rather eat sweets instead. The logic is difficult to explain, but candy and sweet sodas made me feel full faster than food did, while I still had the sense that I was eating much less - problem was my calorie intake was consistently higher, even though I barely ate actual food.

This got worse and worse as my career took off - again, this was how I coped with stress, pressure and anxiety - so at the beginning of 2022 I sought professional help. The very first task was to completely rearrange my feelings around normal food items and understand that I’m supposed to eat food. Food is a good thing! The second task was to eat food regularly, without skipping any meals and most importantly without throwing any of it up no matter my anxiety level. This taught me how to cope with my emotions in healthy ways, but eating ”normally” came at the expense of my weight, as I needed to rethink my relationship with all kinds of foods. So I ate and tried everything, changing how I saw everything from bread, to yoghurt, to fries, pizza and apples. Problem is genetically so to speak there are ”normal” food items that easily make me gain weight, but while reformatting my brain this way I couldn’t also be on a diet you know? The fact that I had an eating disorder was the entire point. And so it was that I gained 20kg in 1 year.


So. That is where I was when I asked these questions. What happened after these readings was that I sat with it for a bit. I was definitely in a healthy mindset, determined to find a way to use the tools and perspectives I’ve gained while going to therapy 1-2 times a week for 2 years.

48.1 was telling me that whatever I’ve already tried won’t cut it, and 52 was telling me to slow down. And when I did, I instead opened my mind up and started to look for whatever it was I was missing. Suddenly I just thought to ask myself: why exactly is surgery a bad option? When I looked closely at the thought, I slowly started to realize that I had this rude prejudice, that weight loss surgery was for people who didn’t want to do the work. I also realized that what I was looking for was a weight loss tool or method or anything that could help me tackle the rest of my life with this disorder, holistically - that what I needed to feel truly safe was the support of doctors, nutritionists, and mental health professionals at the same time. This was essentially my problem with the dietician, that it wasn’t enough for someone with a very deeply set eating disorder and that I would never be able to do this alone. It dawned on me that if I had a gastric sleeve it would mean that my slate would be as clean as it probably could ever be since I’d be eating much less but also losing weight in a very controlled way since I would be fully supported for 18 months by professionals. It would give me the opportunity to create a completely different life, built on the foundation of my new perspectives and priorities, with healthy mindsets and habits.

And so, ultimately what I think I was being guided to was the understanding that I needed a solution that forced me to commit to prioritizing my physical and mental health at the same time, while also providing me with a lot of support. I believe that before casting these questions I wasn’t really clear on what I actually needed, nor had I fully considered all the options.

So I did it! I had a gastric sleeve in May, and I’m happy to say that it has turned out better than I could’ve imagined. When I was starting to feel like I might do it I asked Yi about the surgery and it gave me 50.6 - so I felt certain that this was the right thing for me and it has truly felt like ”great, good fortune”. Today I truly live holistically: I’ve formed great habits and now I feel like everything is in order… My anxieties and destructive behaviors are under control and don’t have power over me, and my body is being repaired since I eat good, super healthy foods and don’t replace meals with sweets. The surgery itself forces me to eat several times a day which I never did before but now without the anxiety it’s easy not to starve myself or eat too much. I’m down 40kg, about 20 to go.

Thank you so much for reading and for all of your replies I’m so so grateful for the assistance.